Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Migrant_Coconut]

Definitely a lot more street people and ambulances, but noise? Loud hobos are a problem everywhere in the core regardless of how much or little social housing is present... and the area's next to the Fir Ramp, so it'll never not be noisy.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Conservative "policies" can change "woke culture"? How, pray tell?

Also please explain what "woke" means in your own words.

You're one good example.

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

The video has the same issues many of your posts on this forum do: it over relies on anecdotes and regards the past through rose-colored glasses. Canada (and Vancouver) have many problems, but they have always had problems, and to say either is dying is hyperbolic and lacks any nuance.



Take a visit to Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, or any rural prairie city. Conservative governments haven't saved them from drugs and homelessness, although perhaps cheaper real estate and poorer weather means the unhoused are less visible.

If we want to talk specific policies, Poilievre's solution for repeat offenders is denying bail which is unconstitutional and would never be actually implemented.

True that every place has its own share of problems, but difference is how the situations are handled. There are places that flourish and have their problems lessened when good policies are in place. We are having worsening situations year by year. The ABC government is finally trying to tackle the problem but the rot is now so deep.

True there are homeless situations in Calgary, but nothing compared to what we have here, and certainly no equivalence of "Downtown Eastside" there.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by Vin

[...] When it comes to the Woke culture in cities, I think certain Conservative policies work better.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Conservative "policies" can change "woke culture"? How, pray tell?

Also please explain what "woke" means in your own words.

Originally Posted by Vin

You're one good example.

Vin, as you are the one throwing around the term, I think it's up to you to define what you mean by "Woke culture".

Ryan Newman, Ron DeSantis’s general counsel, was forced to testify in Federal court that the governor uses the term to refer to “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.” (Washington Post December 5th, 2022 - Archive.is).

And you?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Vin, as you are the one throwing around the term, I think it's up to you to define what you mean by "Woke culture".

Ryan Newman, Ron DeSantis’s general counsel, was forced to testify in Federal court that the governor uses the term to refer to “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.” (Washington Post December 5th, 2022 - Archive.is).

And you?

Pray tell what are the injustices we are all experiencing here? Stop adopting all the problems in the US and pretend that we are them, and perhaps we will once again be the Canada we all used to know.

GOLDSTEIN: Canada’s soft on crime philosophy began five decades ago
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnist...-crime-philosophy-began-five-decades-ago

What the Conservatives are for today:

Conservatives Call for Trudeau to Crack Down on Dangerous Criminals, Not Law-Abiding Canadians
https://www.conservative.ca/conservative...ous-criminals-not-law-abiding-canadians/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

You're one good example.

LOL, so you have no clue and parrot what you hear from whatever echo chamber you're in.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Pray tell what are the injustices we are all experiencing here? Stop adopting all the problems in the US and pretend that we are them, and perhaps we will once again be the Canada we all used to know.

Make Canada Great Again! You're harkening back to a time period when you weren't even alive.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Make Canada Great Again! You're harkening back to a time period when you weren't even alive.

Narrowest of minds link all similar sounding names with the word "Conservative" to Trump & the GOP. I really can't fathom how many in Canada have an "American Siege Mentality". No wonder some of our cities, such as Vancouver, are turning into American ones.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Narrowest of minds link all similar sounding names with the word "Conservative" to Trump & the GOP. I really can't fathom how many in Canada have an "American Siege Mentality". No wonder some of our cities, such as Vancouver, are turning into American ones.

This is what you posted, your own words:

Originally Posted by Vin

perhaps we will once again be the Canada we all used to know.

You can't define woke, and you can't say how Conservative policies will help all the problems you see.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Last year, we had a convoy of angry rednecks shut down the Canadian capital and trigger the first use of the Emergencies Act since '88; many of them were MAGA Americans trying to get like-minded Canadians "to unite as brothers and sisters."
This year, we have a Conservative leader who supported the convoy, and believes WEF conspiracies. We also have a recently-reelected premier in Alberta who thinks said protestors and the unvaccinated are "the most discriminated group" in her lifetime, and who wants to forcibly annex parts of BC to gain a Pacific port.

The homeless are a problem. The Make Canada Great Again crowd - which includes Smith and Polly Oliver - is an existential domestic threat. Aligning with the latter because they might "do something" about the former (they won't) is pants-on-head stupid.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Vin

Stop adopting all the problems in the US and pretend that we are them, and perhaps we will once again be the Canada we all used to know.

"The Canada we all used to know" included residential schools, violent union busting, Japanese internment, head taxes, forbidding British citizens from landing on our shores, eugenics, Asiatic Exclusion League...

If being "woke" means we acknowledge that these harmful things existed in Canada, the effects of them continue to echo through our society, and we should take steps to reduce those effects today, then by all means I'm "woke".

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Buddy came into his shop on the 300 block of Victoria and found someone took something to a half dozen of the glass blocks in his front window.
He's not bothering with insurance this time because it's not worth the rate hike. This is now the second time in a year he's been vandalized, versus 0 broken windows in the last 14 years they've been there.

We've escalated yet again.
After installing new metal grating over the windows two weeks ago we get notifications this morning of a fire alarm. Someone comes down the street, empties a jerry can into the gated entrance, lights it and runs off.



We cannot think of anyone who has been pissed off with bad service but at the same time we've had to deal with more damage in six months than we've seen in 15 years.

[SpongeG]

that's crazy MIPS, seems like there are a lot of angry people these days. I just glanced at an article of a guy who was released from custody for robbery and within hours was stealing again, this was somewhere else in Canada, not Vancouver but, with so many stories like this and no consequences people feel like they can do anything and do.

[whatnext]

Welcome to Vancouver dear business owner:

'Support local': B.C. boutique owner urges after break-in
a boutique store front boarded up after a break-in
By Raynaldo Suarez and Emily Marsten
Posted May 31, 2023, 12:18PM PDT.Last Updated May 31, 2023, 12:19PM PDT.

The owner of a Vancouver boutique says she was moments away from closing her business after she says it was broken into just two months after she opened the location.

The owner of Mila and Paige, Anita Dunn, says she got a frantic call from an employee on Thursday morning describing the scene at her Main Street store.

“There were many witnesses, cars were honking at [her], people on the street were yelling at her to stop, but obviously no one’s going to want to interfere. So, a lot of people came to the store after we had opened at 11 o’clock and let us know what happened,” she said...

Dunn has been in business for some time in New Westminster and recently expanded her business to a second location in Mount Pleasant.

“I have one of those rolling gates in front of the window. She smashed the window but she couldn’t get in, so she just reached her arm through the gate and grabbed a couple of purses and a blouse off the mannequin,” she said.....

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/05/31/vancouver-botique-break-in/

[giallo]

Anyone have any more information on what exactly happened in the DTES yesterday afternoon? There were gunshots followed by a bunch of arrests. Apparently, whatever happened spilled over to St. Paul's as police had guns drawn there as well. Traffic was an absolute mess

I'm thinking it's the annual summer gang warfare that starts around this time every year, but this seems like it was a bit more than that.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by giallo

Anyone have any more information on what exactly happened in the DTES yesterday afternoon? There were gunshots followed by a bunch of arrests. Apparently, whatever happened spilled over to St. Paul's as police had guns drawn there as well. Traffic was an absolute mess

I'm thinking it's the annual summer gang warfare that starts around this time every year, but this seems like it was a bit more than that.

Given the area, probably just another crazy.

Vancouver police investigating 'serious assaults' in the DTES
Multiple police officers are seen standing in front of a building with other people.
The Vancouver Police Department says it is investigating serious assaults that took place on the Downtown Eastside Thursday afternoon. (Image via Twitter with permission)
By James Paracy and Robyn Crawford
Posted Jun 1, 2023, 6:12PM PDT.Last Updated Jun 2, 2023, 8:09AM PDT.

Police were in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside investigating “a number of serious assaults” through Thursday afternoon and evening.

As a result, East Hastings was shut down between Carrall Street and Main Street until just after 9:30 p.m., when TransLink resumed bus travel in the area.....
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/06/01/vancouver-downtown-eastside-police/

[WarrenC12]

Somebody shot two people. Non life threatening injuries, but the gun was the reason the area was shutdown I would guess.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Somebody shot two people. Non life threatening injuries, but the gun was the reason the area was shutdown I would guess.

Two people were shot in what was described as a 'targeted shooting' and eight people were arrested, (but released pending further investigation), so there seems to have been a bit more to it. As nobody has been held in custody, presumably they didn't catch whoever was shooting (unclear if there was one, or more involved). Giallo's supposition seems to be accurate - local commentary called it a 'gang-related shooting'

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What would you like? You got your "tough on crime" Mayor, why isn't it working?!?!?!

This comes from someone who is friends with criminals. GO figure.

Never said the mayor is "tough on crime", so stop putting words in my mouth. Before the election, I specifically said that the NPA candidate, being an ex-Manchester Bobby, seemed more like someone who would be tougher on crime.

All I know is that ABC's sweep on disorderliness is bringing out all the desperate addicts and criminals to commit more crime. All the more showing that these are not good people and deserve to be in jail.

However, provincial/federal judicial system is still soft on criminals, and the courts need to stop bailing out criminals.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

"The Canada we all used to know" included residential schools, violent union busting, Japanese internment, head taxes, forbidding British citizens from landing on our shores, eugenics, Asiatic Exclusion League...

If being "woke" means we acknowledge that these harmful things existed in Canada, the effects of them continue to echo through our society, and we should take steps to reduce those effects today, then by all means I'm "woke".

All negative, eh?

If these are the only things you know about Canada's past, then you really belong to the brainwashed "Woke" crowd.

There are a lot more positive facets that created the foundations of this country that are never mentioned in the world of Woke media. These are what made Canada one of the most respected countries in the world. However, the current generation seems to only focus on "the sins of the past", and even try to erode some of the older values that held individual as well as the collective to a good sense of civil responsibility as well as consciousness. These values should apply to everyone, not just to those who actually contribute to the society.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

This comes from someone who is friends with criminals. GO figure.

Who me? Which criminals are my known associates?