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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 5:39 AM
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i have no problem with recreating historical buildings, but that is because i like those architectural styles. i really dont care that much about the history behinf some downtown office building, but i think it adds to our city, so if we recreated some, who cares! we dont have that much historical architecture. dont get me wrong, i like the mix of modern and old, i enjoy contemorary architecture, but i would much rather an art deco sky scraper to, lets say, the radissonand that tower beside it, but i dont really like buildings that mimic there suroundings but dont actually copy them, like so many of one of my least favorite styles...POST MODERN.
     
     
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[QUOTE=swilley;3196387]I was just driving down Spadina, and I thought I saw a tower crane across the river up at Innovation Place? Can anyone confirm this? It looked pretty short...QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong but it is for the expansion of the VIDO / InterVAC site.
     
     
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Anyone read the editorial in the SP this am? It looks like the editorial board have been taking their enlightenment pills For the first time ever I think, I agree wholeheartedly with everything they say. I don't know how to paste it here, so I will have to direct you to the paper, but the gist is that the city should stop following the path toward sprawl, which has led Calgary and Edmonton to their current infrastructure and transit crises, and instead focus on filling in and densifying the core. Essentially, they are arguing that projects such as moving the city yards to allow downtown development and other incentives for infill and density, should take priority over suburban infrastructure. BTW, I think this would also lead to more and higher development downtown, which I think most on this forum support. I hope the council is listening. I intend to forward this to my councillor (it is so much easier when someone else writes it all down for you).
     
     
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BTW, thanks for the website link circle, I was hoping for more of a development page from them, not just a list of all their rental slums... Maybe I'll have to contact them via snail mail....

No Problem. I believe Remai's condo developments go under the P.R. Developments banner. Can't find much of a web presence for that branch of the cartel. There used to be a website when they were flogging the Fremai tower units, but that's long since been taken down.
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i have no problem with recreating historical buildings, but that is because i like those architectural styles. i really dont care that much about the history behinf some downtown office building, but i think it adds to our city, so if we recreated some, who cares! we dont have that much historical architecture. dont get me wrong, i like the mix of modern and old, i enjoy contemorary architecture, but i would much rather an art deco sky scraper to, lets say, the radissonand that tower beside it, but i dont really like buildings that mimic there suroundings but dont actually copy them, like so many of one of my least favorite styles...POST MODERN.

The point is that if you rely on copying existing styles too slavishly, you end up with Disneyland. Looks good on the surface, but it is not someplace you would want to live (I hope) and not very inspiring. I think Josh is arguing for authenticity, not for or against any particular style. Authenticity means considering context, not just the surrounding buildings and neighborhood, but of modern soiciety, its needs and values. I think most people would support a modern take on art deco, but a true art deco design done today would look silly, like me in my grandfather's clothes. Design by committee(s) (which is what happens if you have very stringent guidlines with regard to style, historical or otherwise) inevitably comes out looking bland and fake. The problem for me with the Radison is not the style per se, but the lack of imagination and attention to finish in carrying it out. I personally hate modernism, but when I see a well done version of it (there are a few in Vancouver), I actually appreciate and understand it.
     
     
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Anyone read the editorial in the SP this am? It looks like the editorial board have been taking their enlightenment pills For the first time ever I think, I agree wholeheartedly with everything they say. I don't know how to paste it here, so I will have to direct you to the paper, but the gist is that the city should stop following the path toward sprawl, which has led Calgary and Edmonton to their current infrastructure and transit crises, and instead focus on filling in and densifying the core. Essentially, they are arguing that projects such as moving the city yards to allow downtown development and other incentives for infill and density, should take priority over suburban infrastructure. BTW, I think this would also lead to more and higher development downtown, which I think most on this forum support. I hope the council is listening. I intend to forward this to my councillor (it is so much easier when someone else writes it all down for you).

I read it and agreed whole heartedly with it as well. Unfortunately they don't appear to post the editorial on the web version of the SP.

While there are some encouraging developments within the core of the city, it appears council is hell bent on increasing sprawl and automobile dependency despite some shining examples of the perils of doing so so close by.
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I'm sure alot of you caught this on TV, but on the CTV news at 6 there was a good news story about the continuing revitalization of Riversdale/20th St. and how there's new investment in the area, renewed interest, changing perceptions, etc.

The story also noted the sale (finally) of the Adilman Building. Apparently, the new owner wants to develop retail space on the ground floor and office space on the second. He also wants to open up a pub. You may have already heard that but it was news to me.

Also, the story touched on the possible sale of the Barry to the city. A reference was made that some councilors feel the building should be torn down in order to start fresh. I for one would be against the building's demolition.. I think it's an important part of Riversdale's and the city's heritage that should be kept and re-used somehow.
That is great news about the Adilman, a pub would be great, I need a new local.

As for the Barry, yes, sadly some councillors think that the barry is a symbol for the problems that riversdale has had.....and there brilliant idea for making riversdale more attrative to people is to knock down a building, leaving a hole in the ground with no plans for it's redevelopment.....that is sure to get people wandering down 20th Street, nothing says progress like a big creepy fenced pit!

This is particularly ridiculous because the structure of the barry was built to not only withstand a fire in the building (in the 60s a fire took out a large portion of the barry...and as was planned the structure withstood it and the building could be re-built), but also it was built strong to have 2 additional stories added to it. How great would it be to have that building gutted and rebuilt to have commercial on the main floor then 3 or 4 stories of condos....that would be quite the improvement for Riversdale.
     
     
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A "Lush" opens up and not even a single peep!?

You guys need to get in touch with your feminen side!
     
     
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that is sure to get people wandering down 20th Street, nothing says progress like a big creepy fenced pit!
I was thinking that the best thing to draw people to 20th would be a surface parking lot in place of the Barry

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A "Lush" opens up and not even a single peep!?

You guys need to get in touch with your feminen side!
Lol.. Does anyone know what else is going into that new retail space at Midtown? I haven't been there in a while.

Also, does anyone know what's going into the old Poverino's on 8th? They seem to be classing the place up pretty good..
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midtown i went there a week ago and the food court is nice. i dont know where they could be expanding retail
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Capital budget lays foundation for future woes

I found the article online, read it, and wholeheartedly agree with it. I posted it below, for others to have a chance to read it.

I lived in Saskatoon for awhile, and liked it for the most part.
However the growth pattern of the city seemed centered on many subdivisions, each cut off from the other. As the article says, this discourages not only efficient transit, but it also discourages the successful development of local business strips (like Central Avenue and 33rd Street) which can service a local area, thus eliminating traffic jams enroute to the local big box centre. Even the socalled "new modernist" design of Willowdale will see its village square cut-off from surrounding neighbourhoods - as it won't be on a continuous arterial road like 8th Street or 20th Street.

Saskatoon is such a pretty city. It would be a shame to see it become an urban wasteland hell. I thought that was the fate of only those cities which had their growth spurts in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's.

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I read it and agreed whole heartedly with it as well. Unfortunately they don't appear to post the editorial on the web version of the SP.

While there are some encouraging developments within the core of the city, it appears council is hell bent on increasing sprawl and automobile dependency despite some shining examples of the perils of doing so so close by.
Capital budget lays foundation for future woes

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Friday 30 November 2007


There is an easy symmetry to the city's plan to spend $218 million on capital projects next year. The vast majority of the money will come from fees and reserves established specifically for the work to be done.

So, for example, while 40 per cent of the total capital budget will go to develop new residential lots in neighbourhoods such as Hampton Village, Willowgrove, Stonebridge and the northeast sector of Saskatoon, the money will come from levies that will be prepaid on the lots to be developed.

To help pay for critical infrastructure in these areas, the city also has set aside a portion of the new taxes that will be collected when these properties come on stream.

And even major projects, such as the $91-million police station that is to be built early in the next decade, will be paid for by incremental increases in the property taxes, so that future residents who benefit from the security provided by the enhanced services, too, will be helping to pay for it.

However, the capital budget also perpetuates a municipal design that ensures Saskatoon always will have difficulty in finding the money that it needs to meet demands for infrastructure.

The city already is setting aside every other capital project it can delay, in order to find the $300 million needed for a south bridge and connecting roadway.

But because projects such as the $7.7 million to expand primary watermains and the sewer trunk into Stonebridge, $11 million to push watermains and sewer trunks further into the northeast sector, and the $83.6 million in prepaid land development to bring on stream 800 lots in Willowgrove, 420 in Hampton Village and 380 in Stonebridge are all considered self-financing, they will proceed.

It should be plain to anyone, however, that as these projects proceed, the demand for the south bridge -- already considered overdue -- will be that much greater.

There is no question that Saskatoon must accommodate the current demand for residential lots. The city was blasted this year by property developers, who unexpectedly found that the demand for new homes was greatly outstripping the supply of residential lots.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to calculate that, as long as Saskatoon continues to expand at its periphery at the rate planned for the coming year, it will remain hard-pressed to keep up with the bridges and roads needed to enable the residents of those new neighbourhoods to travel around the city.

And this problem only is exacerbated by proposals such as the one floated this week to hike transit fares.

The vast majority of the new homes being built in the western, northeastern and southern edges of Saskatoon will feature single or two-car garages. These neighbourhoods are connected to the rest of Saskatoon with wide, modern arterial streets and homeowners will have but a short walk to catch a near-empty and overpriced transit bus.

The buses run nearly empty because the city spends whatever it takes to make it easy for residents to drive a car, and the transit service is overpriced because riders are required to pay more for their tickets than what the service costs. That's because they are being made to subsidize transit's cost of providing service to all areas whether it's wanted or not.

And it's not just the ever-decreasing number of transit riders (the city estimates it will lose more than 164,000 riders with the higher fares) who will be paying to expand services to the edges of the city. Transit also is heavily subsidized by property taxes.

Water and sewer rates, too, will have to increase as the city struggles to maintain and repair a growing network of underground lines. And since the water utility estimates it already loses 17 per cent of the water as it moves from the treatment plant to the end-user, the longer those watermains extend, the more users will be paying to treat water that ends up in the subsoil.

But the most obvious problem of the continual outward expansion will be the need to build and repair more roads and bridges required to alleviate the gridlock of people driving from home to work and back again.

The city did have choices. The city operations could be moved out of its downtown yards, along with the bus barns in the heart of Saskatoon. That land could be put toward residential construction to bring new life to the core.

The city also could speed up the construction of bike trails and ensure that snow is cleared from them in the winter. It could make it easier for downtown residents to have pets by allowing dogs in nearby parks. And it could encourage developers to "build up" instead of spreading out.

But this capital budget is a blueprint that repeats the errors made in cities such as Calgary -- errors that have helped drive Calgarians to Saskatoon looking for relief from the very gridlock and congestion that this year's capital plan promises to add to this city.

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YAY, all we need is more plastic siding and pink stucco! really a beautiful idea isnt it? make thousands of houses that all look the same!
     
     
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Also, does anyone know what's going into the old Poverino's on 8th? They seem to be classing the place up pretty good..
Word on the street is that it will be a Mexican restaurant called "Avocado's".
     
     
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country i researched midtown plaza for new development but i found nothing. But if you didn't know it is owned by Oxford Properties Group which seems like a very good group. They own numerous places all over north america like the Cornwall Centre in regina, or bow valley square in calgary. they also do nice commerical areas and some hotels as well. on midtown plazas website it says this about the food court.
Midtown Plaza is currently undergoing an extensive food court renovation that includes updated lighting, additional seating, new washrooms and an upgraded family room. Midtown Plaza has 14 food court tenants to choose from.
Also i dont know if it bug any of you but on Oxford Properties Group it says that Toysrus is a main tenant attached to the mall. Just because it is on their property doesnt mean its attached to the mall. it just means to me that it is a box store.
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Originally Posted by FUTURE GROWTH OF SASKATOON “A Tradition of Planning” FINAL REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Community Services Department City Planning Branch June, 2000

Saskatoon has adopted a “pay as you go” philosophy meaning that it does not normally
borrow funds beyond the City’s capacity to fully cover the borrowed funds from the existing
tax base and reserves. New infrastructure is constructed as it is needed and not ahead of its
time. Furthermore, developers are required to pay for all on-site and many off-site servicing
costs (levies) at the time lots are ready for sale. It should be noted however, that not all costs
associated with growth are covered by these levies. Major city-wide infrastructure such as
new bridges and major interchanges are funded separately. Other costs associated with future
growth can be significant such as longer transit routes in areas which are low-density, longer
travel time for emergency response, longer travel time to city-wide public facilities and
downtown all have a significant cost component which are not covered by levies.
A conservative fiscal policy and long range planning has served the City well. Conservative
fiscal policy over many years has meant that the City has been able to maintain a Triple A
bond rating and Saskatoon remains a compact city which is efficient to service and
economical to live in.

“...if there is no comprehensive plan to guide development in a well thought out
program to co-ordinate private and public activities with reference to all the
requirements of the community, Saskatoon won’t become the city it might otherwise
be and it will have to spend more money in the end.”(‘The Saskatoon Plan’, Wilson, Bunnell & Borgstrom Ltd., Toronto, 1930)

Have we fooled ourselves into thinking Saskatoon is on the path to economic and social well-being?

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Friday 30 November 2007

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I'm still waiting for an opinion piece in support of suburban development, perhaps one of a handful of suburban developers in Saskatoon will throw out their defense in a future Friday edition of the Star Phoenix , I imagine it will follow a supply and demand argument detailing how restricting growth in the suburbs will lead to an increase in home prices across the board, or maybe the tired "people want privacy, they want a home, a garage, a yard, etc"....our society is forever hung up on the notion of an individual attaining the traditional ideal with all its associated status symbols, a concept no longer acceptable given the increasing costs to our environment and society itself.

I share the writer's view of growing concern with Saskatoon's growth strategy and the eventual consequences of current planning policies.

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With amendments up to and including Bylaw No. 8614
(City Council passed – July 16, 2007)
(Deputy Minister approved – August 13, 2007)

City Form, Structure and Development Phasing

3.1 City Form and Structure

3.1.1 Objective: To build a fiscally, socially and environmentally sustainable community by:

i) ensuring the efficient use of land and civic infrastructure;

ii) maintaining a rational and effective system to manage urban growth; and

iii) providing an appropriate distribution of important community facilities and services throughout the City.

3.1.2 Policies:

Compact City Form a) The development of a compact and efficient urban form shall be encouraged by setting overall density guidelines for new residential development areas, facilitating infill development in existing residential, commercial and industrial areas, and gradually increasing the overall density of the City.

***Comment: Can we increase our density in a cost-efficient manner through extensive development of suburban communities? Building up the core seems more cost-efficient, people need to understand density and come to accept and embrace it (with limits of course).***

Role of the Downtown b) The Downtown is the centre and heart of the City and Region and will continue to provide the highest level of administrative, commercial, cultural, and entertainment facilities. The Downtown will also contain the highest development densities in the City, a strong diversity of activity, and a growing resident population. Whenever possible, administrative, commercial, cultural and entertainment facilities that are significant to the City or Region shall be placed in or near the Downtown. (Refer also to Section 6.1 for policies on Downtown development.)

Community Focal Points c) In addition to the Downtown, a limited number of planned community focal points and corridors shall be designated throughout the City, including Suburban Centres, District Commercial Areas, Arterial Commercial Areas, and Neighbourhood Commercial Areas. The amount of commercial activity within these focal points will be based on local trade area requirements, locational policies for these activities as outlined in this Plan, and the impact on the viability of Downtown commercial development.

Concentrate Activities d) Wherever possible, significant commercial, multiple-unit residential, and community facilities shall be situated in or near the designated focal points in order to maximize the use of existing community infrastructure.

Transportation Needs e) The proximity of new residential development to the Downtown and other major areas of employment shall be a goal in determining the overall form of the City. Mixed-use focal points, significant employment opportunities, and other major community facilities shall be situated to minimize the need for new transportation infrastructure, and to encourage greater use of the public transit system.

Suburban Development Areas f) Long range planning for neighbourhoods and related community facilities shall be organized within the context of Suburban Development Areas. Suburban Development Areas contain approximately 8 to 10 neighbourhoods and the housing and community facilities necessary to accommodate about 50,000 people. The five existing Suburban Development Areas include Confederation, Lawson, Nutana, Lakewood, and University Heights. Alterations to established future growth patterns and existing Suburban Development Area configurations may be evaluated from time to time where demographic, market, or servicing considerations warrant.
I hope alterations occur sooner rather than later...I'm thinking dramatic alterations rather than minimal. I have no doubt in my mind we can build suburban communities for the next 30 years, but, do we really have to? should we?

A few weeks ago I spoke to a City Planner while attending an information session for Regional and Urban Planning students. City representatives had displayed a map of Saskatoon depicting future growth areas (West/North East/East periphery) and I was curious as to why they were pursuing periphery development while neglecting the inner city neighborhoods.

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Comment #1 The new developing neighborhoods built on the periphery offer very few worthwhile employment opportunities and thus more people hop in their car for the commute Downtown or the North Industrial. She responded by saying "We have and are encouraging employment in the North East...". Yeah, a few employment opportunities in the North East (It's no Downtown or North Industrial), she added, "We can't expect people will want to live in an Industrial area", my reply, "I suppose" ....

Question #1: "Why has the city focused on new suburban neighborhoods, while neglecting the possibilities for development in the core?" She said they are working to improve the core's image through Business Improvement Districts, and offering incentives such as property tax rebates for property developers and home owners. I said "yeah, that's a start", I suggested to her the city must review the long-term growth strategy detailing our growth to the year 2050. Her response was the city is currently reviewing the growth strategy...I responded with "Really? But, can we expect to see a dramatic change or shift in policy, or just some fine tuning? Probably just fine tuning she said. "Well, I was hoping for a push for more density in the core neighborhoods, can we not look to Calgary for ideas, their Beltline development with all the hi-rise condos seems like something we should strive for". After that I thought I was probably pestering her too much, so I said thank you and made my exit.

I would argue that the City's long-term strategy speaks primarily in support of suburban development, and lists the opportunities as more attainable and therefore more desirable (e.g. Everyone hops in a car to get to work? ). Although, the report mentions the core has not been forgotten and lists the following initiatives:

•Local Area Plans;
•Community Matters Program (Enhanced Citizen Participation);
•Enterprise Zone;
•Downtown Plan;
•River Landing;
•Concentric Development around Core;

The above list is great and all, but I don't get a sense of what Saskatoon is striving for, in terms of an overall growth strategy. The City invests millions of dollars into River Landing and markets the area as an urban oasis...but do themselves damage by promoting lifestyles on the periphery by pumping out serviced lots in newly developed neighborhoods. Where can I find detailed analysis of the core growth potential and associated costs, and suburban growth potential and associated costs? Maybe I'm not looking in the right places.

City policy seems to strive for an equal balance between core and periphery growth, but, perhaps it should favor one over the other? Perhaps City policy already favors (albeit slightly) one type of development over another, specifically periphery over core. I'd like to see a shift from suburban development to core development beginning with the 25th street extension and Warehouse district projects, removal of bus barns, increase use of up-zoning of select properties in core neighborhoods (delicate process), finding the political will and financing to build the whitewater park, solidify the concept of "The Crescent", but what I would most like for Christmas...to escape the cold winter weather

Future Growth Study for Saskatoon
http://saskatoon.ca/org/city_planning/land_use_policy/development/future_growth_study.asp

CITY OF SASKATOON DEVELOPMENT PLAN
http://saskatoon.ca/org/clerks_office/bylaws/7799/7799.pdf

I appreciate Edmonton's approach to growth scenarios and their associated costs. Although not directly applicable to Saskatoon, the city's efforts to present relevant facts and issues provide citizens a good grasp of the options available and to ultimately decide what is best for themselves and the community.



Edmonton Growth Scenarios
http://www.focusedmonton.ca/media/Growth_Scenereo_Concepts_posters.pdf

"With today’s rapid growth, how can Edmonton build promising communities for tomorrow?" http://www.focusedmonton.ca/home.html

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I found the article online, read it, and wholeheartedly agree with it. I posted it below, for others to have a chance to read it.

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Capital budget lays foundation for future woes

The StarPhoenix

Friday 30 November 2007

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That's a great article, thanks for sharing! It's impressive the S-P would have the insight to comment like that... Regina has the exact same problems, but I've never seen anything as critical or useful in the Leader-Post as that. Not even close.

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A few weeks ago I spoke to a City Planner while attending an information session for Regional and Urban Planning students. City representatives had displayed a map of Saskatoon depicting future growth areas (West/North East/East periphery) and I was curious as to why they were pursuing periphery development while neglecting the inner city neighborhoods.

...

"Well, I was hoping for a push for more density in the core neighborhoods, can we not look to Calgary for ideas, their Beltline development with all the hi-rise condos seems like something we should strive for". After that I thought I was probably pestering her too much, so I said thank you and made my exit.
Aw, you totally should've pestered. Point blank - tell them that other cities realised the problem with sprawl, point out what other cities are doing, and ask them if they are doing the same thing. If not, why not?

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I would argue that the City's long-term strategy speaks primarily in support of suburban development, and lists the opportunities as more attainable and therefore more desirable (e.g. Everyone hops in a car to get to work? ). Although, the report mentions the core has not been forgotten and lists the following initiatives:

•Local Area Plans;
•Community Matters Program (Enhanced Citizen Participation);
•Enterprise Zone;
•Downtown Plan;
•River Landing;
•Concentric Development around Core;

The above list is great and all, but I don't get a sense of what Saskatoon is striving for, in terms of an overall growth strategy. Where can I find detailed analysis of the core growth/potential and associated costs, and suburban growth potential and associated costs? Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. The City invests millions of dollars into River Landing and markets the area as an urban oasis...but do themselves damage by promoting lifestyles on the periphery by pumping out serviced lots in newly developed neighborhoods.

City policy seems to strive for an equal balance between core and periphery growth, but, perhaps it should favor one over the other? Perhaps City policy already favors (albeit slightly) one type of development over another, specifically periphery over core. I'd like to see a shift from suburban development to core development beginning with the 25th street extension and Warehouse district projects, removal of bus barns, increase use of up-zoning of select properties in core neighborhoods (delicate process), finding the political will and financing to build the whitewater park, solidify the concept of "The Crescent", but what I would most like for Christmas...to escape the cold winter weather
This totally deserves a Letter to the Editor, you should consider publishing it. I'm sure the local "developers" (as you said) will be writing a rebuttal to the S-P editorial... supporting letters like yours are important to keep the focus on bbetter growth.

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I appreciate Edmonton's approach to growth scenarios and their associated costs. Although not directly applicable to Saskatoon, the city's efforts to present relevant facts and issues provide citizens a good grasp of the options available and to ultimately decide what is best for themselves and the community.
Agreed, Edmonton is good. They had this Planning Academy when I was there that actually actively seeks out interested citizens, teaches them about good planning, and how to get into the system to make it happen. Metro Vancouver also does a good job also opening up info and dialogues about planning.

I'm looking forward to seeing how S'toon goes. What can I say, if S'toon and Regina could get more worked up over a rivalry over urban planning, everyone would win.
     
     
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Aw, you totally should've pestered. Point blank - tell them that other cities realised the problem with sprawl, point out what other cities are doing, and ask them if they are doing the same thing. If not, why not?
Note to self: increase pestering of planners at next available opportunity

She appreciated my comments and let me know that I wasn't pestering her. She said planners are very much interested in the views of citizens, engaging the public is a critical task for professional planners. I cynically commented "Yeah, discussions with the public are the most interesting part", as some citizens have complete ignorance of the process while demanding the attention of planners. As for me, so much to say, so little time. I'm sure another opportunity will arise soon.


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This totally deserves a Letter to the Editor, you should consider publishing it. I'm sure the local "developers" (as you said) will be writing a rebuttal to the S-P editorial... supporting letters like yours are important to keep the focus on bbetter growth.
Thanks for the support. I figure plenty of citizens share my view (at least 50%) and a few will likely write in strong support of the article. But given your suggestion, I will consider submission of my views...never wrote to the SP before, sucks I can't use to convey the message better

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Agreed, Edmonton is good. They had this Planning Academy when I was there that actually actively seeks out interested citizens, teaches them about good planning, and how to get into the system to make it happen. Metro Vancouver also does a good job also opening up info and dialogues about planning.
Saskatoon recently launched the Planning Eduction Program (I say recently because I first heard about it ~ 4 months ago). The program is comprised of a planning guide with information pertaining to planning processes along with scheduled workshops exploring municipal planning roles and procedures.

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I'm looking forward to seeing how S'toon goes. What can I say, if S'toon and Regina could get more worked up over a rivalry over urban planning, everyone would win.
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on the good news the rumel'y hole is slowly filling up with with steel to put the windows on, there is tarps covering the holes at this moment. King george exterior is 70% gone off the building, just a cement frame. Renos are moving pretty good.
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