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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 AM
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its only redeeming quality IMO is that it adds density near transit and it has a "distinctive crown" at the top. I'll wait for the final product especially the podium but as of right now I think i prefer the brick tower right next to it.
At least there's no parking lot in front of it like across the street.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2023, 3:18 AM
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I'm confident the glass top will make something out of this. I'm ok with the tower portion being somewhat ho-hum and repetitive if the top is something that is eyecatching from a few kms away like Metropole is.

At least the top won't be squared off?
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2023, 12:51 PM
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At least there's no parking lot in front of it like across the street.
I'm curious, do you live in an apartment building and/or ever take your car to buy groceries?

When we were looking for an apartment building to downsize to, convenient parking for visitors was on our list of 'must-haves' because we wanted to be able to entertain and have people want to come to our home, not have to circle blocks aimlessly trying to find street parking. Since then, I've learned that same visitor parking makes age-in-place much easier since our building has a shortage of visiting nurses, and housecleaners. Thus, these support people have to come here and park.

As well, when I go grocery shopping for a major load of food (for instance, picking up our Christmas Dinner box from Farm Boy) I take my car instead of my backpack. During the first months/year of the pandemic, the recommendation was to only grocery shop once a week, so we did that by car since we couldn't carry our groceries for a week on our backs. We still have not returned to our old life of picking up things every day or two while on our daily constitutional and only taking the car for groceries once a month to pick up heavy stuff, frozen stuff (in summer) and Costco runs. I'm not sure we'll regain that healthy habit but time will tell, check back with me in 3 months when health restrictions on walking and carrying are over.

Yes, there's parking underground that is free for Farm Boy patrons (and I've used it twice during snowstorms) but to encourage useful retail to rent the space in the bottom of all these apartment buildings you have to offer enough customers that the retailer can sustain the costs and, at least in the case of Farm Boy, the inconvenience of managing deliveries in a tight space. The only way to do that is to offer some parking in front and a place for trucks to deliver stock and pick up waste.

The amount of parking you are dissing is not like at the Superstore, but well suits those who are driving by on their way home so they can pop in and pick up a few items.

It also suits the aging demographic with mobility issues; you know the ones who can actually afford the rent at nice buildings in Westboro, and are proactively downsizing to live close to the LRT and cheaper taxis to the hospital once they can't drive any more.

I despair when I see all these buildings going up with only 1 or 2 visitor parking spots or none. Let's be real, we want people to age in place but there is nowhere for their support people to park. There is nowhere for friends to park so isolation happens. And for those younger people who live in these TOD buildings because they are choosing to live car-free, there is nowhere to park a rental or Communauto car to load/unload it when heading out on a weekend camping trip or coming back from IKEA with furniture to assemble.

If you want people to choose to live in dense housing, you have to make it fit with lifestyles and even those who live car-free need to have access to occasional parking at their residence and useful retail at ground-level both in their building and nearby buildings.

We do not have the density of Manhattan, so we need to support businesses in order to encourage patrons to come or you will end up with Scott Street becoming a retail repeat of the Canyon on Richmond at Island Park. Ottawa's culture defines that support as a few parking spots in front. Not suburban parking spots, but ground-level 10 - 20 spots to support a grocery store. (Farmboy/Daycare/Bridgehead/Gym/Credit Union share 34 spaces, plus 1960 Scott has ~20 more spaces; in comparison, there are 50 spaces at the Metro, which feels like it is a much smaller store than the Farm Boy.)

Even with the parking, there's still only one (questionably useful) retailer in 1960 Scott unless something else completely unremarkable moved in since the last time I walked by.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2023, 1:11 PM
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I'm curious, do you live in an apartment building and/or ever take your car to buy groceries?

When we were looking for an apartment building to downsize to, convenient parking for visitors was on our list of 'must-haves' because we wanted to be able to entertain and have people want to come to our home, not have to circle blocks aimlessly trying to find street parking. Since then, I've learned that same visitor parking makes age-in-place much easier since our building has a shortage of visiting nurses, and housecleaners. Thus, these support people have to come here and park.

As well, when I go grocery shopping for a major load of food (for instance, picking up our Christmas Dinner box from Farm Boy) I take my car instead of my backpack. During the first months/year of the pandemic, the recommendation was to only grocery shop once a week, so we did that by car since we couldn't carry our groceries for a week on our backs. We still have not returned to our old life of picking up things every day or two while on our daily constitutional and only taking the car for groceries once a month to pick up heavy stuff, frozen stuff (in summer) and Costco runs. I'm not sure we'll regain that healthy habit but time will tell, check back with me in 3 months when health restrictions on walking and carrying are over.

Yes, there's parking underground that is free for Farm Boy patrons (and I've used it twice during snowstorms) but to encourage useful retail to rent the space in the bottom of all these apartment buildings you have to offer enough customers that the retailer can sustain the costs and, at least in the case of Farm Boy, the inconvenience of managing deliveries in a tight space. The only way to do that is to offer some parking in front and a place for trucks to deliver stock and pick up waste.

The amount of parking you are dissing is not like at the Superstore, but well suits those who are driving by on their way home so they can pop in and pick up a few items.

It also suits the aging demographic with mobility issues; you know the ones who can actually afford the rent at nice buildings in Westboro, and are proactively downsizing to live close to the LRT and cheaper taxis to the hospital once they can't drive any more.

I despair when I see all these buildings going up with only 1 or 2 visitor parking spots or none. Let's be real, we want people to age in place but there is nowhere for their support people to park. There is nowhere for friends to park so isolation happens. And for those younger people who live in these TOD buildings because they are choosing to live car-free, there is nowhere to park a rental or Communauto car to load/unload it when heading out on a weekend camping trip or coming back from IKEA with furniture to assemble.

If you want people to choose to live in dense housing, you have to make it fit with lifestyles and even those who live car-free need to have access to occasional parking at their residence and useful retail at ground-level both in their building and nearby buildings.

We do not have the density of Manhattan, so we need to support businesses in order to encourage patrons to come or you will end up with Scott Street becoming a retail repeat of the Canyon on Richmond at Island Park. Ottawa's culture defines that support as a few parking spots in front. Not suburban parking spots, but ground-level 10 - 20 spots to support a grocery store. (Farmboy/Daycare/Bridgehead/Gym/Credit Union share 34 spaces, plus 1960 Scott has ~20 more spaces; in comparison, there are 50 spaces at the Metro, which feels like it is a much smaller store than the Farm Boy.)

Even with the parking, there's still only one (questionably useful) retailer in 1960 Scott unless something else completely unremarkable moved in since the last time I walked by.
Booming, dedication to parking in an urban setting....

The parking in front is entirely because of the hydro lines. Otherwise the building would have been closer to the road....

And parking out front isn't required for retail to exist in the base of towers, as soon by many other locations including farmboy of Metcalf.... What is required it density and that's hard to provide in tandem with many other more important requirements when there "must" be at grade parking spots.....

Also you act as if doing any of those things is impossible with underground parking, to which can also provide visitor parking as many do through paid parking like the McRae farmboy does...
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Oh...my....lord... I just noticed this project has a single curve! First of all: I had no idea Minecraft has curved blocks now. Second of all: Is the first non right angle on an RLA project???

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Oh...my....lord... I just noticed this project has a single curve! First of all: I had no idea Minecraft has curved blocks now. Second of all: Is the first non right angle on an RLA project???

WOW! Nearly fell off my chair
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2023, 7:01 PM
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But frankly why did they even bother! Its barely noticeable and adds nothing to the overall look of this project
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but frankly why did they even bother! Its barely noticeable and adds nothing to the overall look of this project
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2023, 8:57 PM
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Looks, to me, as if they rounded it because a point might interfere with the turning radius of trucks. But that is a guess, based on where the curb-cut is.
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Looks, to me, as if they rounded it because a point might interfere with the turning radius of trucks. But that is a guess, based on where the curb-cut is.
Well spotted!

And Kudos to the developer for putting in the curved corner before it was knocked out by a moving truck or garbage truck.
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I have a friend who sees this building out her window every day. She says it looks “stalled out” as the top 3 floors have been in the same (incomplete) state for months.

I know the crane is now gone…. And am pretty sure it’s not stalled. Can someone elaborate on what this “glass top” will look like? And if it impacts the top 3 floors?
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I have a friend who sees this building out her window every day. She says it looks “stalled out” as the top 3 floors have been in the same (incomplete) state for months.

I know the crane is now gone…. And am pretty sure it’s not stalled. Can someone elaborate on what this “glass top” will look like? And if it impacts the top 3 floors?
We are spraying fireproofing on the top three floors this week, definitely not stalled out. It'll come together very soon now.
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We are spraying fireproofing on the top three floors this week, definitely not stalled out. It'll come together very soon now.
So, you're saying, the roof is NOT on fire. We do need a roof, and it would be best if we don't let the MFer burn.

Def looking forwards to updates on this one. Thanks as always.
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Such a disjointed looking project. Charcoal bricks for the low-rise portion, beige bricks for the tower podium and a very light or white tower.

Also the windows and door casings on the low-rise and podium seem brown while the ones on the tower and at the top are black?
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Such a disjointed looking project. Charcoal bricks for the low-rise portion, beige bricks for the tower podium and a very light or white tower.

Also the windows and door casings on the low-rise and podium seem brown while the ones on the tower and at the top are black?
Yeah, Maybe it's too early to call, but this one is UGLY. Il wait before the crown up before I lay my final verdict but yeah.. still 0-2 on scott street.
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^ +1. East Market (Phase 1 from 2003-2004) through phase 3 (2006 ish) are still far more interesting, fresh, and modern than these 2020-2023 Scott St. cheapo boxes.
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I somewhat like the disjointed look of the overall project. If everything was beige of charcoal, it would have been too monotonous. I think I would have preferred the tower podium charcoal and the low-rise beige. It would have provided a better contrast between podium and tower. And also, less charcaol overall.

The tower portion, once complete, I think will look good. High quality safe design. I'll settle for a variety of designs along Scott street, even if they are all safe. In any case, this is far superior than the McRae tower across the street.
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We walked past there on the Sunday and I was noting how the charcoal fits in with the building across the street.

And while the materials are different, the beige fits in better with 1960 Scott which is across from 1976.

Scale wise, I'm getting used to the McCrae portion of this project. It is hard to get used to the Scott face because of the construction fencing, etc.
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