Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Fires are down substantially.

Which despite all the rhetoric was the only actual substantial goal AFAIK.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Which despite all the rhetoric was the only actual substantial goal AFAIK.

The VFD ordered the sidewalks cleared but the City/VPD under the last administration did not enforce the order.

Stewart and Co will never take the blame for the fires, but surely there was some contribution there.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Fires are down substantially.

You'd expect that as the weather has got warmer. And from the number of fire trucks around, and the VFR twitter feed, it looks like there are still plenty of calls in the area - but maybe not so many to E Hastings.

There are still dozens of people sleeping rough, but they've scattered. Some are still on Hastings, but without a tent - just a sleeping bag in some cases. There are still tents in the lanes, or doorways, or side streets close by. Yesterday in a 15 minute walk to a grocery shop there were six on Jackson, two on Alexander, and one in the Strathcona School, and there are a lot more around the viaducts, either alongside or between them.

It doesn't look like he new temporary modular camp buildings on Main have been finished yet. I expected them to be quicker than the three storey style buildings they've been using up to now, but they seem to have taken longer to set up. Maybe it was just the procurement that was quicker, but it's clearer why they weren't waiting for more temporary places to be ready before they swept Hastings - that was nine weeks ago.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It doesn't look like he new temporary modular camp buildings on Main have been finished yet. I expected them to be quicker than the three storey style buildings they've been using up to now, but they seem to have taken longer to set up. Maybe it was just the procurement that was quicker, but it's clearer why they weren't waiting for more temporary places to be ready before they swept Hastings - that was nine weeks ago.

Sure plus more in the OV parking lot. Literally hundreds of new shelter spaces for the "under 100" people that allegedly didn't have space after the sidewalk clearing. And yet, somehow it won't be enough space. You can bank on that.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Sure plus more in the OV parking lot. Literally hundreds of new shelter spaces for the "under 100" people that allegedly didn't have space after the sidewalk clearing. And yet, somehow it won't be enough space. You can bank on that.

Literally 90 - The 1500 Main Street site will contain 60 units and the 2132 Ash Street expansion will contain 30 units for a total of 90 units.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Literally 90 - The 1500 Main Street site will contain 60 units and the 2132 Ash Street expansion will contain 30 units for a total of 90 units.

Perfect! Problem solved!

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Never said she wouldn't. Clearly however, it's a lot more complicated than "no tents = no problem."

No one ever said that, it's more like "no tents = less tent-related problems".

The tent-removal opponents' logic is like they want the original illegal activities to exist so that other new illegal activities can cease to exist, if that is even true at all. For the rest of the law-abiding City, what everyone wants is for all lawlessness to be stopped whenever possible, full stop.

[Migrant_Coconut]

More like "the tents are bad, but removing the tents might have been worse," the same way Prohibition created the Mafia. It's called nuance.

Originally Posted by Vin

... For the rest of the law-abiding City, what everyone wants is for all lawlessness to be stopped whenever possible, full stop.

That's not going to happen no matter how many cops you hire or how many people you send to gulags. Other solutions are required.

[theKB]

St Pauls fenced the area where there was normal gathering of drug users/homeless with signs eluding to landscaping work being done. Walked past the area last night, there were several structures (tents etc) on the st pauls grounds outside the burrard entrace with a handful of people openly smoking drugs.

I always figured that the seating area where this used to take place was seen as not really hospital property, but literally on the grounds behind the rock fences, that's sort of next level.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

More like "the tents are bad, but removing the tents might have been worse," the same way Prohibition created the Mafia. It's called nuance.



That's not going to happen no matter how many cops you hire or how many people you send to gulags. Other solutions are required.

LOL, “the gulags”. More like institutional care which is what many of these people need. The airy-fairy notion that turning them loose on the streets is more compassionate is a totally failed experiment.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

LOL, “the gulags”. More like institutional care which is what many of these people need. The airy-fairy notion that turning them loose on the streets is more compassionate is a totally failed experiment.

There's a world of difference between reopening and upgrading Riverview and other mental health/detox facilities and sending the problem cases there for good (which most of the forum can get on board with)... and building a work camp up north in the middle of nowhere and trying and failing to use said problem cases for forced labour (which has been repeatedly used as flamebait on this thread and others).

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by theKB

St Pauls fenced the area where there was normal gathering of drug users/homeless with signs eluding to landscaping work being done. Walked past the area last night, there were several structures (tents etc) on the st pauls grounds outside the burrard entrace with a handful of people openly smoking drugs.

I always figured that the seating area where this used to take place was seen as not really hospital property, but literally on the grounds behind the rock fences, that's sort of next level.

I thought the "landscaping" was a convenient excuse when I walked by on the weekend. I can't say I enjoyed walking on that block when the tents were there, but it's not like it's more comfortable now.

[jollyburger]

Are those red containers just there to prevent people from camping there?

I mean who doesn't mind walking through crack smoke to work/visit the hospital.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

More like "the tents are bad, but removing the tents might have been worse," the same way Prohibition created the Mafia. It's called nuance.

Even if a bunch of tents are pitched right in front of your own property, blocking you from freely accessing it?

We know you are sympathetic to the illegal tenters only when it inconveniences or hurts others, sort of like Kennedy Stewart.

Better still, you can have "exploding tents" in front of your house like what happened last night:

17 firetrucks battled a massive tent fire in downtown Vancouver
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-tent-fire-richards-downtown

From Dailyhive Vancouver

[Vin]

Originally Posted by theKB

St Pauls fenced the area where there was normal gathering of drug users/homeless with signs eluding to landscaping work being done. Walked past the area last night, there were several structures (tents etc) on the st pauls grounds outside the burrard entrace with a handful of people openly smoking drugs.

I always figured that the seating area where this used to take place was seen as not really hospital property, but literally on the grounds behind the rock fences, that's sort of next level.

I don't get why hospital security can't ask those smokers to leave or face police arrest. It is illegal, after all. I reckon toxic fumes around are not going to be dandy for those who are hospitalized too. It is just pure laziness rather than being "liberal" when actions are not taken.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Better still, you can have "exploding tents" in front of your house like what happened last night:

Richards and Pender? So much for reducing the risk; turns out the critics and I were right, and ABC simply moved the problem to a new area instead of solving it.

If I hate the tents so much - and can't wait long enough for the new shelters and institutions to open - then I can move. Many locals do. Miss me with that "with me or against me" bullshit; looks like you were the extremist the whole time, buddy.

[whatnext]

In case you're wondering how those sketchy folks got their e-bikes. The video is nuts. No doubt the perp has a get of a jail free card.

‘Kind of unbelievable’: Violent robbery 2 blocks from VPD headquarter caught on camera
By Simon Little Global News
Posted June 23, 2023

Vancouver police say they arrested a suspect accused of robbing a man of his e-bike at knife-point in broad daylight earlier this month.

The incident was captured on camera on June 11 on a busy stretch of Cambie Street, just blocks from Vancouver police headquarters.

In the video, the suspect can be seen brandishing a pair of pliers as bystanders and the e-bike’s owner try to pull the bicycle away from him.

The suspect takes a swing at one of the bystanders with the pliers before the person shooting the video darts forward and pulls the tool from his hands....

https://globalnews.ca/news/9781966/vancouver-robbery-police-headquarters/

[SpongeG]

I know someone who has lived down in that area since 1999. HE shared a mild rant on facebook the other day, among some of the things he said such as having to find alternative entrances to his own building due to people melting into the sidewalk as they are passed out at his building's entrance etc.
Some guy who had been given naloxone to stop him from od'ing once came to started to run away from the ambulance staff all angry yelling about why they did it etc, just typical occurrences in his daily life down there, but the one thing he said was he saw a young Chinese woman get knocked over by some woman who had been screaming and carrying on as she walked around and at some point picked up some object hitting things and people it seems, so he asked the woman if she needed help and she seemed to embarrassed and said no and took off anyway he calls 911 and the police show up and he talks to them on the phone, they had the woman who had knocked over the younger woman and they said it couldn't have possibly been her because she has been nothing but polite to us and they let her go.Why bother having police down there seems to be the takeaway.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Vin

I don't get why hospital security can't ask those smokers to leave or face police arrest. It is illegal, after all. I reckon toxic fumes around are not going to be dandy for those who are hospitalized too. It is just pure laziness rather than being "liberal" when actions are not taken.

we have to respect peoples lifestyles and life choices these days.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

we have to respect peoples lifestyles and life choices these days.

And pay their bills and living expenses.