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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 3:45 PM
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Sure, but is 20 years reasonable when you have significant sections of Edmonton with density and are LRT ready today?

*the thing with this section of the Metro line is to get it 'ready' to go NE to St. Albert and serve all of NW Edmonton. This will be a line that should be announced in 5-10 years and so this is a piece of that puzzle which justifies it.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 3:56 PM
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Sure, but is 20 years reasonable when you have significant sections of Edmonton with density and are LRT ready today?

*the thing with this section of the Metro line is to get it 'ready' to go NE to St. Albert and serve all of NW Edmonton. This will be a line that should be announced in 5-10 years and so this is a piece of that puzzle which justifies it.
Are there significant sections of Edmonton that is LRT ready where LRT is feasible and not already in progress? Valley Line is underway, as is the capital line extension south to Ellerslie. Where else would you rather see this investment that isn't already funded?
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Oliver down Jasper Avenue is the densest neighbourhood in Alberta and will still have to walk 4-5 LONG blocks to get to LRT.

Old Strathcona between 112st-83st is ripe.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 4:10 PM
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Sure, but is 20 years reasonable when you have significant sections of Edmonton with density and are LRT ready today?

*the thing with this section of the Metro line is to get it 'ready' to go NE to St. Albert and serve all of NW Edmonton. This will be a line that should be announced in 5-10 years and so this is a piece of that puzzle which justifies it.
Well yes in the case where there's a significant backlog in transit investment then you have to put the highest priorities first. But that's not because having transit in place for a new development isn't good in principle or that it's a waste of money. It's just a matter of balancing several good priorities that shouldn't have to compete with one another to begin with.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Oliver down Jasper Avenue is the densest neighbourhood in Alberta and will still have to walk 4-5 LONG blocks to get to LRT.

Old Strathcona between 112st-83st is ripe.
I agree with LRT in Oliver, the Capital Line should've been extended west under Jasper to 124 Street and north to Stony Plain Road to meet the Valley Line. I wonder if there'd be a way in the future to extend the tunnel down that route, as there is massive potential ridership along it (for Edmonton standards).
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I agree with LRT in Oliver, the Capital Line should've been extended west under Jasper to 124 Street and north to Stony Plain Road to meet the Valley Line. I wonder if there'd be a way in the future to extend the tunnel down that route, as there is massive potential ridership along it (for Edmonton standards).
There is! I chatted with an ETA planner back in 1999 about it. There's a short stub wall West of Corona station designed to extend the line West under Jasper but he didn't say to what route it would ultimately connect to...
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 5:46 PM
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I still want Edmonton to complete the downtown LRT loop by adding stations at Railtown and MacEwan so that trains can loop the core and return back to their destination or at least have the option. It would also help make the existing MacEwan-ICE District station feel less like a lonely white elephant outside of crush capacity events at Rogers Place...
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There is! I chatted with an ETA planner back in 1999 about it. There's a short stub wall West of Corona station designed to extend the line West under Jasper but he didn't say to what route it would ultimately connect to...
I can attest to it. I was in the extension years ago during construction.
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There's always a way - but the cost of it will likely keep it off the books in our lifetime.

I do agree that would be an ideal corridor, that's probably #1 on my fantasy rapid transit network for Edmonton. In the overall discussion though, I see it as kind of unrelated to the blatchford extension. These are projects with orders of magnitude difference in cost and complexity. It's not as if delaying the blatchford extension would free up enough to make any significant dent on a west jasper/124 st extension.
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Are there significant sections of Edmonton that is LRT ready where LRT is feasible and not already in progress? Valley Line is underway, as is the capital line extension south to Ellerslie. Where else would you rather see this investment that isn't already funded?
- Strathcona/Garneau
- Ritchie
- Oliver along Jasper
- Londonderry
- Callingwood
- Capilano
- Hermitage/Victoria Trail
- 118 Ave from NAIT to Abbotsfield
- McCauley
- Northgate
- St Albert down the trail
- Inglewood/Westmount Centre
- Calder
- Mlibourne (around the mall not where the Valley Line is going)
- the Highlands

The currently planned Metro Line alignment is incredibly stupid and mostly goes through low density tract housing with little infill/densification potential and doesn't connect residents to any everyday services beyond the Castle Downs YMCA. It solely exists to funnel suburbanites downtown and to post-secondary during peak times and may as well be commuter rail.

127 St and 97 Street both make far more sense for LRT (as does 137 Ave instead of 153rd if we're going to jut west to hit St Albert) but the City clearly wanted to hit the massive void of Blatchford between these two to help spur along development.

Callingwood and 178 Street also make more sense than Lewis Farms for the LRT based on density and demographics alone. 178th St is far more "LRT ready" than Lewis Farms aside from the fact that the latter has a convenient transit centre completely disconnected from the community that will sure be great as a park and ride.

Millbourne is getting an LRT stop, but on the edge of the community, surrounded by single detached homes, rather than a bit west around the mall and fields of apartment blocks.

Whyte Ave is perhaps the most glaring gap in rapid transit for Edmonton right now, and one with no real future plans after the Central Circulator was scrapped. It's also probably the most ripe area (aside from Downtown and the UofA) for LRT and would benefit most from it. The problem is that it really needs two lines servicing it to give the best and most comprehensive coverage. There should be an east-west one that terminates at Bonnie Doon, heads west through Garneau, meets the UofA, and then potentially heads to the west end on the 87 Ave alignment. Then there should be a direct north-south line between Downtown and Strathcona (maybe continuing south along the CPR yards and connecting Ritchie/Queen Alex/Weber and being a spur to redevelopment there. Instead the City's solution was a mediocre middle ground in the Central Circulator except even that isn't happening now.

The situation for 118th Ave is similar to Whyte, although less obvious and necessary, but it would likely similarly benefit from LRT coverage.

66 St, 137 Ave, 23 Ave, Ellerslie, Terwillegar, 107 Ave, 50th St, 112/111 Ave, Victoria Trail, and 82 St should probably all have BRT or streetcars (location context dependent) though some of these would benefit from LRT too.

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There is! I chatted with an ETA planner back in 1999 about it. There's a short stub wall West of Corona station designed to extend the line West under Jasper but he didn't say to what route it would ultimately connect to...
Could easily go down Jasper, up 124th St and either...

A) Terminate at 118th Ave in Prince Rupert
B) Zig-zag around and go up 127 St through Calder up to 153 Ave and meet with Metro Line
C) go west at 111 Ave to Westmount Centre
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 6:10 PM
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Construction update for the Broadway Subway skytrain extension.

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Old Posted Apr 5, 2023, 7:10 PM
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^ Very cool.
Thanks for posting that madog. 👍🏼
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Update on the Union Station LRT Expansion

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This is a welcome development, and something that's been waiting for far too long. The current stations at Queens Quay and Union are inadequate for service levels in busier times of the year, and I'm hoping this expansion work happens sooner rather than later.
I'm unsure if the issue of finances still plagues this project, however it's a very necessary project.
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A nice update from the Broadway Subway in Vancouver:

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Conveyor is running with spoil so Phyllis has started boring towards Alberta St.


Guideway from today:






Photos by me.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 8:46 PM
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When did construction on the Broadway extension start?
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When did construction on the Broadway extension start?
Seems like it's been quite awhile now. Apparently it's been over a year since Wiki has excavation pictures from last April.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 9:08 PM
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Seems like it's been quite awhile now. Apparently it's been over a year since Wiki has excavation pictures from last April.
Looks like it started in 2021. Progress has been astounding. Ottawa's Trillium Line closed in May 2020 for minor double tracking, platform lengthening, two new stations and a rail overpass (along with extensions) and it's well over a year late. Seems the far more complicated east extension of the Confederation Line has made far more progress than the Trillium in the same amount of time (but still a year or so more than Broadway).
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2023, 3:26 AM
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When did construction on the Broadway extension start?
Demo on the existing buildings at the station sites started around February 2021.

Excavation at the tunnel portal & TBM pit started in the summer along with sinking piles for the bridge decks along Broadway over the station boxes. Excavation at the stations on Broadway started in November.

The first TBM launched October 2022.

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