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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 3:57 AM
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Thank you for the link.

To compare the NL-Labrador link to the Confederation Bridge seems folly, as that was a inter-provincial link in a reasonably densely populated region that was delivered on-budget ($1.3b). As a inter-provincial project and Constitutionally mandated link, the federal government had exclusive domain, and the net effect was enhanced mobility and improved economy of the whole province of PEI.

As the NL/Labrador one would be intra-province, the federal government would likely be less interested in going full out on the cost and likely would require substantial investment by the province. Given that the last major project the province took on nearly caused it to default, the optics of saddling the province with more debt for a project of seriously questionable value would seem poor.

For unity of Canada, another 'gift' on the same scale of Muskrat Falls would be akin to throwing a drowning person a concrete lifejacket.
It could be argued that it will be inter provincial as it would be close to Quebec. And lets be honest, if Quebec ever said they wanted it, it would be approved.

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Hey BC. This is how you build a proper highway. They seem to have forgotten how to build one after the Coq.
Much easier when you are not on the side of a mountain range.
Oh, and didn't the Coq have a problem when some rain fell?
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 9:05 AM
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maybe something will be done for Vancouver Island too.
There will never be a fixed link between Vancouver Island and the mainland, not possible financially or technically. Strait is far too deep and wide, and it would need to allow ships to pass. It would also sit on a fault line. It would also need to be shut down in stormy weather just like the ferries, which kinda negates the point.

Storm-force winds (89-102 km/h) are a yearly occurrence on the Georgia Strait.

Lastly, a lot of people on VI don't actually want a fixed link. It keeps out the riff raff.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 9:06 AM
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Would you say that the Confederation Bridge was a bad idea?

All major islands should have a fixed link to the mainland if possible.This is possible for the island of Newfoundland. One day, maybe something will be done for Vancouver Island too.
It would likely be used by truckers, as coming from Montreal it would only be 100ish km longer. Even if the ferry wasn't delayed and you didn't have to slow down from highway speed until you parked on it, a fixed route through Labrador and down the Great Northern Peninsula would cut 5-6 hours off the current route.

But for regular people... it's just too far to go. Your destination would have to be Montreal or west for it to make sense, so it's really only applicable to that tiny percentage of travelers doing some sort of cross-country roadtrip.

This seems to be the dominant view in St. John's:

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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 9:40 AM
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Sheesh, the contractors look like ants in that photo.
By the way, where can I find the detailed design or technical document for KHC phase 4?
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 1:11 PM
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My guess is this would be mainly a federal project. That would mean that Canada would be stuck with it. Mind you, what is wrong with that? We have been stuck with many worse blunders.



That is promising. So, if the federal government wanted to dump billions on the fixed link and approaching highways, they have something to go off of.
A fully completed Route 138 in that area is still a long way away, but yes it's being studied.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 1:23 PM
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So that's where Sherbrooke Street goes to...
It's the second-longest highway in Quebec and one of the oldest roads in Canada and in North America.

Its central section is the routing of the original stone road between Montreal and Quebec City that they started to build in the 1600s.
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A fully completed Route 138 in that area is still a long way away, but yes it's being studied.
Is Quebec using any federal funding? I would think a completed Route 138 along the north shore connecting to the Labrador coast could be considered as part of the national highway system.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 1:35 PM
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So one thing that fascinates me as a "lighting guy", when it comes to road construction is poles. There are a lot of different types of poles used for road infrastructure, including lighting but also traffic lights and signage.

An interesting thing is that the types of poles used are very regional by nature, largely dependent on the local supply chains.

Ontario and Quebec for instance use a lot of concrete poles, for one reason, and one reason only - the only two concrete pole manufacturers are located in Ontario (one in the GTA, and one in metro Ottawa. Concrete poles are incredibly heavy, so it just doesn't make any economic sense to use them any further out since the cost of freight starts going up dramatically the further out you go.

Outside of these two provinces you will almost never see concrete poles - the freight is simply too expensive. (the reason these two technologies are made here is likely due to the amount of salt thrown on our streets during the winter, but I don't know this for sure)

Everywhere else in Canada uses mostly steel poles - basically what they do is they take a steel plate, and bend it into either circle, square, hexagon, octagon etc. You'll also see cast steel for downtown areas, but this is more expensive. Spun aluminum poles also get used in a lot of areas.

However for freeways, the king across the country - even Ontario and Quebec - is galvanized steel. This is the same as a regular steel pole, except they dip it in a hot zinc bath which adds a protective coating to the outside layer of the pole, increasing its corrosion resistance exponentially.

Any time you see one of these, it is always galvanized steel. There is simply no better alternative. They can be shipped in 30ft sections and assembled on site. The total pole length can be up to 200ft (although taller than 100ft is rare for highways). They pole is also hollow, which makes it easy to run cables through, and as a result makes it possible to use lowering devices for the lights (rather than having to use a boom to access it). Steel is also incredibly strong.

The part I find most fascinating is that this massive structure, which can weigh over 10,000 lbs is only supported by a few anchor bolts submerged in concrete. Steel and concrete is incredibly strong.





     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Is Quebec using any federal funding? I would think a completed Route 138 along the north shore connecting to the Labrador coast could be considered as part of the national highway system.
According to this map it isn't officially. At least not all the way to the Labrador border.

https://tc.canada.ca/sites/default/files/migrated/rrn_2007.pdf

Though there is lobbying to get it all included.

But not being part of the NHS isn't always an obstacle to getting federal funding.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/ohdio/premie...38-basse-cote-nord-melanie-joly-ministre
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There will never be a fixed link between Vancouver Island and the mainland, not possible financially or technically. Strait is far too deep and wide, and it would need to allow ships to pass. It would also sit on a fault line. It would also need to be shut down in stormy weather just like the ferries, which kinda negates the point.

Storm-force winds (89-102 km/h) are a yearly occurrence on the Georgia Strait.

Lastly, a lot of people on VI don't actually want a fixed link. It keeps out the riff raff.
It would not be anywhere south. The technical aspects would make it impossible. But, up island, around Courtney or further north, the challenges you point out are not there.

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It would likely be used by truckers, as coming from Montreal it would only be 100ish km longer. Even if the ferry wasn't delayed and you didn't have to slow down from highway speed until you parked on it, a fixed route through Labrador and down the Great Northern Peninsula would cut 5-6 hours off the current route.

But for regular people... it's just too far to go. Your destination would have to be Montreal or west for it to make sense, so it's really only applicable to that tiny percentage of travelers doing some sort of cross-country roadtrip.

This seems to be the dominant view in St. John's:

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Sheesh, the contractors look like ants in that photo.
By the way, where can I find the detailed design or technical document for KHC phase 4?
I'm glad this pic was posted I saw it somewhere else but didn't know how to bring it here.
This highway is absolutely epic and I cannot wait to drive it. It's in my part of the country afterall.
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By the way, where can I find the detailed design or technical document for KHC phase 4?
https://www.kickinghorsecanyon.ca/app/uploads/sites/632/2020/10/khcp4-concept-plan.pdf
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Hey BC. This is how you build a proper highway. They seem to have forgotten how to build one after the Coq.
That province is flat as fuck. No shit it's that easy.
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That province is flat as fuck. No shit it's that easy.
That sounds more like Saskatchewan and Manitoba to me.
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That sounds more like Saskatchewan and Manitoba to me.
Those are a whole different level of flat! A river overflows its banks and floods hack the province...

Mainland NS is hilly and has challenges, but the mountains of BC are at a whole other challenge level.
     
     
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Mainland NS is hilly and has challenges, but the mountains of BC are at a whole other challenge level.
Yeah, I get what you mean. I think I really need to drive it myself to realize it : )
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Yeah, I get what you mean. I think I really need to drive it myself to realize it : )
Everyone should drive from coast to coast at least once in their life.You start to understand the people more.
     
     
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Yeah, I get what you mean. I think I really need to drive it myself to realize it : )
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