Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0 - Page 398

RomanR27 · #**7941** Posted **May 3, 2023, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dominion301

TS have released their winter 2023-24 schedule. They have 10 weekly flights scheduled out of YOW to six destinations. They're increasing CUN and PUJ by 1x/week each. I think that's a net increase of 1x/week vs 2022-23 as I think something was cut, but I'm not sure what exactly.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/ai...inter-program-for-ontario-815258547.html

Found this online: https://staticcontent.transat.com/filehostingecommerce/Flight_schedules/ONWINTER2024en-CA.pdf

PUJ and CUN will be 3x weekly each right out of the gate. POP, VRA, SNU and CCC begin 1x weekly the week of December 18.

fanofYOW · #**7942** Posted **May 3, 2023, 9:05 PM**

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/2023-annual-public-meeting-formal-remarks

Curious to hear thoughts on this years public meeting. I thought last year's was a little more eventful. The focus was more on Porter and Air France with Westjet and Air Canada not being mentioned at all other than being blanketed under "airline partners". I'm not even sure if YOW falls under a focus city anymore after AC moved more towards the hub-spoke model which is disappointing as they do have the largest fleet in the country, giving them more room to play around. Clearly shows their lack of interest/commitment to Ottawa, pushing those who have the same opinion as myself to support other carriers.

YOWflier · #**7943** Posted **May 3, 2023, 9:37 PM**

YOW is hiring a VP of construction and major capital projects. Terminal expansion apparently being studied.

https://twitter.com/boydencanada/status/1653803252608118926?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

https://twitter.com/obj_news/status/1653873492075458564?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

fanofYOW · #**7944** Posted **May 3, 2023, 9:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWflier

YOW is hiring a VP of construction and major capital projects. Terminal expansion apparently being studied.

https://twitter.com/boydencanada/status/1653803252608118926?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

https://twitter.com/obj_news/status/1653873492075458564?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

Wish non members could read the article

HighwayStar · #**7945** Posted **May 3, 2023, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWflier

YOW is hiring a VP of construction and major capital projects. Terminal expansion apparently being studied.

What precisely would be the focus of expansion? Domestic or transborder?

YOWflier · #**7946** Posted **May 4, 2023, 12:26 AM**

Don’t know. Master plan shows a little terminal extension to the south on the domestic/intl side, and I’ve seen some proposed expansions (years ago) on the TB side. I don’t have access to the obj article.

Zmonkey · #**7947** Posted **May 4, 2023, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by YOWflier

Don’t know. Master plan shows a little terminal extension to the south on the domestic/intl side, and I’ve seen some proposed expansions (years ago) on the TB side. I don’t have access to the obj article.

- Airport hotel
-LRT to airport will mean capital work
-There were plans to add parking pre covid
-Add CBSA and other security space
-Longer term there was plans to add gates and a small expansion to the south, but I would assume there is a 0% chance of that for the short term
This could also be a job that is already on the payroll with the person exiting the role.

MountainView · #**7948** Posted **May 4, 2023, 12:32 PM**

From the YOW 2038 Master Plan:

More info here: Clicking this will open the master plan PDF

At one point there was a proposed expansion to the TB portion of the terminal, but they removed that in the 2038 master plan which was released in 2018.

RomanR27 · #**7949** Posted **May 4, 2023, 12:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountainView

At one point there was a proposed expansion to the TB portion of the terminal, but they removed that in the 2038 master plan which was released in 2018.

If Porter started to beef up their TB offerings with the E2s, I wonder if that would end up back on the roadmap.

J.OT13 · #**7950** Posted **May 4, 2023, 2:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWflier

YOW is hiring a VP of construction and major capital projects. Terminal expansion apparently being studied.

https://twitter.com/boydencanada/status/1653803252608118926?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

https://twitter.com/obj_news/status/1653873492075458564?s=46&t=CktuPmt0EGb4bjXVeFxyBA

Last year, the airport's passenger volumes were just short of 3 million. Are we expecting them to reach the 5+ million of the pre-pandemic? Seems this should wait a couple more years before being studied.

MountainView · #**7951** Posted **May 4, 2023, 2:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by RomanR27

If Porter started to beef up their TB offerings with the E2s, I wonder if that would end up back on the roadmap.

It would depend on the usage of gates 14 and 15 by widebody aircraft (such as the A330 and B787) as they can really only park (fit) at those gates. Gates 13-16 are swing gates, and passengers disembarking from aircraft here can either be sent directly into the domestic terminal, or down the ramp to the customs area.

You can see here that there is some space for code C aircraft (A220, A320, B737, E295) in the transborder area.

You could have 2-3 E295s at gates 12, 13 and 14A, while UA Express and Jazz planes (and Porter Q400s) are over at gates 1 to 11.

I could see the YOW airport authority adding 2-3 bridges at the south end of the terminal to allow quicker passenger boarding. Right now gates 29 and 30 (mainly used by Canadian North) do not have jet bridges.

Right now, YOW can have domestic planes land at 12 and upwards since the TB side isn't busy. This also allows them to have a plane land from say, DCA at gate 13, but have that plane turn to YWG without having to move (tow) it to a different gate.

Dominion301 · #**7952** Posted **May 4, 2023, 3:06 PM**

Thursday's departure count: 69, including 2 sun flights

Cancellation count (so far): 0

fanofYOW · #**7953** Posted **May 4, 2023, 3:25 PM**

https://enjoy.flyporter.com/2023/flex-your-jet-set/index.html

Porter is increasing frequency from YYZ on their already existing routes. Seems like YOW will have to wait a bit longer to see jet service. Hopefully not too long.

RomanR27 · #**7954** Posted **May 4, 2023, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by fanofYOW

https://enjoy.flyporter.com/2023/flex-your-jet-set/index.html

Porter is increasing frequency from YYZ on their already existing routes. Seems like YOW will have to wait a bit longer to see jet service. Hopefully not too long.

What is Porter offering currently on YOW-YYZ? I know when they launched it was 4x daily, so seeing an "increase" to 3x by August means it has already been halved (at least).

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Originally Posted by MountainView

It would depend on the usage of gates 14 and 15 by widebody aircraft (such as the A330 and B787) as they can really only park (fit) at those gates. Gates 13-16 are swing gates, and passengers disembarking from aircraft here can either be sent directly into the domestic terminal, or down the ramp to the customs area.

You can see here that there is some space for code C aircraft (A220, A320, B737, E295) in the transborder area.

You could have 2-3 E295s at gates 12, 13 and 14A, while UA Express and Jazz planes (and Porter Q400s) are over at gates 1 to 11.

I could see the YOW airport authority adding 2-3 bridges at the south end of the terminal to allow quicker passenger boarding. Right now gates 29 and 30 (mainly used by Canadian North) do not have jet bridges.

Right now, YOW can have domestic planes land at 12 and upwards since the TB side isn't busy. This also allows them to have a plane land from say, DCA at gate 13, but have that plane turn to YWG without having to move (tow) it to a different gate.

Departing TB flights still need to use gates 1-12 for preclearance though, right? Which means there are only four TB gates capable of handling code C planes. If PD does start offering TB flights, in the Winter things could get pretty tight. Even this morning, there were two F8 departures to SFB and FLL within in an hour of each other using gates 11/12. Add in one morning departure each for WS and Rouge, and you're full before PD even comes into. If PD does ever try and launch Florida flights, I could see expanding the TB terminal becoming higher priority than expanding the south end.

MountainView · #**7955** Posted **May 4, 2023, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by RomanR27

Departing TB flights still need to use gates 1-12 for preclearance though, right? Which means there are only four TB gates capable of handling code C planes. If PD does start offering TB flights, in the Winter things could get pretty tight. Even this morning, there were two F8 departures to SFB and FLL within in an hour of each other using gates 11/12. Add in one morning departure each for WS and Rouge, and you're full before PD even comes into. If PD does ever try and launch Florida flights, I could see expanding the TB terminal becoming higher priority than expanding the south end.

Correct, 1-12 for preclearance. In the Winter, gates 13-17 could be used for international (non-US) arrivals and departures though. Just means AC will have to move their typical YYZ rapidair flights away from these gates. I am not sure if they have a deal with YOW or not to always dock them here.

MountainView · #**7956** Posted **May 4, 2023, 5:06 PM**

I was curious regarding Porter's operation at YOW, so I searched their flights for July 6, 2023 and discovered that they will have 24 departures and 24 arrivals that day to/from 9 different airports.

They have also timed their E295 service to YYZ better to connect to YVR, YYC, and YEG (65-90 min connection times).

fanofYOW · #**7957** Posted **May 5, 2023, 12:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by RomanR27

What is Porter offering currently on YOW-YYZ? I know when they launched it was 4x daily, so seeing an "increase" to 3x by August means it has already been halved (at least).

Yes it was announced as 4x but reality after was 1-2x daily. Someone can correct me on that if I’m wrong. They cancelled many YOW-YYZ departures and switched a lot of them from the E2’s to the Dash’s due to what I presume is pilot shortage. So consistent 3x would be a big plus.

Yesterday actually would have been the day they launch direct flights out west from YOW as per what their website said back a couple months ago. But alas, that will have to wait.

originalmuffins · #**7958** Posted **May 5, 2023, 2:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by RomanR27

If Porter started to beef up their TB offerings with the E2s, I wonder if that would end up back on the roadmap.

I would love another terminal expansion to accommodate Porter's dedication to YOW as one of their main hubs. Porter is already getting capped at Billy Bishop, so YOW dedicating more on top of the maintenance bay with Porter would be huge for Ottawa.

It will also help with creating more opportunities like Air France direct flights. Some funding to get KLM jump in with direct flights to Ottawa or something to London would be awesome.

originalmuffins · #**7959** Posted **May 5, 2023, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountainView

Great to hear!

There is a large billboard in the terminal right beside the Maple Leaf Lounge entrance that states: New AF Ottawa-Paris route beginning June 27. A great place to put it too!

On arrival, the banners in the 3rd level rafters visible from the domestic baggage carousels all highlight the new AF route, Porter maintenance base, and new destinations from Porter (they picture their E292 aircraft).

Yeah I saw those too, I'm loving it! Doing what I can to support flying out of YOW and direct routes.

RomanR27 · #**7960** Posted **May 5, 2023, 2:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountainView

Great to hear!

There is a large billboard in the terminal right beside the Maple Leaf Lounge entrance that states: New AF Ottawa-Paris route beginning June 27. A great place to put it too!

On arrival, the banners in the 3rd level rafters visible from the domestic baggage carousels all highlight the new AF route, Porter maintenance base, and new destinations from Porter (they picture their E292 aircraft).

I also noticed a billboard near the airport on Riverside driving northbound just before the traffic lights to St. Hubert/T&T plaza.