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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 10:25 PM
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I wonder if Bank St. businesses might be struggling because they have a buffoon like Christine Leadman as their BIA director. Seriously, you have a chance to bring 1,030 units' worth of new residents to the area to support your businesses and you're bringing up parking and wind tunnel concerns? What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 10:36 PM
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Leadman is a former city council member? In Ottawa?
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Ottawa: City of Charcoal bricks, Shawarma, Shoppers Drug Mart and Pot Shops on every block (also: massive megatall skyscrapers causing deadly wind tunnels).

I think we have our new marketing slogan. I'll get on the T-shirts right away.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 10:49 PM
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What kind of BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT area (BIA) dislikes added population and added retails space for businesses and complains about imaginary Wind?? This is a whole new level of NIMBY I was not expecting
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 10:56 PM
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What kind of BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT area (BIA) dislikes added population and added retails space for businesses and complains about imaginary Wind?? This is a whole new level of NIMBY I was not expecting
Apparently the only business the BIA wants is from patrons who drive 20+ minutes from the burbs and park their SUVs no more than 10 metres away from the storefront.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 11:03 PM
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Apparently the only business the BIA wants is from patrons who drive 20+ minutes from the burbs and park their SUVs no more than 10 metres away from the storefront.
This is probably 70+ percent of the business model in The Glebe and Westboro/Hintonburg. Local tourism grossly outweighs actual tourism. These are the places that the suburbanites visit for their faux-urban fix in this embarrassment of a city.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 1:47 AM
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This is probably 70+ percent of the business model in The Glebe and Westboro/Hintonburg. Local tourism grossly outweighs actual tourism. These are the places that the suburbanites visit for their faux-urban fix in this embarrassment of a city.
The majority of the traffic to stores on Bank St in the Glebe and Centretown are locals that walk there. Same as Wellington West. The majority of the *owners* of the businesses live in the suburbs. That’s the issue.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 1:48 AM
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Leadman is a former city council member? In Ottawa?
Yup, Kitchissippi Ward. I remember her not liking the crosswalk bulb-outs that narrowed the intersections on Richmond Road because they prevented the parking spaces from being used as extra traffic lanes during rush hour
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 2:19 AM
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I wonder if Bank St. businesses might be struggling because they have a buffoon like Christine Leadman as their BIA director. Seriously, you have a chance to bring 1,030 units' worth of new residents to the area to support your businesses and you're bringing up parking and wind tunnel concerns? What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?
Don’t forget her comment that developers like Brigid are responsible for making sure there is enough greenspace. Apparently planning for parks is not the city’s responsibility.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 3:59 AM
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Oh no! The Bank Street BIA is already worried... sowing FUD like this about the retail component potentially taking shoppers away from it's members, among other NIMBY complaints. Shame.
What the hell is wrong with these people? This is literally a wasteland where it is right now off the highway. ALMOST NO ONE LIVES IN THAT LITTLE SPOT BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND Catherine Street!!!!!
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 4:01 AM
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If the City rejects this, I hope they take this to the Provincial government with the new bypass and bypasses city approval. Honestly, if they reject this because of idiocracy like wInDs and sHaDoWs (what is the shadows blocking? Cars driving by on the highway????), they deserve to be taken to tribunal like 1040 Richmond.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 10:44 AM
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The Gatineau firm that wants to build more than 1,000 residential units on the site of the former Greyhound bus terminal says it has received “positive” feedback about the plan – but a downtown business advocate worries the project’s retail component could struggle on a street where parking is at a premium.
Don't think this falls in the Bank Street BIA's territory, so it's none of their concern. The point of the retail in this project is to serve the 30k+ who live in Centretown and surrounding area, not suburbanites.

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Still, Leadman questioned how “people-friendly” the project will be, saying she would prefer to see more trees and public lawns sprinkled throughout the site.
Has she seen the same project we have? There are plenty of trees and greenspaces. I guess she wants more useless grass? A front lawn? And I think by “people-friendly” she really means "car-friendly".

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Nearby recreation facilities such as the McNabb arena, park and community centre and Jack Purcell Community Centre are “already at capacity,” she added, and companies like Brigil need to ensure they make green space a priority.

“When we’re looking at trying to revitalize the core, these developments that come in can be part of that,” said Leadman, who sits on a task force that is studying ways to reanimate Ottawa’s downtown. “There isn’t very much soft landscaping around this property.”
She realizes that parks are the City's responsibility, not developers, right? And again, there is a pretty significant amount of greenspace proposed anyway.

What's ironic is that she would probably complain if, for example, the Nature Museum would transform it's parking lot into a park.

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The former city councillor also noted the three residential towers exceed the current 25-storey height limit set out in Ottawa’s Official Plan and worries they will create a “wind-tunnel” effect.
Wind tunnels are more of a problem when you have wall to wall towers, regardless of height (Rideau, CBD). These tall towers with generous spacing between them would generate *less* or *no* wind tunnel.

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“There are wind issues anyway going down Catherine Street,” she said. “It’s only going to be exacerbated when you put in more towers like this.”
Sooo the street with like, one tower already has wind? As if you don't need towers for wind to be a thing.

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That may be where the BIA is coming from, but it really isn't a very good location for retail (other commercial uses may be more appropriate). Especially given that it will likely be more expensive than traditional areas like Bank.
Brigil did say that part of the point for the added density is to be able to provide lower rents for retailers.
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The inevitable wind complaints in Ottawa make me wonder if any of these people have driven two hours away to Montreal even once in their entire lives and walked down the street. I'm trying to remember times that the wind caused me grief when surrounded by 50 story towers walking down the street, but I am coming up short.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 2:34 PM
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The inevitable wind complaints in Ottawa make me wonder if any of these people have driven two hours away to Montreal even once in their entire lives and walked down the street. I'm trying to remember times that the wind caused me grief when surrounded by 50 story towers walking down the street, but I am coming up short.
Apparently they have something called the BS fever. In their feverish state, if they think anything has the chance of casting a speck of shadow or an extra 0.000000001 millimetre/second then their whole body goes into perpetual lock down and they have to oppose it. It is why they can't go outside during a windy day or cloudy day, as they try to perform NIMBY activities towards the clouds and Sun, but their efforts are blocked by nature.


All this to say though, they probably will never realistically be affected.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 3:04 PM
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We should do periodic 1, 5, and 10 year check-ins with NIMBYs to ask them how developments they vehemently opposed have ruined their lives. Like that lady in Westboro someone mentioned in this forum, who still refuses to shop at the Superstore on Richmond because it "destroyed the neighbourhood".

It must be miserable to live in a state of perpetual contempt.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 5:09 PM
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We should do periodic 1, 5, and 10 year check-ins with NIMBYs to ask them how developments they vehemently opposed have ruined their lives. Like that lady in Westboro someone mentioned in this forum, who still refuses to shop at the Superstore on Richmond because it "destroyed the neighbourhood".

It must be miserable to live in a state of perpetual contempt.
We definitely should lol
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 5:19 PM
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We need to build housing, lots of housing and now! The quality of the design for this is much better than the typical Ottawa proposal. Why do we always come up short and build bland in this city? We need to have a vision, a sense of what we want to be as we grow into a big city. Just not seeing this much at the planning stage sigh!!!!
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 6:05 PM
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"this is a poor location for retail" = "incumbent commercial landlords on Bank Street don't appreciate the competion".
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 6:44 PM
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"this is a poor location for retail" = "incumbent commercial landlords on Bank Street don't appreciate the competion".
Another thing to mention is that the lot with the rental companies is also sold and probably going to go up for development soon too. The area has a very good chance at being a walkable district with lots of street frontage and amenities.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2023, 10:02 PM
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Another thing to mention is that the lot with the rental companies is also sold and probably going to go up for development soon too. The area has a very good chance at being a walkable district with lots of street frontage and amenities.
Imagine what the area could be like if we 'Autoroute Ville Marie'ed the Queensway though the core.
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