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Old Posted Mar 14, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Why is there even a need to do feasibility studies on sidewalks anyhow? Allowing pedestrians safe walking spaces now is up for debate?

This city's bureaucracy is unbelievable sometimes. Just lay down the damn concrete. It's not that hard to understand the benefits.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2023, 4:57 PM
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Why is there even a need to do feasibility studies on sidewalks anyhow? Allowing pedestrians safe walking spaces now is up for debate?

This city's bureaucracy is unbelievable sometimes. Just lay down the damn concrete. It's not that hard to understand the benefits.
This sounds so familiar. Feasibility studies identify reasons why building sidewalks are too expensive.

I was told something similar that a sidewalk could not be built because it would block drainage even though the road drained to the opposite side from where the sidewalk was to be built.

They are looking for excuses to not act and we need to pay staff to support inaction.

As I have said, a fatality is a sad excuse to finally get action, but is all so common. The bridge underpass at Billings Bridge is an example even though it predictably needed to be blocked off from public use for almost half the year because of potential flooding.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:29 PM
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What are you talking about? What feasibility study, what sidewalk, what priority? Be specific.
A sampling:
Feasibility study of a sidewalk along Buena Vista Rd from Springfield Rd to Lisgar Rd.
Feasibility study of a crossing of Banner Rd at Nancy Ave.
Feasibility study of pedestrian crossings of Colonnade Rd near Nepean Pond Park and 38 Colonnade Rd.
Sidewalk along Merivale Rd between Pineglen Cres and MacFarlane Rd and feasibility study of a pedestrian crossing of Merivale Rd at Brookdale Ave.
Feasibility review of a pedestrian crossing of Tapiola Cres east of White Clover Priv.
Feasibility study of pedestrian crossings of Walkley Rd at Heron Rd and Canterbury High School.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Provost Dr from McCarthy Rd to Thorndale Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Echo Dr from Bank St to Colonel By Dr and a crossing of Colonel By Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along the south side of Heron Rd from Walkley Rd to the existing sidewalk.
Pathway from Russell Rd to Sheffield Glen Park path. Feasibility review of a crossing of Southvale Cres at Sheffield Glen Park.
Feasibility study of sidewalk along Constance Bay Rd between Allbirch Rd and Bayview Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Meadow Dr from Greely Community Centre to Parkway Rd.
Yes, all of these are feasible.

That will be, I dunno, $900,000 in very expert sidewalk feasibility study moneys, please.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:31 PM
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You realize the evaluation of transit projects are in the next phase of the TMP, don't you?
You do realize that there isn't actually any transit project even on the drawing board stage for that huge chunk of supposedly "equity priority" area east of downtown to be evaluated in the first place, don't you?
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:47 PM
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You do realize that there isn't actually any transit project even on the drawing board stage for that huge chunk of supposedly "equity priority" area east of downtown to be evaluated in the first place, don't you?
The TMP is what puts things on the drawing board. If you think nothing will be evaluated for that section of the City you are hopelessly pessimistic.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:50 PM
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The TMP is what puts things on the drawing board. If you think nothing will be evaluated for that section of the City you are hopelessly pessimistic.
Hopelessly realistic, is more like it.

Maybe there'll be one or two GPS-connected signals added to the stroad portion of Montreal Road. But that's about it. The Montreal Road rebuild that is (almost) complete rules out any improvement to transit on that corridor for the lifetimes of anyone reading this post.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:52 PM
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A sampling:
Feasibility study of a sidewalk along Buena Vista Rd from Springfield Rd to Lisgar Rd.
Feasibility study of a crossing of Banner Rd at Nancy Ave.
Feasibility study of pedestrian crossings of Colonnade Rd near Nepean Pond Park and 38 Colonnade Rd.
Sidewalk along Merivale Rd between Pineglen Cres and MacFarlane Rd and feasibility study of a pedestrian crossing of Merivale Rd at Brookdale Ave.
Feasibility review of a pedestrian crossing of Tapiola Cres east of White Clover Priv.
Feasibility study of pedestrian crossings of Walkley Rd at Heron Rd and Canterbury High School.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Provost Dr from McCarthy Rd to Thorndale Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Echo Dr from Bank St to Colonel By Dr and a crossing of Colonel By Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along the south side of Heron Rd from Walkley Rd to the existing sidewalk.
Pathway from Russell Rd to Sheffield Glen Park path. Feasibility review of a crossing of Southvale Cres at Sheffield Glen Park.
Feasibility study of sidewalk along Constance Bay Rd between Allbirch Rd and Bayview Dr.
Feasibility study of pedestrian facilities along Meadow Dr from Greely Community Centre to Parkway Rd.
Yes, all of these are feasible.

That will be, I dunno, $900,000 in very expert sidewalk feasibility study moneys, please.
You are probably right that they most/all are feasible, but I'm also sure there is some reason staff think they are more challenging than the other projects. I wish City staff were bolder and more assertive, but I think that hope went out the window when the City elected the current Mayor.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 5:54 PM
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Hopelessly realistic, is more like it.

Maybe there'll be one or two GPS-connected signals added to the stroad portion of Montreal Road. But that's about it. The Montreal Road rebuild that is (almost) complete rules out any improvement to transit on that corridor for the lifetimes of anyone reading this post.
Recent history would say you may be right, but I hope you are wrong.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2023, 11:03 PM
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Ottawa's new transportation plan must not overlook South Orléans
Development in my ward accounts for one-fifth of current new development across the city. Yet our transportation infrastructure isn't keeping pace.

Catherine Kitts
Published Apr 25, 2023 • 3 minute read


Ottawa Council is set to vote Wednesday on the city’s Transportation Master Plan (TMP, Part 1). It’s a document that will guide how people, vehicle and goods move through our city for the next 25 years. While it aims to improve transportation infrastructure across the city, it is vital that the east end is not forgotten in the process.

South Orléans has seen tremendous growth. Blink and you’ll miss an entire subdivision rising out of a formerly vacant field. I am told by city planning staff that development in my ward accounts for one-fifth of current new development across the city. However, our transportation infrastructure has struggled to keep up with the rapid pace of development. As a result, our residents face daily challenges with traffic congestion, inadequate public transportation options and limited, unsafe active transportation infrastructure.

It is high time to lift the east end from mobility poverty to mobility possibility.

Last year, council passed an ambitious New Official Plan. Front and centre in the city’s strategy for managing growth in Ottawa was the idea of creating 15-minute communities: where daily and weekly needs can be accessed through connected walking, cycling and efficient transit routes. Increasing the share of trips by sustainable modes of transportation is a laudable goal and is supported by most residents I speak to.

But, for that to be achievable, those options need to exist.

Current transit options in South Orléans and its surrounding rural area are limited, with persistent long wait times and unreliable service. A typical commute from South Orléans to downtown pushes 75 minutes on a good day, one way. City-owned lands reserved for a bus-rapid transit corridor in South Orléans remain vacant due to our longstanding stalemate with the NCC over the Brian Coburn extension — not to mention an under-utilized park-and-ride facility in Chapel Hill South, with few routes that justify its existence.

The Orléans community values active transportation, including walking and cycling, as a means of reducing congestion, improving health and promoting sustainability. However, our current active transportation infrastructure is also inadequate, with disconnected bike routes and lack of walkable amenities and employment. Of the TMP Part 1’s 244 identified active transportation projects, only five reside in Orléans South-Navan. This hardly takes a run at resolving the connectivity discrepancy in an area experiencing rapid growth.

Instead, South Orléans is plagued by traffic congestion. This has led to longer commutes, increased emissions and reduced quality of life. If we want to encourage sustainable transportation and a true modal shift in car-dependent neighbourhoods, we must invest in them. The greatest opportunity for modal shift is in developing communities where travel routines and patterns have yet to be cemented. Instead, we are building car-dependent communities.

We cannot shame suburban and rural residents for choosing to travel by car if we offer no other option.

The next phase of the TMP must include strategies to address the pressing traffic congestion east-end commuters contend with daily. City transportation staff have given assurances that they view the Brian Coburn extension as a necessary road link to meet future growth needs, but residents of Orléans know that the project is needed now. We have reached the tipping point where our roads are becoming unsafe. And while our planning policies are formed around a theoretical modal shift, the rapid pace of development is not hypothetical. It is happening.

City staff has made it clear that the plan is meant to be a living document, to be flexible and reviewed every five years to respond to our needs. We must remember that we want our growing communities to develop in a healthy way. Residents want access to reliable, efficient and sustainable transportation options, so let’s give it to them. Together, we can build an overall transportation network that enhances the livability and sustainability of our community for generations to come.

The policies and frameworks we’re considering today will determine how we move around the city until 2046. My hope is that it sets my community up for success once and for all.

Catherine Kitts is the city councillor for Orléans South-Navan and the vice-chair of the city’s Transportation Committee. Reach her at: [email protected].

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/kitts-...ion-plan-must-not-overlook-south-orleans
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2023, 2:33 AM
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Kitts is obsessively focused on the Brian Coburn extension. We can add sidewalks to Navan, improve bus service to the Chapel Hill Park and Ride, build much of the Cumberland Transitway WITHOUT the Brian Coburn extension. It's not the end all be all. It is important (Renaud is a complete mess), but it's not the only thing that can be done.

So how about focusing on what can be done for now instead of building a bunch of pointless roundabouts everywhere.
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Phase 4 of TMP Consultation is live, with map for pinning transit and traffic complaints.

https://engage.ottawa.ca/transportation-...onsultations-and-public-engagement-event
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Dear god.

I mean, my expectations were low, but they weren't this frigging low.

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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 3:08 AM
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The TMP is what puts things on the drawing board. If you think nothing will be evaluated for that section of the City you are hopelessly pessimistic.
They evaluated a bunch of things for the urban east side of town long enough to delete them from the plan.

I can't wait to ride my overcrowded and late urban bus route again tomorrow while thinking about how my property taxes are subsidizing the undeleted LRT extensions to the outermost suburbs.
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They evaluated a bunch of things for the urban east side of town long enough to delete them from the plan.

I can't wait to ride my overcrowded and late urban bus route again tomorrow while thinking about how my property taxes are subsidizing the undeleted LRT extensions to the outermost suburbs.
1) Yeah that north-east inner greenbelt area just got screwed in that plan, couldn't even bother with full transit priority lanes.

2) Why is the Alta-vista parkway, just noted as transit priority corridor and not Transitway. Only reason I can think is planners want it to never proceed, and f#@% over Greenboro east/huntclub east for transit.

3)That "future Corridor" for chapman mills transitway is useless, that area is literally getting built out right now & the best "planning" can come up with is we will deal with it later....

4) that bus extension of Line 2 is just stupid for multiple reasons not withstanding it will create stations that would be stupid to convert to rail if/when it got converted, also again

To put bluntly this doesn't look like a plan for a city that wants to grow, especially not a plan for a city that continually has councilors stating said growth should be within the OLD urban boundary. Though i'm sure the exurbs will love all the new residents, and Ottawa will love paying the road maintenance for them to drive in.

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Just buy a car. Problem solved. Besides... gas is 1.33 a leader meow! deal of a lifetime.

Until a BRT gets laid down on Baseline I can't pretend this city ever taking public transit seriously. I keep toting this number but in my brain all the LRT stage 1,2,3 or whatever and the line 2 and 4 totals 6.1B right? thats a lot of scratch.

I like taking OC Transpo when I have nowhere to be. If it takes me 1.75 hours to get to Bayshore to visit a friend, so what. I mean.. that's kind of it right? As someone who is self employed and has car ownership, public transit for me in def in the leisure range and I'll still use it often when beers and downtown wanderings are in order but that is all on my own accord with zero need for scheduling.

How about those Murals though?
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The hope of transit improvement that existed in this city between 2000 and 2019 is over. Most ideas that we discussed on this board are now dead.
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Councillor Menard doesn't seem to be overly bothered by the central city being screwed on transit investment again. From his e-newsletter.

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Transportation Master Plan Update
The city has launched the consultation on the TMP Capital Infrastructure Plan. Have your say on the future of transportation in Ottawa and share your input by completing the online surveys available on the Transportation Master Plan project page.

The draft Capital Infrastructure Plan identifies the transit and road projects that are needed to accommodate planned growth to the year 2046 and achieve the city’s mobility objectives. It also identifies a subset of projects that should be prioritized for implementation. This phase of TMP consultation also includes prioritization of the active transportation projects that were approved by Council in April 2023.

Get involved!
• Complete the surveys on the recommended road and transit projects, the prioritized list of active transportation projects, and other components of the Capital Infrastructure Plan
• Attend a public engagement session: virtual and in-person events will run from April 8 to May 6
• Sign up for updates and stay informed on the TMP process
Surveys will be open until May 12. To participate and learn more, visit the Transportation Master Plan project page.
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Councillor Menard doesn't seem to be overly bothered by the central city being screwed on transit investment again. From his e-newsletter.
Not surprised, he thinks of Ottawa as a bunch of small "communties" not a 1+ million person city, and the very same staff that created this lacklustre plan had to warn him his plan for bank street would cause issues for bus travel & advise against doing it.
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Not surprised, he thinks of Ottawa as a bunch of small "communties" not a 1+ million person city, and the very same staff that created this lacklustre plan had to warn him his plan for bank street would cause issues for bus travel & advise against doing it.
He's like a lot of the Glebe do-gooders, and simply hates buses.
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