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Old Posted Mar 23, 2023, 2:11 AM
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Guessing that due to view cones one shouldn’t get too excited for any potential redevelopment here?
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2023, 6:33 PM
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I think you should be expecting proposals that challenge the "current" view cones.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2023, 8:12 PM
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I think you should be expecting proposals that challenge the "current" view cones.
Viewcone "A" - Alder Terrace to Mt. Seymour.

Doesn't that already permit 272 feet on the west side and 297 of the east side?

Wonder what the public amenity / goods are on offer to breach it.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2023, 10:25 PM
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A ton of market rental and the usual CAC cash grab would probably do the trick.

I get the impression that projects offering rental, hotel, or commercial will get a lot more leeway to push boundaries than previously under this council.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2023, 12:04 AM
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I think you should be expecting proposals that challenge the "current" view cones.
It would be a good step in the right direction, but with view cones as limiting as under 300ft. a proposal would need to be at least around double the limit to have any half decent height to it.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2023, 12:19 AM
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I'm guessing it's less since Boffo's Smithe project across the street was limited to 26 stories. Unless they get some exception.
I was just going by my condo building which is 29 storeys.
I think the Smithe has taller 9' ceiling heights.

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Still owned by kingswood.

This is very interesting timing for this building to end up in the rumour thread and that's all I'm going to say about that...
There goes my view.
Hopefully, they'll limit shading onto Yaletown Park

The block might work for a hotel - close to the stadium and Yaletown.
The condo tower at 930 Cambie was originally supposed to be a hotel, from what I've heard.

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I was just going by my condo building which is 29 storeys.
I think the Smithe has taller 9' ceiling heights.



There goes my view.
Hopefully, they'll limit shading onto Yaletown Park

The block might work for a hotel - close to the stadium and Yaletown.
The condo tower at 930 Cambie was originally supposed to be a hotel, from what I've heard.
Hotels are a hot commodity these days. I can't believe how many projects I'm seeing where developers want to include large-scale hotel components.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2023, 4:02 PM
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Hotels are a hot commodity these days. I can't believe how many projects I'm seeing where developers want to include large-scale hotel components.
Well apparently downtown Vancouver needs an additional 2,000 rooms by 2030, so it makes sense developers are including them.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2023, 4:28 PM
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It's one of the few things I liked about Burnabys zoning/policy. I haven't worked with them for a while, but from what I recall there are a lot of areas where density can essentially stack.

Like a site may allow for 4 Residential FAR, 2 Office FAR, and 1 Hotel FAR. You couldnt ever get 7 FAR of only Residential, but if you chose to maximize each of those uses you could potentially get 7 FAR total. I believe its how they got a decent amount of Office into the Solo district.

If a developer has a choice between Office or Hotel and residential density, they're almost always going to choose residential. But if the density for the Office/Hotel is essentially a free bonus, there's a better chance that it will be added to the project.
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It's one of the few things I liked about Burnabys zoning/policy. I haven't worked with them for a while, but from what I recall there are a lot of areas where density can essentially stack.

Like a site may allow for 4 Residential FAR, 2 Office FAR, and 1 Hotel FAR. You couldnt ever get 7 FAR of only Residential, but if you chose to maximize each of those uses you could potentially get 7 FAR total. I believe its how they got a decent amount of Office into the Solo district.

If a developer has a choice between Office or Hotel and residential density, they're almost always going to choose residential. But if the density for the Office/Hotel is essentially a free bonus, there's a better chance that it will be added to the project.
It's kind of similar in the CBD in Vancouver, but these days only where there's also heritage preservation as well. The difference is that the base commercial zoning has to be built as commercial space before the residential can be added. So Shangri-La has the hotel, and the preservation of the Coastal Church, and there's an office building underneath both TheJameson and the Residences at Hotel Georgia. It was how the early version of The Post was able to have residential too.

The downside of the policy is that before the rules were tightened under the Metro Core Employment Plan, some developers were just building the residential, with maybe a token retail unit. The same is true in Burnaby, many projects are leaving the commercial space unbuilt, or with a modest amount, rather than putting in hotel or office space, although that seems to have changed with several recent projects. Once it's a strata tower, it probably won't see a commercial potential added, (except if it becomes a hotel, as Onni are proposing on Seymour Street).
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2023, 5:08 PM
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This may be a bit off topic, but this is the main reason I absolutely loath the townhouse developments going up in Surrey and Langley. I don't necessarily dislike the form, but because they're all stratified, there's zero chance commercial ever gets introduced into these areas. And when there's blocks and blocks of them with nothing breaking them up, these areas will never have a chance to be walkable. At least single family suburbs have a chance to change and evolve thanks to individual ownership.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Surrey...9.1913466!4d-122.8490125!16zL20vMDE3ajd5

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Surrey...9.1913466!4d-122.8490125!16zL20vMDE3ajd5

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Surrey...9.1913466!4d-122.8490125!16zL20vMDE3ajd5
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It's one of the few things I liked about Burnabys zoning/policy. I haven't worked with them for a while, but from what I recall there are a lot of areas where density can essentially stack.

Like a site may allow for 4 Residential FAR, 2 Office FAR, and 1 Hotel FAR. You couldnt ever get 7 FAR of only Residential, but if you chose to maximize each of those uses you could potentially get 7 FAR total. I believe its how they got a decent amount of Office into the Solo district.

If a developer has a choice between Office or Hotel and residential density, they're almost always going to choose residential. But if the density for the Office/Hotel is essentially a free bonus, there's a better chance that it will be added to the project.
One problem, though, is that in almost every case of a hotel and condos sharing common expenses, there's a lawsuit.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2023, 2:37 AM
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Just noticed some concepts by Gair Williamson

Vancouver Film Hub - I assume it's that COV works yard on Evans in the False Creek Flats.

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The project is a feasibility study, programming exercise, and a schematic design proposal for a 150,000sf industrial property. The scheme includes retail and car dealerships at grade, and media production companies above.
https://www.damilee.com/real/vancouver-film-hub





https://www.gwarchitects.ca/vancouver-film-hub/jsdxgzxe6wf12nxfwus9gzldxi1sr8

Some addition to heritage building in Gastown (328 Water Street) for Salient (2014)





https://www.gwarchitects.ca/328-water-street/js16icpib49gjhcn32rba4k9rhoqnf

1205 East Hastings





https://www.gwarchitects.ca/1205-east-hastings/h9os3cokfv35j5qwstqgkbztvxg7zh

Assume most of them are dead projects but still fun to see.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2023, 2:55 AM
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Vancouver Film Hub - I assume it's that COV works yard on Evans in the False Creek Flats.
Yeah, with the kink in the rail line it looks like the lot west of Begg which is part of the VIA yard I believe.


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1205 East Hastings
And Mondivan has a blank page for [mostly] the same lots.
https://www.mondivan.ca/12251245-e-hastings
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2023, 5:07 AM
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I think they're all dead, or speculative projects. The Salient one certainly was dropped. (They seem to be working in Victoria's Chinatown these days).

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Yeah, with the kink in the rail line it looks like the lot west of Begg which is part of the VIA yard I believe.
The Film Hub and car dealership building would have been on 675 Evans, which has been vacant for many years, and is for sale.

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And Mondivan has a blank page for [mostly] the same lots.
https://www.mondivan.ca/12251245-e-hastings
The complete site would be 1205-1245 E Hastings. 1235-1245 is the eastern half of the site, and is an old funeral home that Mondivan bought in 2016 for $5.7m. 1205 that still has the Ferry Market awning is also a commisary kitchen, and 1225 is Macdonald Poultry & Meat Supplies, and I think they're still operating there despite the plywood on the 2nd floor windows.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2023, 11:00 AM
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Oh, that's right, Salient was big on Gastown and DTES.
I saw a story about an owner in the Paris Block or Annex that mentioned the strata there contemplated dissolving to sell the building.
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Hey guys remember the Bing Thom Crystal from way back when?

Well it's back.... sorta, and in a different location.
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Old Posted May 26, 2023, 12:21 AM
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That was the Hotel Georgia tower proposal?
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Old Posted May 26, 2023, 12:24 AM
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Yep.
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Old Posted May 26, 2023, 12:25 AM
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Hey guys remember the Bing Thom Crystal from way back when?

Well it's back.... sorta, and in a different location.
Sweet Jesus please and thank you

I absolutely loved that one.

Also, I feel old now, thanks
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