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Old Posted Jun 18, 2023, 11:26 PM
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The obvious move would be reducing the AIM presence to 'outbound only' and relocate the rest of it to an industrial park with rail access. The port's 'secret plan' is 6-7 cranes overall and I dunno where else they would go. Build a whole new pier between the ferry terminal and AIM?

Maybe part of the deal with SJ to develop Long Wharf would be a refurbishment of Lower Cove (plus extension of it over the sugar refinery site) into a more active piece of port infrastructure. It would not be too difficult to reconnect rail access to it.

I wonder if AIM has a long-term lease or if the port could get them out if they wanted to? The shredding/processing part of their operation really would be better moved somewhere well away from residential areas.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 12:23 AM
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I wonder if AIM has a long-term lease or if the port could get them out if they wanted to? The shredding/processing part of their operation really would be better moved somewhere well away from residential areas.
AIM signed a 40-year lease on the space in 2002.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 1:02 AM
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172 City Line on the westside is for sale. Being advertised as a great opportunity for a 30-40 unit residential retrofit, plus potential for 8-10 townhomes off of Lancaster Street.

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/25718681/172-city-line-saint-john

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"Located in the coastal city of Saint John, NB perched on 1.5 acres with a 360 degree view which includes but not limited too the Saint John river, Uptown, Port SJ and the Bay of Fundy to name a few. Though not designated heritage, this 1924 40,000 sq ft building in beaux art style (and the modern addition added in the 80s) was Saint Patricks school until its closing in 2014. With its majestic stone construction, copper accents, slate stairs, handcrafted hardwood, mosaic flooring and granite entrance, this would make for an incredible 30-40 unit residential retrofit with plenty of parking in addition to adding potentially 8-10 townhouse off Lancaster (subject to approval). Zoned Integrated Development which allows for a variety of options to convert this unique building into a positive revenue stream. Current demand for residential housing has the city planning department eager to work with those that can meet this challenge as hundreds of millions dollars is pour into the SJ waterfront development projects and Port SJ . Sold As Is Where Is. All measurements and claims to be verified by the buyer. We look forward to you being a part of shaping the last waterfront city in Canada thats still affordable. (25806401)."
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 12:38 PM
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172 City Line on the westside is for sale. Being advertised as a great opportunity for a 30-40 unit residential retrofit, plus potential for 8-10 townhomes off of Lancaster Street.

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/25718681/172-city-line-saint-john
Between this and the old St. Vincent's school, we've got a lot of classic school availability for pennies right now.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Between this and the old St. Vincent's school, we've got a lot of classic school availability for pennies right now.
Is St Vincent's actually for sale? The years of plans for affordable housing, to which it was ill-suited (10' hallways and large rooms), have left it in quite a state IIRC.

IIRC St Pat's was closed for 'structural issues,' what happened to those? Or was that just part of the 2010s school consolidation thing?

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19-27 Cliff Street is for sale. A new listing on Realtor.ca is advertising it as a great multiple purpose development opportunity.

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/25723431/19-27-cliff-street-saint-john

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 3:09 PM
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These recent developments in the port and rail service through Saint John are certainly good news. Although, I haven't seen any estimates about the impact on actual employment numbers.

Way back in the days of the 'winter port" I think I've read there were something like several thousand employed at the port during the height of the season. Of course in those days cargo handling was hugely labour intensive and ships were often docked for days on end. You'd also see numerous vessels anchored off the port waiting for a slip to open. As a kid I remember listening to CFBC before going to school in the morning and they would always announce the hiring needs of the port for that day for longshoreman ( numbers of different sized "gangs", number of lift jack operators, numbers of checkers etc)
The 'winter port' was great for the city but it was gone with the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway and 24/7 ice breaking services on the St Lawrence. That was the mid-late 1950's and container shipping was virtually unheard of. Montreal has now maxed out it's container ship capacity (6000 TEUs) as shipping companies are building way beyond 6000 TEUs for efficiency.

Since nothing has changed for the PSJ container terminal since 2017 (the container terminal is still at 125K capacity) every increase made has been based on historic infrastructure capability, current performance, and future potential. Essentially everything is still "under construction".

When the second set of cranes are working for a calendar year and we have some data to process, we can look at this again.

With that understanding:
Counting only labour jobs directly at the container terminal in 2022 - 314,000 well paid hours with a positive future outlook. That is the equivalent of ~157 full time jobs. That is significantly higher than every year in recent history.

The trickle down effect of that is some multiple of 157+ full time jobs in all the transportation industries as well as added employment overall.

The entirety of the gains made so far is a result of shippers realizing the potential of Saint John as a destination port. That confidence is a result of good port management as well as the port's response to extenuating circumstances in 2021 that pushed the container terminal to it's limits, and then beyond. 2022 was 26K TEUs, or 21% above capacity. Those events were not in the plan but the response proved we could deliver above the advertised performance levels.

800K TEUs is over 5 times what was processed in 2022. This is only my lay person estimate but I think 1M+ hours is in the ballpark. That is the equivalent of 500+ good full time jobs with ancillary jobs being some multiple of that.

On top of that, when one business moves here because of the container port, you can start adding all those jobs as well.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 7:01 PM
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Here are a couple of videos displaying the work being done on the CSX railroad just outside of Mattawamkeag, Maine. There is no audio, I'm guessing because it was from a trailcam w/no mic, but the video is very good otherwise.

This is within a mile of the end of the CSX mainline so I am assuming that the interchange tracks with EMR/NBSR are at the same stage of progress.

This is pretty impressive considering where this was just a few months ago.

https://youtu.be/Y8j2sHaNwIg

The second video shows that they are at least able to get a real train in there.

https://youtu.be/zKdhXWeuIms

I guess you could say that the port is creating jobs in the US also.

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Here are a couple of videos displaying the work being done on the CSX railroad just outside of Mattawamkeag, Maine. There is no audio, I'm guessing because it was from a trailcam w/no mic, but the video is very good otherwise.

This is within a mile of the end of the CSX mainline so I am assuming that the interchange tracks with EMR/NBSR are at the same stage of progress.

This is pretty impressive considering where this was just a few months ago.

https://youtu.be/Y8j2sHaNwIg

The second video shows that they are at least able to get a real train in there.

https://youtu.be/zKdhXWeuIms

I guess you could say that the port is creating jobs in the US also.
Thanks ! So what will max speed be then once done?
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Anyone heard of new development possibly coming soon to Ropewalk Road?

I've heard rumors that the former Crescent Valley and Saint Pius X Schools building on Ropewalk Road will be demolished. The Somerset Preschool is already moving to a new home at the Portland United Church, (50 Newport Crescent), up the hill. And the Covid Assessment Center has already closed and is gone. So new development must be coming very soon for the property?
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 10:50 PM
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Anyone heard of new development possibly coming soon to Ropewalk Road?

I've heard rumors that the former Crescent Valley and Saint Pius X Schools building on Ropewalk Road will be demolished. The Somerset Preschool is already moving to a new home at the Portland United Church, (50 Newport Crescent), up the hill. And the Covid Assessment Center has already closed and is gone. So new development must be coming very soon for the property?
Yes all the tenants received their notice to leave. I expect we’ll hear sometime this year, maybe even in July’s PAC which someone mentioned is supposed to be an action packed one.
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Between the hundreds of units approved up on the hill off Technology Drive, and the Ropewalk Development, I really see that area as the major growth centre of SJ in the next few years
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2023, 6:08 AM
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There is a sign on the fence of Fundy Quay for an engineering firm (forget name) looking for engineers: “work on this site”. Not sure if they are referring to the public plaza or the private development. Anyone know? Seems to be late in the game for engineers for public portion ….
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Paula posted this - steepleview would be one of them, other 3???

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Old Posted Jun 20, 2023, 12:29 PM
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I'm pretty sure mine is not included and that's another 23 affordable (and 22 non-). We got a bit of seed funding from CMHC, but we're for-profit. Still on track for September start.

I assume 2 the 4 are Steepleview, and the one by the Garrison behind St. John the Baptist. IIRC Steepleview is 50 affordable and the Broadview/Carmarthen is 40 affordable, so maybe the others aren't that big. No market component to either.

Is there something over north I'm forgetting about? Or am I mistaken?

On another note, I'm genuinely surprised to see the Aquarius development happening... like, at all, but let alone before anything uptown has gotten going.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2023, 1:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure mine is not included and that's another 23 affordable (and 22 non-). We got a bit of seed funding from CMHC, but we're for-profit. Still on track for September start.

I assume 2 the 4 are Steepleview, and the one by the Garrison behind St. John the Baptist. IIRC Steepleview is 50 affordable and the Broadview/Carmarthen is 40 affordable, so maybe the others aren't that big. No market component to either.

Is there something over north I'm forgetting about? Or am I mistaken?

On another note, I'm genuinely surprised to see the Aquarius development happening... like, at all, but let alone before anything uptown has gotten going.
Newport Cres maybe? In regards to AQ, there is a huge demand for higher end apartments on west side. Some west siders would never consider going across the bridge. “Once a west sider, always a west sider” is the expression. The guy doing the multi units off of Church Ave - they are spoken for before construction even starts.
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There is a sign on the fence of Fundy Quay for an engineering firm (forget name) looking for engineers: “work on this site”. Not sure if they are referring to the public plaza or the private development. Anyone know? Seems to be late in the game for engineers for public portion ….
If it’s an orange sign than it’s Terrax and it’s been there for a while and it would be for the public plaza. Do you remember the color?
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If it’s an orange sign than it’s Terrax and it’s been there for a while and it would be for the public plaza. Do you remember the color?
Yea that’s it. Another glimmer of hope quashed lol
Meanwhile Moncton getting 30 story building - why can’t we get Moncton developers on a bus, tour them around. They seem to gets things done almost instantly
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It seems that the developers up there have deeper pockets, are able to put together the financial means however more importantly this points to confidence in the economy of that city now and in the future. Obviously not so much in SJ.
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It seems that the developers up there have deeper pockets, are able to put together the financial means however more importantly this points to confidence in the economy of that city now and in the future. Obviously not so much in SJ.
No. We just have DP World, CPKC, JDI, CSX, all levels of government spending years of time and billions of dollars investing in foundational infrastructure development that puts Saint John on the world trade routes with a wide open potential for the future. I wouldn't trade that for a line up of property developers across the entire city. Especially when it comes to promises made, promises kept. Which do you think has the greater potential?

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