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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 12:25 AM
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Looks like WS will go down to 1x daily to YYZ once the Q400 leaves. Next fall I guess that would leave 1x YYZ and 1x YYC on 737s. I wonder if WS will even bother rotating an aircraft to do sun flights? Does this make F8 or even UA now a bigger airline at YOW than WS?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 4:06 AM
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Looks like WS will go down to 1x daily to YYZ once the Q400 leaves. Next fall I guess that would leave 1x YYZ and 1x YYC on 737s. I wonder if WS will even bother rotating an aircraft to do sun flights? Does this make F8 or even UA now a bigger airline at YOW than WS?
I am seeing 3x daily to YYC in July though (haven't checked many dates yet).
So in the summer, they will at least fly daily to YYC, YVR, and YYZ, with 5 and 6x weekly to YWG and YEG respectively.

Literally cannot fly WestJet to YHZ even via YYZ. So the Maritimes will be left to AC, Porter, Flair and PAL.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 1:00 PM
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I haven’t travelled by plane since the pandemic and for the first time I’m taking a 6am flight to Newark next week. What’s it like to go through customs and security these days? I just have carry-on luggage, is showing up at the airport 90 minutes before the flight enough time or should I b give it a full two hours?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 3:12 PM
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Looks like WS will go down to 1x daily to YYZ once the Q400 leaves. Next fall I guess that would leave 1x YYZ and 1x YYC on 737s. I wonder if WS will even bother rotating an aircraft to do sun flights? Does this make F8 or even UA now a bigger airline at YOW than WS?
Looks like the last Encore flight to YYZ is April 30th, according to Google Flights anyway. YOW-YYZ 1x daily on a 737 beginning May 1st.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 3:14 PM
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Today’s departure count: 66 - including 8 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 5

WS have now released their full summer schedule. YOW-YYZ is (drumroll) 1 daily 737 (equipment varies) with a 1730 departure. I never would have thought they would forego an early am departure. Is YYZ now essentially 1 evening bank + transcons + sun flights?

Another interesting one is when they announced the return of YOW-YEG, I assumed that meant ops X6. It’s actually ops X5. That’s unusual. As for the others:
-YWG remains daily
-YYC INCREASES by 5x weekly. First time ever they operate more than twice daily. New flight ops X26
-YVR is 11x weekly - 2nd flight ops X135
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 6:48 PM
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Looks like the last Encore flight to YYZ is April 30th, according to Google Flights anyway. YOW-YYZ 1x daily on a 737 beginning May 1st.
Thanks. This would explain my difficulty in trying to find a WS flight to FLA (RSW, TPA, MCO, FLL) in late June... it was telling me I had to overnight in YYZ. Blimey!

Feels like time to drop the RBC WJ card as its going to be very difficult using any of the benefits from YOW going forward.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2023, 12:32 AM
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I haven’t travelled by plane since the pandemic and for the first time I’m taking a 6am flight to Newark next week. What’s it like to go through customs and security these days? I just have carry-on luggage, is showing up at the airport 90 minutes before the flight enough time or should I b give it a full two hours?
I've flown a couple times recently and it's been pretty normal, but it's March Break this week in Gatineau and next week in Quebec so will be busier than usual.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2023, 3:21 AM
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Thanks. This would explain my difficulty in trying to find a WS flight to FLA (RSW, TPA, MCO, FLL) in late June... it was telling me I had to overnight in YYZ. Blimey!

Feels like time to drop the RBC WJ card as its going to be very difficult using any of the benefits from YOW going forward.
Flair will be flying to FLL all summer and SFB (the other Orlando airport) until early June.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2023, 3:31 AM
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Flair will be flying to FLL all summer and SFB (the other Orlando airport) until early June.
Yes, for sure! I was hoping to make use of my WS companion voucher this year but I don't think it's possible. FLL works.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Today’s departure count: 71 - including 11 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 4 - all PD, 3 of which are to YYZ
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2023, 8:09 PM
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Yes, for sure! I was hoping to make use of my WS companion voucher this year but I don't think it's possible. FLL works.
I feel your pain!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 2:03 AM
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‘Use it or lose it’: New Ottawa-Paris route needs more than just excitement to take flight

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[Sponsored by The Ottawa Airport Authority]

International travellers in the nation’s capital will soon have an easier time getting abroad thanks to a new flight from Ottawa to Paris, France.

Air France announced it will operate five weekly, non-stop flights between the capital cities beginning in June 2023 – a celebrated partnership for the Ottawa International Airport (YOW), which has not hosted a transatlantic flight since 2020.

Previously, the capital had stable transatlantic connections, with non-stop service to London-Heathrow, year-round, and Frankfurt on a seasonal basis. With challenges around finding the right sized, range-capable, aircraft to serve Ottawa-Gatineau’s market size – plus the impact of the pandemic, overseas routes from YOW were put on hold.

“This new transatlantic connection – which will carry up to 224 passengers per flight – is a momentous one for the capital.” says Mark Laroche, president and CEO of the Ottawa International Airport Authority, as it marks a new relationship between YOW and Paris’ Charles de Gaulle Airport, a global hub serving approximately 90 countries worldwide, and over 200 destinations.

“As one of the world’s leading airlines, we applaud Air France for capitalizing on the substantial demand for non-stop YOW-Europe service,” he says. “Not only is Paris a long-standing popular destination for residents and business travellers in the Ottawa-Gatineau region, Air France’s global connectivity from Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport is world-renowned, which is welcome news for our city.”

While the long-awaited return of transatlantic travel to Ottawa is good news for travellers, the success of the route is key to maintaining the service, adds Laroche.

One of the Ottawa Airport’s biggest route development challenges is its proximity to Montreal and Toronto. Historically, many local residents have chosen to start their overseas trip from Montreal-Trudeau International Airport or even Toronto-Pearson Airport – inflating the traffic numbers in those regions at the expense of YOW.

Despite being local residents, 57 per cent of Paris-bound travellers from the Ottawa-Gatineau catchment are not reflected in YOW’s passenger volume because they started and ended their trip at another airport. This hurts the Airport Authority’s ability to attract future routes to YOW because the data understates true demand while over-inflating the nearby alternatives.

When it comes to Paris, pre-pandemic, the estimated true Ottawa-Gatineau to/from Paris market was over 80,000 annual passengers and unserved, a key selling point for Air France.

The success of the newfound partnership however is dependent on ticket sales, says Laroche.

“It’s a use it or lose it situation,” he adds. “This is our opportunity to demonstrate the acceptance of a foreign carrier operating long-haul out of YOW. Air France has commercial goals that need to be achieved, or the service goes.”

Alternatively, adds Laroche, if the flight is a major success, it leaves the door wide open for other international players to see YOW-transatlantic as a viable route in their network.

The Paris service is also welcome news for the city’s tourism industry, many of whom played a key role in securing the new partnership.

Working closely with Ottawa Tourism, Destination Canada and Tourisme Outaouais, the Ottawa International Airport Authority was able to paint a picture of Ottawa-Gatineau as an attractive destination for inbound travellers to Canada from France, as well as encourage Air France to allow for ‘open jaw’ travel – a roundtrip itinerary that arrives in one city but departs from another.

Frequent flyers from France to cities such as Montreal will be encouraged to broaden their visit by extending their trip to Ottawa-Gatineau now that there is a direct route back home.

“There is huge potential to grow the visitor market in this area,” says Laroche. “That’s one of the areas Air France has been really cooperative on. They want to see Ottawa-Gatineau grow as an inbound travel destination because it will create a more stable, well balanced airline route.”

Early projections see Ottawa-Gatineau with a higher point of origin, but by working with destination marketers in France, tourism leaders in Ottawa, Gatineau, and Canada are counting on those numbers leveling out as the route gets underway and matures.

“This is welcome news for our visitor economy as Ottawa, the Outaouais region, and Canada at large will benefit from the inbound tourism opportunities this route creates,” adds Laroche. “We are excited and eager to see what kinds of success this partnership will bring.”

https://obj.ca/use-it-or-lose-it-new-ott...ore-than-just-excitement-to-take-flight/
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 4:58 AM
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Nice sponsored article about YOW-CDG.

Here's more route news. On Tuesday Flair should be re-announcing YOW-LAS 2x weekly starting with the winter 2023-24 schedule. This time it should get off the ground vs 2021 when traffic levels were still extremely low.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 5:20 AM
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AF allowing open jaws makes a lot of sense for Tourists coming to Canada.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 6:14 AM
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I haven’t travelled by plane since the pandemic and for the first time I’m taking a 6am flight to Newark next week. What’s it like to go through customs and security these days? I just have carry-on luggage, is showing up at the airport 90 minutes before the flight enough time or should I b give it a full two hours?
I flew to EWR in January and the US security screening in Ottawa took a grand total of 5 minutes! It was a breeze! The US is also not so 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about cosmetics having to be in a specially designated "Canadian Airport" plastic baggie. I had all my creams and stuff in my regular cosmetics bag and I didn't even need to take anything out my carry-on luggage (as I ALWAYS have to do on the Canadian side). Shoes still have to come off oddly enough.

All in all it was quick and easy. I was there 90 minutes ahead of time. You no longer need to fill out that annoying form before going through security which makes it even faster.

But yes...it's March Break so things will probably be quite a bit busier!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 1:56 PM
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I flew to EWR in January and the US security screening in Ottawa took a grand total of 5 minutes! It was a breeze! The US is also not so 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about cosmetics having to be in a specially designated "Canadian Airport" plastic baggie. I had all my creams and stuff in my regular cosmetics bag and I didn't even need to take anything out my carry-on luggage (as I ALWAYS have to do on the Canadian side). Shoes still have to come off oddly enough.

All in all it was quick and easy. I was there 90 minutes ahead of time. You no longer need to fill out that annoying form before going through security which makes it even faster.

But yes...it's March Break so things will probably be quite a bit busier!
Take a look at the flight schedule for the day. I was there to do a Tampa flight on Wednesday morning a month or so ago, and there were like 8 flights taking off before 7am to the US and A. The line FILLED the US screening area, then snaked behind all the check-in desks, and then crossed the floor of the check-in hall. In all it took 87 minutes and I walked directly onto my flight. An older couple in front of me missed their Newark flight and I felt really bad, she was beside herself and he was really angry.

After 7am? No flights until 11am. I don't understand scheduling. I mean, I understand everyone wants to arrive to do business first thing in the morning, but why does my blue-haired, 30-wheelchair flight to Tampa need to be in that mix? How about a nice 9am or 10am flight?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Take a look at the flight schedule for the day. I was there to do a Tampa flight on Wednesday morning a month or so ago, and there were like 8 flights taking off before 7am to the US and A. The line FILLED the US screening area, then snaked behind all the check-in desks, and then crossed the floor of the check-in hall. In all it took 87 minutes and I walked directly onto my flight. An older couple in front of me missed their Newark flight and I felt really bad, she was beside herself and he was really angry.

After 7am? No flights until 11am. I don't understand scheduling. I mean, I understand everyone wants to arrive to do business first thing in the morning, but why does my blue-haired, 30-wheelchair flight to Tampa need to be in that mix? How about a nice 9am or 10am flight?
Leaving before 0700 allows for the same aircraft to do two rotations down south in the same day. For the EWR folks, that's unfortunate. You have to be proactive though and ask to cut to the front of the line in those types of situations. Sometimes in these situations an airline agent will walk the line 45 minutes before departure and pulled anyone going to EWR from the line and 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 them to the front to make it...but you can't rely on that.

Today’s departure count: 65 - including 8 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 2 - both are PD to YYZ
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 6:53 PM
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YOW-LAS on F8 starts on 13OCT23. Schedule:
F8 1374 YOW-LAS 1305-1545 days 15
F8 1377 LAS-YOW 1630-2350 days 15

Intro ROUND-TRIP fares of about $140 are available.

Too soon to tell whether the route will be seasonal or year-round, unless F8 put out a presser soon.

On the flip side, CUN reverts back to being seasonal, BUT the last flight is in early June which is way later than anything else. With AF coming, we'll still have international pax counts every month in 2023.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2023, 12:07 AM
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Here's the current F8 winter schedule showing how YWG and YEG not being there = they're going seasonal: https://storage.googleapis.com/flyflair-...Winter_23_Announcement_EN_181542cc7a.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2023, 1:07 AM
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Here's the current F8 winter schedule showing how YWG and YEG not being there = they're going seasonal: https://storage.googleapis.com/flyflair-...Winter_23_Announcement_EN_181542cc7a.pdf
Can't help but comment on how disorganized looking that frequencies list is on page 2.. could they not have grouped it by departure airport at least? Why are the city pairs sorted randomly?

Otherwise.. happy to see a new direct destination out of YOW, even if it is on Flair!
     
     
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