[Burnaby] Southgate City | Phase 1 Completed

[vanman]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

The answer is Burnaby would rather allow 40 storeys a 15 minute walk away from a Skytrain station on industrial land than allow 6 storeys right next to one on SFH land. Obviously.

Edmonds is littered with 4-6 story lowrises and countless rowhomes. Have any of you actually walked around the neighbourhood?

[madog222]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

You only need to assemble 2 or 3 lots in many areas in Burnaby with bigger lot sizes adjacent to Skytrain. Think Burquitlam, Lake City Way, Production. I don't think Burnaby was concerned about developers' ability to assemble land when it came to their 'Grand Bargain' strategy.

It would take over 300 SFT lots to equal the area of this site, a land assembly of that scale is never going to happen.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by vanman

Edmonds is littered with 4-6 story lowrises and countless rowhomes. Have any of you actually walked around the neighbourhood?

Used to be a forest.

Originally Posted by vanman

Used to be industrial land

Originally Posted by vanman

Used to be forest (90% sure)

Originally Posted by vanman

The only one that used to be single family housing

Originally Posted by vanman

Used to be older apartments for the poors


Again, kind of proving my point. I said 'on SFH land'. Burnaby likes to target forested land, industrial land, or land where poor people live for redevelopment. Older affordable apartments in Metrotown? Fair game. Forest around Edmonds? Perfect. Single family housing across next to Brentwood Mall? To Burnaby that's what should be illegal. That's why the land around Production Way, Lake City, and Burquitlam are still single family housing. That's the Grand Bargain. I don't know what kind of denial you are in about it.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by madog222

It would take over 300 SFT lots to equal the area of this site, a land assembly of that scale is never going to happen.

You wouldn't need to. You'd just have a lot of separate projects that would amount of the same number of units in more appropriate (closer to Skytrain) areas.

[A320]

Burnaby eliminates affordable rental requirement in Southeast burnaby, except for Southgate city: https://www.burnabynow.com/local-new...urhood-9659228

Interesting to see that they have singled out this one project. Is that fair? I wonder if LedMac will speak out/consider legal action.

[jasonpark]

Originally Posted by A320

Burnaby eliminates affordable rental requirement in Southeast burnaby, except for Southgate city: https://www.burnabynow.com/local-new...urhood-9659228

Interesting to see that they have singled out this one project. Is that fair? I wonder if LedMac will speak out/consider legal action.

Was ledmac the one that was lobbying this to happen considering they are building the largest project in the area? Or could it be other developers?

It seems like they were pretty committed to building the low income rentals. I know they built a seniors home next to cedar creek and the preschool. And then they built another one called cedar place for bc housing in the southgate development already.

[jasonpark]

It looks like the park will complete some time in the next ten years:

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings....cumentId=78627

[giallo]

Last night, my nephew was playing hockey at the new rinks (nice spot), and I snapped this on my phone. Is the construction of this tower on hold for now?

[jollyburger]

Considering they were close to the roof level four months ago it does look "behind"

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[Lexus]

Crane and external men elevator are both gone. Those are good signs. From exterior perspective - looks nearly completed.

[jollyburger]

The second phase is then proposed to include a 45-storey tower (G3) with 415 strata units and a six-storey building (G4) with 70 non-market rental units again provided at rates that are 20% below CMHC medians. At this time, a site-specific development application for Phase Two has not been submitted, according to the City, so the unit count and suite mix are not finalized.

City staff note that Phase Two will also include "an optional commercial opportunity, that may be pursued or converted to a residential amenity at the time of a future site-specific development application (PPA or DP)." They also say that the timing of Phase Two "may be impacted by market conditions" and that the Phase Two site will be permitted for use as a temporary sales centre until the redevelopment is ready to commence.

When that time comes, LedMac "may choose to refine the design of the proposal insofar that it continues to meet the Southgate Master Plan and that refinements do not result in an increase in the proposed maximum building height or the maximum density identified for the Phase 2 site within the plan of development."

https://storeys.com/ledingham-mcalli...phase-one-two/

[madog222]

Originally Posted by madog222

Next phase is Courtyard 1-4, towers are 36 and 44 stories.


Image from City of Burnaby

Up for final adoption at next week's council meeting.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

The answer is Burnaby would rather allow 40 storeys a 15 minute walk away from a Skytrain station on industrial land than allow 6 storeys right next to one on SFH land. Obviously.

Lol. A bunch of nonsense. Lots of Burnaby haters out there triggered by the City's sound development I see. Fact is, where can you find skytrain stations beside SFH neighbourhoods in Burnaby? You must be mistaking Vancouver for Burnaby.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Lol. A bunch of nonsense. Lots of Burnaby haters out there triggered by the City's sound development I see. Fact is, where can you find skytrain stations beside SFH neighbourhoods in Burnaby? You must be mistaking Vancouver for Burnaby.

It's a wee bit trcky because most skytrain stations are in industrial / former industrial areas but:
- Holdom
- Sperling (1 block north)
- Lake City Way (maybe)
- Production Way
- Royal oak

[mcj]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

It's a wee bit trcky because most skytrain stations are in industrial / former industrial areas but:
- Holdom
- Sperling (1 block north)
- Lake City Way (maybe)
- Production Way
- Royal oak

Lake City Way absolutely counts, Michael Buble's mansion is like 400 metres from the station and there's no density to speak about (no wonder it's consistently the least busy station on the network).

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by mcj

Lake City Way absolutely counts, Michael Buble's mansion is like 400 metres from the station and there's no density to speak about (no wonder it's consistently the least busy station on the network).

Station use can be improved a bit after humongous film studios are completed.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

It's a wee bit trcky because most skytrain stations are in industrial / former industrial areas but:
- Holdom
- Sperling (1 block north)
- Lake City Way (maybe)
- Production Way
- Royal oak

the first thing you see leaving Royal Oak station is a SFH. There has been a station there for 40 years..... crazy

[officedweller]

Remember that Burnaby's development was focused on the 4 Town Centres,
and not the intervening SkyTran Stations (of which there are only a few within Burnaby) or elsewhere, a
and yes, that was to preserve the single family housing.

It's only recently that the densification has expanded to other stations outside the Town Centres,
such as Sperling and Royal Oak.

Lake City and Production Way areas were supposed to stay light industrial.

[Klazu]

I have really liked Burnaby's town centre model and am sad to see us move away from that.

One could also take Royal Oak off that list. Sure, there are no towers right next to the station, but few blocks over is building up like crazy. Holdom is also going to be very busy very soon with all the massive development to the south and also Sperling will eventually get its new village. Production Way is important station because of surrounding jobs, connection to SFU and Costco. Lake City is perhaps the only sleepy station that will remain.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I have really liked Burnaby's town centre model and am sad to see us move away from that.

One could also take Royal Oak off that list. Sure, there are no towers right next to the station, but few blocks over is building up like crazy. Holdom is also going to be very busy very soon with all the massive development to the south and also Sperling will eventually get its new village. Production Way is important station because of surrounding jobs, connection to SFU and Costco. Lake City is perhaps the only sleepy station that will remain.

It's worth noting that BCGEU's dual towers development proposal for Palm Ave. right next door to the Royal Oak station (....and which caused a bit of controversy and a stir with two 20-something storey towers being proposed outside the Metrotown downtown "core" in the 6-8 storey Royal Oak "village" area - with NIMBY's all over the proposal to try to get it rejected - before it got approved thanks to all the goodies it came with (daycare, full rental, close to transit....), seems to be gearing up to start excavation within the next couple of weeks (if they haven't already begun).

The site sat idle for quite a while after they completed site clearing and prep, and it's great to see this one finally get off the ground.