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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 4:36 PM
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Also heard that at the bell luncheon yesterday Chipman noted season tickets sales were down 3500 this year. The deadness of downtown hurts this club if clc was at the old Winnipeg Arena site or in South Winnipeg not sure they would have as hard a time filling the place.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 4:38 PM
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On Jammon's post and others I've read, it does sound to me like where the Jets really dropped the ball is making season ticket holders feel valued and special. I can tell you that as an ICE season ticket holder I've received far more perks for my money than I ever did with my Jets half-season package, even though ICE tickets are way cheaper. The ICE don't have to do these things, but it does build goodwill. All the Jets give you is your tickets and an invoice which is fine, but for an organization that sells what is basically a frill (i.e. no one "needs" sports tickets) at very high prices, I'm not sure that taking the same bare-bones customer service approach as, say, a utility company is that smart in the long run. Making legal threats against your customers is insanity IMO... talk about burning bridges.
I think I mentioned it here in the past, but our season ticket group is dissolving after this season. We are originals, back to the very first season.

But yes, the complete lack of any special treatment of season ticket holders has brought us to this. TNSE really lost the room, and has a lot of work to do to bring season ticket holders back in.

Continual price increases, concession price increases, etc. etc. I just can't justify the expense and time anymore, and I will just pick up tickets in future seasons as I needed.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Also heard that at the bell luncheon yesterday Chipman noted season tickets sales were down 3500 this year. The deadness of downtown hurts this club if clc was at the old Winnipeg Arena site or in South Winnipeg not sure they would have as hard a time filling the place.
I don't know. Does location matter all that much? The Jets were not known for selling out at the old Winnipeg Arena site. People either want to go or they don't.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 4:46 PM
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I think I mentioned it here in the past, but our season ticket group is dissolving after this season. We are originals, back to the very first season.

But yes, the complete lack of any special treatment of season ticket holders has brought us to this. TNSE really lost the room, and has a lot of work to do to bring season ticket holders back in.

Continual price increases, concession price increases, etc. etc. I just can't justify the expense and time anymore, and I will just pick up tickets in future seasons as I needed.
I'm actually surprised they are down only 3500. Our group dissolved a couple of years ago and it was just my wife and me and we would unload games we didn't go to on her parents. After management decided to mail in the back half of last season by not hiring a real coach and them the mailing in of some of the players in the back half of this season, we've decided to let it go and just buy the games we want to see. Listening and talking to those in the seats around us, it seems like a fair number are doing the same.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:00 PM
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I believe they are losing between 5 and 10 million a year they need sellouts to be profitable. With downtown businesses still only at 64% workers back in the office after covid-19 i think thats really hurt their corporate attendance as the average worker cannot afford nhl season tickets anymore.
I've heard from multiple sources that the Jets turned a profit in 2021-22, in spite of lower attendance than this season.

Hypothetically, even if the Jets did lose in the neighbourhood of $5-10 million/year, I am sure a clever accountant could write the losses off, considering how much property TNSE owes.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:05 PM
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I've heard from multiple sources that the Jets turned a profit in 2021-22, in spite of lower attendance than this season.

Hypothetically, even if the Jets did lose in the neighbourhood of $5-10 million/year, I am sure a clever accountant could write the losses off, considering how much property TNSE owes.
They're also going to recoup a large chunk now that they are in the playoffs. If the Jets continue to play the way they have been, they could upset Vegas (assuming that's who they will play) and go on a run. Or, they could be out in 4. Who knows.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:12 PM
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I'm actually surprised they are down only 3500. Our group dissolved a couple of years ago and it was just my wife and me and we would unload games we didn't go to on her parents. After management decided to mail in the back half of last season by not hiring a real coach and them the mailing in of some of the players in the back half of this season, we've decided to let it go and just buy the games we want to see. Listening and talking to those in the seats around us, it seems like a fair number are doing the same.
At one point season tickets were the only way to get in at a decent price. Now having season tickets means you can't take advantage of discount prices on the resale market, the team's own promos, or even offers of free tickets from friends/associates who can't make it.

For some people at the very high end of the income scale those considerations don't matter... I doubt Hartley Richardson is going to give up his season tickets so that he can get cheap tickets on FansFirst. But I'd imagine that for a good chunk of the season ticket base, those types of savings are hard to ignore. I bought tickets for several Jets games this season that were considerably cheaper on the resale market than if I had bought them at Ticketmaster.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:12 PM
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I'm happy the team is back in the playoffs despite my feelings about some of the core players on the team.

As for decline in season ticket holders, I'm surprised business accounts are only 15% of all season ticket holder accounts. I realize the corporate community is small here, but 15%!? I thought businesses accounted for 40% or so of the season ticket base...at least that's what I thought I heard back in the early days of the Jets. Can anyone confirm?
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:15 PM
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It's kind of funny, in some respects it has never been cheaper to go to a Jets game. There were plenty of games where resale tickets were available for as low as $25. Yes that is for a nosebleed seat, but CLC is a fairly small arena... the view is still pretty good up there. And there were better seats (including lower bowl) consistently available for under $100.
I have gone to multiple Jets games in Alberta, against the Oilers and Flames. I do not believe I ever spent over $40 a ticket. The Oilers/Jets games at the old Coliseum were ridiculously cheap, as it was the pre-McDavid years.

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I realize concessions are expensive, but there is an easy answer to that issue... just eat at home. I usually have dinner around 6 pm so the last thing I want at a game is a Jumbo Jets Dog or whatever. A drink to sip on is enough to make me happy. And parking is a non-issue, I park on the street and never have to pay.
That is precisely what I did. Ride the LRT, then walk to a pub 10 minutes away from the arena, and have a couple of drinks and some pub food for $25. It beats paying for $13 beers. On many occasions when I bought tickets off fans with season tickets, they would throw in vouchers for concessions for free, so I could often get food at the arena for 1/2 price. I can see why the season ticket base has eroded.

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If you had told a non-season ticket holding Jets fan in 2011 that they could get a pair of Jets tickets for $60, they would have been pretty happy with that offer. Now people are kind of indifferent. It's interesting.
I had honestly predicted that in 2012. It was always like this in Alberta, where there is more money and people. I knew once the "new car smell" wore off on the Jets, and once the 5-year season ticket commitment was up in 2016, the prospective season ticket buyers base would slowly erode, unless by some miracle, the Jets were Stanley Cup contenders for a lengthy period of time. Unfortunately for the Jets, that only lasted from 2017-19.

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On Jammon's post and others I've read, it does sound to me like where the Jets really dropped the ball is making season ticket holders feel valued and special. I can tell you that as an ICE season ticket holder I've received far more perks for my money than I ever did with my Jets half-season package, even though ICE tickets are way cheaper. The ICE don't have to do these things, but it does build goodwill. All the Jets give you is your tickets and an invoice which is fine, but for an organisation that sells what is basically a frill (i.e. no one "needs" sports tickets) at very high prices, I'm not sure that taking the same bare-bones customer service approach as, say, a utility company is that smart in the long run. Making legal threats against your customers is insanity IMO... talk about burning bridges.
TNSE just got greedy. I still remember when the Jets sold out 5-year commitments in a matter of minutes, when they went on sale to the general public, and they capped the season ticket wait list at 8,000. The organisation falsely assumed there would be an endless supply of consumers willing to buy their products for over a decade. This was never going to be the case, and if they had studied other markets like Ottawa, Edmonton, and Calgary, they would have known this to be the case.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:15 PM
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Is True North reminding everyone about attendance because they plan on rebuilding after this year?
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:23 PM
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I am shocked business accounts for only 15 % of season tickets. I thought Bison Transport and Transx, New Flyer, Buehler ect.. would have more season seats with them.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 5:24 PM
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I had honestly predicted that in 2012. It was always like this in Alberta, where there is more money and people. I knew once the "new car smell" wore off on the Jets, and once the 5-year season ticket commitment was up in 2016, the prospective season ticket buyers base would slowly erode, unless by some miracle, the Jets were Stanley Cup contenders for a lengthy period of time. Unfortunately for the Jets, that only lasted from 2017-19.
I would think a lot of people must just get their fill of hockey, to some extent. If you have a full or half season ticket and attend most games, that is an absolute boatload of hockey. Even if you love it, that is a massive time commitment.

After seven or eight years of that, with thousands of dollars spent on tickets, I think a lot of people just want to move on to something else, especially if the team is not doing so hot.

I guess the difference between Winnipeg and larger markets is that in LA, Chicago, Toronto, etc. there are a bunch of people ready to take your place if you leave. In Winnipeg there probably aren't all that many. Our "one percenter" base is only about 7,500, and not all of them like hockey.
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Personally, I think it's time to set aside the business matters, and focus on the rebound and recovery at the end of the season. Let's see what this team can do in the playoffs, and the rest of us should enjoy the ride. The last 3 games were real statements. Not so worried about the last game against the Avs - so long as they play with heart. If they can carry this forward it will be an interesting opening series. We will quickly see what this team is REALLY made of. Go Jets.
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Having gone to 30 games this year , when team is struggling it is a big time commitment and money to a lesser extent , ask my wife how I was during March and it was getting hard going to the rink over and over . Having said all that we renewed our 4 P3s seasons , we love hockey and the Jets and love the City and want it to keep having NHL hockey. We are far from millionaires but we just have to make choices and prioritize and the Jets are a high priority to us. Perfect example is our Wives went on a winter vacation, we chose the Jets and didn’t and could afford to go , it’s priorities lucky our group isn’t smokers or big drinkers. Lol We are excited for playoffs best time of year and being critical or not Jets HAVE MADE the playoffs 5/6 years not too shabby considering some peoples opinion of this franchise.
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Personally, I think it's time to set aside the business matters, and focus on the rebound and recovery at the end of the season. Let's see what this team can do in the playoffs, and the rest of us should enjoy the ride. The last 3 games were real statements. Not so worried about the last game against the Avs - so long as they play with heart. If they can carry this forward it will be an interesting opening series. We will quickly see what this team is REALLY made of. Go Jets.
My prediction is that the Jets have enough energy to upset Vegas (assuming that's who we play) in 6 games then lose to Edmonton in the second round, just like the good old days...
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Damn you guys are depressing.

Jets gonna blow through these chumps. Helly going to stand on his head.

Yeah? No?

C'mon.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Damn you guys are depressing.

Jets gonna blow through these chumps. Helly going to stand on his head.

Yeah? No?

C'mon.
Blame TNSE for launching their debbie downer of a marketing campaign and stealing their own thunder from clinching a playoff spot.
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Can you even imagine meeting the Oilers in the first round and having Pionk move back into his rent free home in McDavids head just like 2021? It would be glorious.
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I'm happy the team is back in the playoffs despite my feelings about some of the core players on the team.

As for decline in season ticket holders, I'm surprised business accounts are only 15% of all season ticket holder accounts. I realize the corporate community is small here, but 15%!? I thought businesses accounted for 40% or so of the season ticket base...at least that's what I thought I heard back in the early days of the Jets. Can anyone confirm?
If each of the corporate accounts has 4 seats and lets say there are 1500 corporate accounts, so that's 6000 seats which is 40% of the building
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The Avalanche can't win the West. They have been mathematically eliminated from the #1 Conference spot.

As it is, the only way Winnipeg will play Edmonton, is if Vegas loses their final game in regulation time, and Edmonton wins their last game.
Crap, you're right. I had a nice, long explanation prepared about how all 3 teams could end up tied and that the Avs have the better head to head record against the other two teams. Then I figured I should actually check the tie-breaking criteria. Turns out that H-H is only 4th on the tie-breaker list:
- Regulation Wins
- Regulation & OT wins
- Total wins incl. shootouts
- Head to head

The Avs only have 34 Regulation wins, 3 less than Vegas and 10 less than the Oilers. Should be good competition in the West, with no dominant team, though the Oilers are red hot right now.
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