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Old Posted Mar 8, 2023, 1:47 AM
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Can't help but comment on how disorganized looking that frequencies list is on page 2.. could they not have grouped it by departure airport at least? Why are the city pairs sorted randomly?

Otherwise.. happy to see a new direct destination out of YOW, even if it is on Flair!
Even Flair ? Much prefer the chaotic cheap fares Flair offers for somewhere like LAS though It’s probably a one way thing for 2X a week. It seems they dropped some of our domestic frequencies though as did Swoop. Weird as FLL and Orlando are dirt cheap to GTA especially KTW.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2023, 3:11 PM
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2023, 6:39 PM
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‘Use it or lose it’: New Ottawa-Paris route needs more than just excitement to take flight

Despite being local residents, 57 per cent of Paris-bound travellers from the Ottawa-Gatineau catchment are not reflected in YOW’s passenger volume because they started and ended their trip at another airport. This hurts the Airport Authority’s ability to attract future routes to YOW because the data understates true demand while over-inflating the nearby alternatives.

When it comes to Paris, pre-pandemic, the estimated true Ottawa-Gatineau to/from Paris market was over 80,000 annual passengers and unserved, a key selling point for Air France.

https://obj.ca/use-it-or-lose-it-new-ott...ore-than-just-excitement-to-take-flight/
No demand my a**.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2023, 7:49 PM
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No demand my a**.
The YOW folks who travel to YUL via the AF/KLM bus probably could fill an entire plane.

Two points:

- It will be interesting to see how the AF/KLM bus does while it runs concurrent to AF YOW-CDG (I know it route is less than daily, but the bus is still daily).

- The price needs to be right because people in the YOW market who are used to driving to YUL will continue to do so if it saves them $$. I know so many people who get rides to YUL or park there, but they never factor that cost into their total ticket price.

I am flying to BRU in three months and while I could have likely flown YUL-AMS on Air Transat for cheap (where I want to go is equidistant from both AMS and BRU), I chose to fly YOW-YUL-BRU on AC to avoid the driving, parking, etc. headache that could exist with YUL.

I am also happy to support YOW. I'll be on WS613 this evening, and looking at the seat map at check-in, it looked nearly full.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2023, 8:12 PM
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The YOW folks who travel to YUL via the AF/KLM bus probably could fill an entire plane.

Two points:

- It will be interesting to see how the AF/KLM bus does while it runs concurrent to AF YOW-CDG (I know it route is less than daily, but the bus is still daily).

- The price needs to be right because people in the YOW market who are used to driving to YUL will continue to do so if it saves them $$. I know so many people who get rides to YUL or park there, but they never factor that cost into their total ticket price.

I am flying to BRU in three months and while I could have likely flown YUL-AMS on Air Transat for cheap (where I want to go is equidistant from both AMS and BRU), I chose to fly YOW-YUL-BRU on AC to avoid the driving, parking, etc. headache that could exist with YUL.

I am also happy to support YOW. I'll be on WS613 this evening, and looking at the seat map at check-in, it looked nearly full.
Agreed. The route is not going to capture all 80,000 pax, but at the very least this 57% should drop significantly. If not, then Ottawa does not deserve such service and I will side with the carriers at that point should they decide to pull out.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2023, 12:37 PM
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I also suspect that a large portion of leisure bookings to Paris and Europe were already booked before the announcement, this will take a while. Had they announced this earlier, they would have better numbers. Curious to see how well it does in first year
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2023, 3:41 PM
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I also suspect that a large portion of leisure bookings to Paris and Europe were already booked before the announcement, this will take a while. Had they announced this earlier, they would have better numbers. Curious to see how well it does in first year
True. My sister-in-law booked her flights to Europe for her family a couple weeks before this was announced. She isn't flying AF, so changing her tickets wouldn't be easy. Might have been worth the effort if they were flying in or out of Paris, but they aren't. Had this been an option when they booked, it might have been a good option though.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2023, 10:01 PM
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WestJet gets government OK to take over Sunwing, with conditions
Deal will see Calgary-based WestJet take over vacation-focused airline

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Posted: Mar 10, 2023 4:17 PM EST | Last Updated: 8 minutes ago


WestJet has received official approval from the federal government for its proposed takeover of Sunwing, a move that clears the way for the merger to go ahead.

But the approval is "subject to strict terms and conditions that are in the interest of Canadians," Transport Minister Omar Alghabra said.

Among those requirements are stipulations that the vacation-focused Sunwing extend its getaway package offerings to five new Canadian cities. The combined airline must also maintain its capacity on routes "most affected" by the merger.

The government is also requiring the airline to maintain a head office for the vacations business in Toronto and a regional office in Montreal for at least the next five years, and is demanding that net employment at Sunwing's Toronto head office grows by at least 20 per cent in that time.

"Today's decision was not taken lightly," Alghabra said. "After considering the pros and cons, we have made the decision that will allow Sunwing to continue to provide affordable vacation packages to Canadians, create more good jobs, and protect current jobs as well as Canadians who have already purchased tickets."

The deal has faced a number of obstacles over the past year.

In the fall, the Competition Bureau issued a report to the Ministry of Transportation, citing concerns that the deal would be bad for consumers.

The bureau said a merger of the two carriers would create a monopoly on more than a dozen routes between Canada and Mexico or the Caribbean, and would lessen or prevent competition on more than 30 others to those same destinations.

Ian Lee, who teaches business at Carleton University in Ottawa, says it's hard to imagine the deal will be good for consumers in a traditional sense, because one less competitor for airline tickets typically leads to less choice and higher prices.

"Whenever any industry becomes more concentrated [it] typically means higher prices and reduced services," he told CBC News. But in this instance it may be more palatable because the alternative may well be for the privately-held Sunwing to cease to exist.

The airline became the focal point of outrage this winter, as travel chaos stranded or inconvenienced thousands of passengers in December and into January. The airline cancelled most of its flights out of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and the Maritimes for the rest of the season in order to focus on other routes.

"The alternative, I think, is probably worse because Sunwing is in ... a precarious condition," he said. "I think many Canadians would rather have a stable airline that is going to show up and take me home rather than flying on an airline where the risk is I'll be stranded because they have gone out of business."

The deal also faced opposition from within Sunwing's own union, which alleged that management knew this takeover offer was in the works but didn't disclose it — even as it was negotiating a collective bargaining agreement with its pilots.

Calgary-based WestJet employs about 8,500 workers. Sunwing has about 2,200 people on staff.

The financial terms of the deal have not been released.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/sunwing-westjet-approval-1.6775250
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2023, 11:31 PM
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2023, 2:22 PM
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2023, 10:23 PM
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Looks like Flair just had 4 tails seized due to unpaid leases.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/flair-airlines-plane-seizures-1.6776186
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2023, 11:26 PM
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Flair Airlines planes seized in Toronto, Waterloo and Edmonton leaves passengers scrambling
The company says additional planes being put into service to get March Break travellers ‘on their way with minimal disruption.’

By Kate Allen, Toronto Star
Sat., March 11, 2023


Four planes flown by Flair Airlines were seized Saturday morning at Canadian airports after the discount air carrier fell behind on lease payments, the company said, stranding passengers at the beginning of the busy March Break travel season.

A spokesperson said the four Boeing aircraft were seized from airports in Toronto, Waterloo and Edmonton, but could not immediately confirm the total number of affected flights.

The airline called the seizure of the planes by Airborne Capital, the Dublin-based company that leased the planes to Flair, “extreme and unusual,” and said that “the airline is aggrieved by this unprecedented action.”

“That kind of action is pretty wild in the airline industry. This doesn’t normally happen in the way that it happened today,” Flair spokesperson Mike Arnot said, adding that Flair has since made the payments owed to Airborne Capital.

Reached by phone, an employee of Airborne Capital said “we’re not commenting.”

Nik Poulimenos, a real estate broker, was booked to travel with Flair from Waterloo to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where he is attending a work conference — until he received an email saying the flight had been cancelled “due to unanticipated maintenance delays.” (A Flair spokesperson said some of the flights affected by the seizure were from Waterloo to Florida, but could not confirm which ones.)

For Poulimenos, the cancellation was a hassle — it meant driving into Toronto to catch a new, significantly more expensive flight on Air Canada, and disrupting his plans in Florida for later today. But as a father who regularly travels with his wife and four children, he said others no doubt had it worse, especially families looking forward to a warm March Break getaway.

“I guarantee there’s kids crying right now. There has to be,” Poulimenos said.
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Flair’s statement said, “We are truly very sorry passengers were impacted today, and are taking steps to get them on their way with minimal disruption,” adding that the company would use additional planes in its fleet to minimize setbacks to passengers and “does not foresee any major disruptions to its route map.”

The four seized planes were part of a fleet of 25 operated by Flair, which is based in Edmonton. Arnot said he didn’t anticipate that two others also leased from the same company would be seized since payments on those were up to date. Three other spare planes standing by for the busy summer months would be scrambled to the affected airports to plug the gaps created by the seized aircraft.

Arnot said that seasonal flux is typical in the aviation business, where operational costs — pilots, fuel aircraft — are high. He said that normally, an airline has a “trusted working relationship” with the company that leases its planes.

“What has happened is that there’s now a commercial dispute between Airborne and Flair about payments.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2023...monton-leaves-passengers-scrambling.html
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2023, 1:28 PM
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2023, 10:38 PM
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Could Ottawa be getting London Heathrow back??

Take a look at the map 3/4 down page.
Is it me or does it show Boeing 787 service
YOW-LHR??

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet/dreamliner.html#/

Last edited by YowItaliano; Mar 12, 2023 at 11:05 PM. Reason: Edit: Sorry old news from air canada site
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2023, 11:06 PM
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Take a look at the map 3/4 down page.
Is it me or does it show Boeing 787 service
YOW-LHR??

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet/dreamliner.html#/
I suspect that might be an old map as it also shows many of the YYZ-China/Asia routes that are not currently operating.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2023, 3:19 PM
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I suspect that might be an old map as it also shows many of the YYZ-China/Asia routes that are not currently operating.
AC also has no spare 787's all summer. Their wide bodies are full tilt all summer.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2023, 5:34 PM
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Checked the wayback machine and it's been the same image since 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/201901291606...o/home/fly/onboard/fleet/dreamliner.html

Speaking of the Dreamliner, I was poking around ACs YOW-YVR schedule this spring/summer and noticed they're the 787 during April, so back down to 2x 7M8 per day. Then in May AC342/345 will be on the 788, before going back to the 789 in June through until the end of October at the switch to the winter schedule (at which point 2x 320 are loaded so likely a dummy for now).

One slightly peculiar thing is on May 1 they're dropping the morning YOW-YVR and replacing it with a second evening flight, and it stays that way until the morning flight returns in the middle of June as the third daily flight. So from May 1-June 17 the schedule is

AC342 YVR 0920-1645 YOW x6 (788/789)
AC344 YVR 1315-2053 YOW D 7M8
and
AC345 YOW 1815-2012 YVR x6 (788/789)
AC347 YOW 2145-0006 YVR D 7M8
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2023, 7:03 PM
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2023, 7:27 PM
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