Calgary International Airport II - Page 566

msmariner · #**11301** Posted **Jul 21, 2023, 12:51 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Yes, IAD ends 4 weeks earlier and DEN about 2 weeks earlier than originally scheduled.

What happens with the current passengers? Rebooked through Delta Hubs….SLC, MSP, ATL, DET or ATL or on United?

hollywoodcory · #**11302** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 10:09 AM**

WS has filed its winter schedule in the OAG. Includes at least one new route.

NEW:

Effective December 23:
WS1650 YYC 10:15 - 17:11 TPA 6
WS1651 TPA 14:30 - 18:05 YYC 6

Noteworthy changes:
ATL - Red-eye extended through winter.
HNL - Resumes Nov. 3 / 789 operating once again
FLL - Increased to 3x weekly
MCO - Evening departure on Fridays / up to 8x weekly
BZE - Increased to 2x weekly
FCO - Resumes April 6
SEA - Back to Encore 2x daily Q400.
JFK - Increased to 5-6x weekly
Will do a better sweep later

hehehe · #**11303** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 11:02 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS has filed its winter schedule in the OAG. Includes at least one new route.

NEW:

Effective December 23:
WS1650 YYC 10:15 - 17:11 TPA 6
WS1651 TPA 14:30 - 18:05 YYC 6

Noteworthy changes:
ATL - Red-eye extended through winter.
HNL - Resumes Nov. 3 / 789 operating once again
FLL - Increased to 3x weekly
MCO - Evening departure on Fridays / up to 8x weekly
BZE - Increased to 2x weekly
FCO - Resumes April 6
SEA - Back to Encore 2x daily Q400.
JFK - Increased to 5-6x weekly
Will do a better sweep later

Hey we got TPA right!

YYCguys · #**11304** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 12:49 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS has filed its winter schedule in the OAG. Includes at least one new route.

NEW:

Effective December 23:
WS1650 YYC 10:15 - 17:11 TPA 6
WS1651 TPA 14:30 - 18:05 YYC 6

Noteworthy changes:
ATL - Red-eye extended through winter.
HNL - Resumes Nov. 3 / 789 operating once again
FLL - Increased to 3x weekly
MCO - Evening departure on Fridays / up to 8x weekly
BZE - Increased to 2x weekly
FCO - Resumes April 6
SEA - Back to Encore 2x daily Q400.
JFK - Increased to 5-6x weekly
Will do a better sweep later

I’m surprised that SEA is being downguaged to a Q! I thought it was doing so well on the 737!

peytol · #**11305** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 2:59 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys

I’m surprised that SEA is being downguaged to a Q! I thought it was doing so well on the 737!

The evening flight is often on a 800, so must be doing well in the summer at least!

Tobuz · #**11306** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 4:04 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS has filed its winter schedule in the OAG. Includes at least one new route.

NEW:

Effective December 23:
WS1650 YYC 10:15 - 17:11 TPA 6
WS1651 TPA 14:30 - 18:05 YYC 6

Noteworthy changes:
ATL - Red-eye extended through winter.
HNL - Resumes Nov. 3 / 789 operating once again
FLL - Increased to 3x weekly
MCO - Evening departure on Fridays / up to 8x weekly
BZE - Increased to 2x weekly
FCO - Resumes April 6
SEA - Back to Encore 2x daily Q400.
JFK - Increased to 5-6x weekly
Will do a better sweep later

When do these become bookable? They don’t appear on the WS website yet.

(Is there any ‘public’ way to access OAG schedules, or is it only by subscription?)

hollywoodcory · #**11307** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 4:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobuz

When do these become bookable? They don’t appear on the WS website yet.

(Is there any ‘public’ way to access OAG schedules, or is it only by subscription?)

Tonight
And yes, they can be viewed through flight view. But you have to look up the routes individually and on specific dates

Tobuz · #**11308** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 6:37 PM**

Thanks. I’ve browsed around the new WestJet schedule. It’s pretty underwhelming (to say the least) in terms of new destinations from YYC.

None of the hard-to-get-to destinations from YYC have improved… those connecting routes where I always see lots of other Calgary passengers making the same connection.

But hey, Tampa.

It’s too bad that WS has muscled UA out of its dominance on YYC-IAH. When United had more frequencies, we used to have access to lots of good destinations at IAH. Still requiring connections, but it opened up lots of relatively easy routes from Calgary.

hollywoodcory · #**11309** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 7:32 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobuz

Thanks. I’ve browsed around the new WestJet schedule. It’s pretty underwhelming (to say the least) in terms of new destinations from YYC.

None of the hard-to-get-to destinations from YYC have improved… those connecting routes where I always see lots of other Calgary passengers making the same connection.

But hey, Tampa.

It’s too bad that WS has muscled UA out of its dominance on YYC-IAH. When United had more frequencies, we used to have access to lots of good destinations at IAH. Still requiring connections, but it opened up lots of relatively easy routes from Calgary.

It's possible there's more than hasn't been found yet or weren't filed. Sometimes they don't file all the new routes in the OAG prior to the announcements. It was implied there would be several new routes.

hollywoodcory · #**11310** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 7:57 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS has filed its winter schedule in the OAG. Includes at least one new route.

NEW:

Effective December 23:
WS1650 YYC 10:15 - 17:11 TPA 6
WS1651 TPA 14:30 - 18:05 YYC 6

Noteworthy changes:
ATL - Red-eye extended through winter.
HNL - Resumes Nov. 3 / 789 operating once again
FLL - Increased to 3x weekly
MCO - Evening departure on Fridays / up to 8x weekly
BZE - Increased to 2x weekly
FCO - Resumes April 6
SEA - Back to Encore 2x daily Q400.
JFK - Increased to 5-6x weekly
Will do a better sweep later

Also:
PUJ - Increased to 2x weekly
HUX - Increased to 5x weekly
SAN - Increased to 5x weekly

msmariner · #**11311** Posted **Jul 22, 2023, 9:50 PM**

Interesting with winding down of Swoop and lesser extent sunwing. You think more flight additions would be announced to take their place (ie mainline now)

YYCguys · #**11312** Posted **Jul 23, 2023, 1:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by ace.yyc

SEA isn't California, it makes sense that its demand falls off for winter. There's also the aforementioned Europe connections from SEA which would be down given far less Europe flights running in winter.

10-4, copy that, roger dodger!

hehehe · #**11313** Posted **Jul 23, 2023, 2:41 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

It's possible there's more than hasn't been found yet or weren't filed. Sometimes they don't file all the new routes in the OAG prior to the announcements. It was implied there would be several new routes.

Yeah I think WS has done this in the past as well. Domestically though there seem to be some cuts that are below 2019 levels still? Where is all the Swoop and other WS capacity going to be going then?

hollywoodcory · #**11314** Posted **Jul 23, 2023, 6:26 PM**

Here's a full view of WS winter schedule. These are peak season frequencies.

LHR - 1x daily
CDG - 4x weekly
SEA - 1x daily
SFO - 3x weekly
LAX - 16x weekly
PSP - 2x daily
SAN - 5x weekly
PHX - 3x daily
IAH - 10x weekly
ATL - 9x weekly
MCO - 8x weekly
FLL - 3x weekly
TPA - 1x weekly
JFK - 6x weekly
OGG - 5x weekly
HNL - 5x weekly
KOA - 2x weekly
---
CUN - 3x daily
PVR - 3x daily
SJD - 9x weekly
HUX - 5x weekly
MZT - 4x weekly
ZLO - 3x weekly
LTO - 1x weekly
ZIH - 4x weekly
LIR - 4x weekly
BZE - 2x weekly
MBJ - 2x weekly
PUJ - 2x weekly
NAS - 1x weekly

BNA runs 4x weekly until Nov. 11/ resumes Mar 22.
FCO runs 2x weekly until Nov. 9 / resumes Apr. 1
NRT resumes Apr. 3

-KOA / HNL / BZE all resume in early November instead of late Nov / early Dec. NAS resumes one month later on Dec. 23.
-SEA appears to fully lose its evening departure.

msmariner · #**11315** Posted **Jul 23, 2023, 11:15 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Here's a full view of WS winter schedule. These are peak season frequencies.

LHR - 1x daily
CDG - 4x weekly
SEA - 1x daily
SFO - 3x weekly
LAX - 16x weekly
PSP - 2x daily
SAN - 5x weekly
PHX - 3x daily
IAH - 10x weekly
ATL - 9x weekly
MCO - 8x weekly
FLL - 3x weekly
TPA - 1x weekly
JFK - 6x weekly
OGG - 5x weekly
HNL - 5x weekly
KOA - 2x weekly
---
CUN - 3x daily
PVR - 3x daily
SJD - 9x weekly
HUX - 5x weekly
MZT - 4x weekly
ZLO - 3x weekly
LTO - 1x weekly
ZIH - 4x weekly
LIR - 4x weekly
BZE - 2x weekly
MBJ - 2x weekly
PUJ - 2x weekly
NAS - 1x weekly

BNA runs 4x weekly until Nov. 11/ resumes Mar 22.
FCO runs 2x weekly until Nov. 9 / resumes Apr. 1
NRT resumes Apr. 3

-KOA / HNL / BZE all resume in early November instead of late Nov / early Dec. NAS resumes one month later on Dec. 23.
-SEA appears to fully lose its evening departure.

How about HOU, LAS, ANA

hehehe · #**11316** Posted **Jul 23, 2023, 11:57 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Here's a full view of WS winter schedule. These are peak season frequencies.

LHR - 1x daily
CDG - 4x weekly
SEA - 1x daily
SFO - 3x weekly
LAX - 16x weekly
PSP - 2x daily
SAN - 5x weekly
PHX - 3x daily
IAH - 10x weekly
ATL - 9x weekly
MCO - 8x weekly
FLL - 3x weekly
TPA - 1x weekly
JFK - 6x weekly
OGG - 5x weekly
HNL - 5x weekly
KOA - 2x weekly
---
CUN - 3x daily
PVR - 3x daily
SJD - 9x weekly
HUX - 5x weekly
MZT - 4x weekly
ZLO - 3x weekly
LTO - 1x weekly
ZIH - 4x weekly
LIR - 4x weekly
BZE - 2x weekly
MBJ - 2x weekly
PUJ - 2x weekly
NAS - 1x weekly

BNA runs 4x weekly until Nov. 11/ resumes Mar 22.
FCO runs 2x weekly until Nov. 9 / resumes Apr. 1
NRT resumes Apr. 3

-KOA / HNL / BZE all resume in early November instead of late Nov / early Dec. NAS resumes one month later on Dec. 23.
-SEA appears to fully lose its evening departure.

A few increases but mostly cuts it appears? (also domestically a decent amount of cuts). I'm a bit surprised SEA is down to 6x weekly

JakeLRS · #**11317** Posted **Jul 24, 2023, 12:09 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe

A few increases but mostly cuts it appears? (also domestically a decent amount of cuts). I'm a bit surprised SEA is down to 6x weekly

To be fair, the economy is slowing and people have less money to spend. That could be a reason why WS is relatively conservative with this schedule release.

hehehe · #**11318** Posted **Jul 24, 2023, 12:14 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS

To be fair, the economy is slowing and people have less money to spend. That could be a reason why WS is relatively conservative with this schedule release.

Yeah that's a good point. For YYC there seem to be roughly 115 flights a day scheduled so far, down from the 140 ish in 2019.

YYCFlier · #**11319** Posted **Jul 24, 2023, 12:14 AM**

Curious - is all the Europe 789 capacity WS is throwing out of YYC hurting AC's FRA/LHR loads/yields or are they doing okay? In the new world order I always worry seasonal FRA in YVR gets replaced with year long FRA and YYC loses it.

Tobuz · #**11320** Posted **Jul 24, 2023, 1:00 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS

To be fair, the economy is slowing and people have less money to spend. That could be a reason why WS is relatively conservative with this schedule release.

Comparing to 2019, Calgary used to have lots of service from lots of carriers. AC treated Calgary as a hub (albeit a small one) with lots of non-stop destinations and tons of connections via Star Alliance. WestJet was a big player in a competitive market.

Since then, most carriers seem to have ceded YYC to WestJet.

A conservative schedule release from WestJet really is surprising given that other airlines have drawn down YYC so much.

(As for "people having less money to spend" ... that's true, to a point. But not so much with the traveller demographic. Flights out of YYC are jam-packed, and those tickets are being purchased at higher fares than I've ever seen in my life. Hotels everywhere are charging ridiculously high room rates - now and through the Christmas season - and they're selling them without discounting. The travel economy is still red hot.)