Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

This is what you posted, your own words:



You can't define woke, and you can't say how Conservative policies will help all the problems you see.

Do you not see that even the Liberals or NDP hold conservative values as well? Geez. You are such an extremist.

[Conrad Yablonski]

I hate it when St Paul's emergency is full of police I stumbled upon it like that once while being treated and it was Not Fun At All.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Vin

This comes from someone who is friends with criminals. GO figure.

Never said the mayor is "tough on crime", so stop putting words in my mouth. Before the election, I specifically said that the NPA candidate, being an ex-Manchester Bobby, seemed more like someone who would be tougher on crime.

All I know is that ABC's sweep on disorderliness is bringing out all the desperate addicts and criminals to commit more crime. All the more showing that these are not good people and deserve to be in jail.

However, provincial/federal judicial system is still soft on criminals, and the courts need to stop bailing out criminals.

Vin, this is enough. You can stop at any time now.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Vin

All negative, eh?

If these are the only things you know about Canada's past, then you really belong to the brainwashed "Woke" crowd.

There are a lot more positive facets that created the foundations of this country that are never mentioned in the world of Woke media. These are what made Canada one of the most respected countries in the world. However, the current generation seems to only focus on "the sins of the past", and even try to erode some of the older values that held individual as well as the collective to a good sense of civil responsibility as well as consciousness. These values should apply to everyone, not just to those who actually contribute to the society.

They aren't the only things that happened in Canada's past, and I never claimed that they were. They are some of the things that have happened in the past, and the consequences of those things continue to echo through our society today. We need to work to acknowledge that these things did happen, and people were hurt, and people continue to hurt from those actions today, and we need to do work to help heal those people.

By the way, you never answered: in your words, what does 'woke' mean?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

They aren't the only things that happened in Canada's past, and I never claimed that they were. They are some of the things that have happened in the past, and the consequences of those things continue to echo through our society today. We need to work to acknowledge that these things did happen, and people were hurt, and people continue to hurt from those actions today, and we need to do work to help heal those people.

By the way, you never answered: in your words, what does 'woke' mean?

We were talking about "the Canada we used to know", and the 4 or 5 negative items you mentioned were definitely not what defined the greatness of this country. The way you brought them up while conveniently ignoring the lots of positive aspects spoke a lot about your bias.

In today's world, a lot of money and resources are pouring into individuals who are not necessarily "victims" of Canada's past wrongs, but a lot due to personal greed, laziness and irresponsibility: in other words there are many bad folks out there who are just milking the system. The 'honour system' that used to define this country is no longer valid, as there are way too many opportunists, including criminal elements, taking advantage of loopholes in the system. We as tax payers should be prioritizing where we need to place our sympathy and hard-earned resources: into things that should be benefitting to the society as a whole. Unfortunately, in many cases we are simply squandering everything by producing worsening results.

There are plenty of places online where you can search what "woke" or "virtue signalling" mean. I am sure your googling capability isn't quite the impediment that you like others to imagine.

[Feathered Friend]

What a way to spend a wedding anniversary - dinner, a movie, & getting bear maced by three little rich wannabes looking for trouble on the Canada Line.

Yes, the police were contacted, & yes they have an uncensored version of the photo.
No, we weren't the primary target. Like several others on the train, we were just innocent bystanders who were hit as well.

To end on a positive note, the Super Mario Brothers movie is really good, a high recommend for anyone looking for a solid dose of nostalgia.

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1668132992341123072?s=20

So how did your weekend go?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Meh, I think Across the Spiderverse was better.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1668132992341123072?s=20

So how did your weekend go?

Oh man that sucks. What a way to have these little douches ruin your anniversary!

[Feathered Friend]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Meh, I think Across the Spiderverse was better.

I've heard a lot of good things about it! It's on our list right after Guardians 3, though we might just catch that on Disney Plus.

Originally Posted by whatnext

Oh man that sucks. What a way to have these little douches ruin your anniversary!

Ah, I wouldn't give them that much credit. We got an interesting story out of it, and learned the modern gift to celebrate three years of marriage is apparently capsaicin. Seriously, it would have been nice if they had been caught, but there's little chance of that happening.

[Migrant_Coconut]

If you haven't seen the previous Spiderverse, I suggest you two do that first; if you have, great news - they pulled it off again. Spoiler: that bagel really hit the spot.

As for Guardians, it's... okayish? Think the MCU kinda peaked after Endgame.

[jollyburger]

Surprising news.

#VPDScanner: An 81 yr old man was allegedly attacked by a stranger at 8 pm on Saturday in East Van. A witness followed the suspect until he was arrested.
Johnson Vilayvanh, 38, charged with assault causing bodily harm, & assault for allegedly throwing a rock at the witness.

https://twitter.com/VancouverPD/status/1668370965590597646

August 2021

Man charged in two unprovoked attacks in Marpole

Vancouver police have arrested a 36-year-old man for two random assaults in Marpole, including one against a senior.

Police say the two victims were near Ontario Street and Southeast Marine Drive at around 3 p.m. on Monday when they were assaulted in an unprovoked attack.

Police allege a man approached a 37-year-old man and punched him in the face before going after a 65-year-old man, punching him in the head and wrestling him to the ground. Bystanders came to the aid of the older man and called police. Officers arrested a suspect at the scene.

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/man-charged-in-two-unprovoked-attacks-in-marpole

[whatnext]

The daily sh!tshow:

Someone is throwing things from 10th floor of a Vancouver building
DH Vancouver Staff
Jun 12 2023

Vancouver police have closed off a major intersection on the Downtown Eastside as someone is throwing objects from a 10th floor suite.

At least one report on Twitter suggested someone threw a TV out of a window, on East Hastings between Columbia and Carrall Streets, but that detail has not been confirmed by police....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/dtes-vancouver-police-incident

[whatnext]

Enjoy your shopping experience, just don't buy too much:

"Somebody stole them all": No carts at Yaletown grocer stuns customer
Megan Devlin|
Jun 13 2023, 1:26 pm

Urban Fare's Yaletown location (Beth Rochester/Daily Hive)
Some Vancouver grocery customers may face an additional frustration next time they shop: a lack of carts.

Yaletown grocery store Urban Fare was completely out of carts this weekend when Vancouver broadcaster Lynda Steele went shopping, and she said it’s the fourth weekend in a row there were no carts available.

The explanation for the lack of carts? Even more shocking.

Steele told Daily Hive that when she brought it up to the cashier, the young worker said there weren’t any buggies available because they had all been stolen....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/stolen-grocery-carts-yaletown-grocery-store

[jollyburger]

When you try to attach tent removal with random drug gang violence. Hot takes from the DTES.

“Since the street sweeps, a bunch of chaos has ensued. … Anytime you create chaos in the Downtown Eastside, it seems like there’s violence attached to it because it destabilizes everything,” Blyth said. “Stirring up the issues in the Downtown Eastside made way for even more violent folks to come in.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/more...wn-eastside-since-montreal-gang-moved-in

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

When you try to attach tent removal with random drug gang violence. Hot takes from the DTES.



https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/more...wn-eastside-since-montreal-gang-moved-in

Sarah Blythe is hardly an unbiased source.

[Vin]

Quote from above article:

Stirring up the issues in the Downtown Eastside made way for even more violent folks to come in

Classic BS without the "how" or "why". What's stopping the violent folks from coming in when the tents were still in place? People were not less fearful of DTES even before the tents were removed. Fact is, he government has created a breeding environment for criminals and gangs to grow at the DTES for decades. Time to send these folks to the "gulags", and make sure they stay there for a very long time.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Literally the next paragraph:

Dealers in the neighbourhood have traditionally been “substance users and local people who are part of the community in different ways,” Blyth said. “You upset the applecart too much, then violence erupts. It’s just something that happens. We’re not only dealing with overdoses, now we’re dealing with extreme violence.”

If Aaron Gunn is considered to be a reliable, objective source of information, somebody who literally works full time in the DTES should be even more so. Seems like ABC never actually made sure Hastings stayed clean despite saying they would - they just patted themselves on the back and ducked off to do who knows what.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Literally the next paragraph:

If Aaron Gunn is considered to be a reliable, objective source of information, somebody who literally works full time in the DTES should be even more so. Seems like ABC never actually made sure Hastings stayed clean despite saying they would - they just patted themselves on the back and ducked off to do who knows what.

And if they sent a bunch of VPD members there to ensure safety Sarah Blyth would be the first to be moaning about an overbearing police presence.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Never said she wouldn't. Clearly however, it's a lot more complicated than "no tents = no problem."

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Never said she wouldn't. Clearly however, it's a lot more complicated than "no tents = no problem."

Fires are down substantially.