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Old Posted Feb 22, 2023, 9:51 PM
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Maybe... a lot of the fans are actually from Europe and places that have traditional soccer culture

People are really getting their panties in a twist over people enjoying themselves and not hurting anyone
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2023, 10:41 PM
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Maybe... a lot of the fans are actually from Europe and places that have traditional soccer culture

People are really getting their panties in a twist over people enjoying themselves and not hurting anyone
They are entitled to their opinions, but so am I

My impression is that obsessing over the trappings of "traditional soccer culture" in the manner of "Vancouver FC" and "Real Salt Lake" was more a North American white person thing than anything else.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2023, 10:56 PM
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Did the public have input in the selection or was this left to multi-million dollar marketing firms? I can see the public gravitating to "FC". I see it less for "Real:.

Winners in names chosen by marketing firms or public competiitons have been few and far between since the 1990s. Toronto+Blockbuster movie and that was outdone by Anahein+Owner's Blockbuster Film Franchise. MLS differentiating their teams from other NA league with a European format isn't all that bad.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2023, 11:17 PM
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I can understand why the CPL team will be called Vancouver FC. But with the growing popularity of soccer in Canada. It's crazy not to give them to Langley FC name and in the future if a team in say Surrey or Richmond is founded. You aren't getting Vancouver FC vs South Vancouver FC while neither team truly plays in Vancouver lol. It would spawn some great rivalries. Hell, even if this CPL team draws the Whitecaps in the Canada Cup the Langley vs Vancouver looks better than Vancouver vs Vancouver.

Like the Giants playing in Langley.
Every other team that played in Langley either went by 'Vancouver' or tried "Fraser Valley" before reverting to Vancouver. There's not much marketing heft in in using the Langley name and far more in using the Vancouver name, even if people are going to split hairs over using metre sticks to determine how far away Langley is from Vancouver itself.
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MLS differentiating their teams from other NA league with a European format isn't all that bad.
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Maybe... a lot of the fans are actually from Europe and places that have traditional soccer culture
People are really getting their panties in a twist over people enjoying themselves and not hurting anyone
It's reasonably acceptable that the MLS faithful are slightly influenced by the fans they wish to replicate but to blatantly plagiarize an entire sports culture you have been a "part" of for less than 3 decades is a mix between pathetic/desperate. Like I said, Europeans cant stand it either Nobody is crapping on them over the sport they are a fan of. But to change your vocabulary to a foreign country's slang to appear authentic is a little ridiculous, sad really.

Those are traditions that span 100+ years across the pond and i find it distasteful to not only cheapen what they have built but to put themselves on a pedestal like being a soccer fan in America/Canada somehow makes you classier than the animals who cheer for traditional NA teams and leagues. And if you don't believe me you must not have been here for the Argos/BMO fiasco of 2015/2016
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It's reasonably acceptable that the MLS faithful are slightly influenced by the fans they wish to replicate but to blatantly plagiarize an entire sports culture you have been a "part" of for less than 3 decades is a mix between pathetic/desperate. Like I said, Europeans cant stand it either Nobody is crapping on them over the sport they are a fan of. But to change your vocabulary to a foreign country's slang to appear authentic is a little ridiculous, sad really.

Those are traditions that span 100+ years across the pond and i find it distasteful to not only cheapen what they have built but to put themselves on a pedestal like being a soccer fan in America/Canada somehow makes you classier than the animals who cheer for traditional NA teams and leagues. And if you don't believe me you must not have been here for the Argos/BMO fiasco of 2015/2016
I can only imagine how pissed off you'd be if a European hockey commentator said "he put the biscuit in the basket" while calling a game lol
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I'm just upset that every team goes with "FC" instead of "SC".
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I can only imagine how pissed off you'd be if a European hockey commentator said "he put the biscuit in the basket" while calling a game lol


A friend was an English KHL announcer and so for fun we provided him a list of other sport phrases or ones that we thought were funny for him to incorporate and very much along these lines to rile purists.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 2:16 AM
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Please don't cherry pick my posts changing the context to suit your agenda.
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I'm just upset that every team goes with "FC" instead of "SC".
Good point. They should change the league name to Major League Football if every team in their league goes by FC.
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The sport is internationally known as Football. FC instead SC is just not something that should occupy so much attention. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that the tradition of using a club name than a team name is MLS feeling superior over NA leagues with team nicknames. How? What does make sense is that those so offended by these club names feel North American is unworthy of Football (a.k.a. Soccer) transition. It's all over the posts.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Good point. They should change the league name to Major League Football if every team in their league goes by FC.
Major League Football will go over well with mothers.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 2:35 PM
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The sport is internationally known as Football. FC instead SC is just not something that should occupy so much attention. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that the tradition of using a club name than a team name is MLS feeling superior over NA leagues with team nicknames. How? What does make sense is that those so offended by these club names feel North American is unworthy of Football (a.k.a. Soccer) transition. It's all over the posts.
Who says it occupies much of any attention? I just said I didn't like it. SC sounds better and could be something unique to NA teams.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 2:37 PM
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The reigning champions of MLS are Orlando City SC and the newest expansion team is St. Louis City SC...
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Did the public have input in the selection or was this left to multi-million dollar marketing firms? I can see the public gravitating to "FC". I see it less for "Real:.
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At least in Montreal, the fanbase and public do not appear to have been consulted in the name and logo changes. Which explains why there was a major uproar and even a boycott of the team by some ultra fan groups for a while.

The team eventually backtracked on the logo by re-integrating some old Impact elements and colours, but there has been no change to the official name.

Lots of people still refer to them as L'Impact, though.
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So how does something lie the Toronto Maple Leaf Hockey Club fit into this?

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Amen brother. I have an approximant 0.009% chance of ever becoming a fan of soccer because of this exact reason. The entire MLS is a laughing stock in Europe. When i hear a north American call a soccer field a "pitch" or a goaltender and "goalkeeper" or a stadium is "grounds" it actually makes me want to vommit, In Toronto they are leaf,jays,raptor fans but TFC "supporters". These words are what Europeans use for all sports they are supporters of rugby,football teams ect the same way we are fans of said teams but for some reason North Americans borrow these European words for 1 particular sport. These IPA-quaiffing hipsters throw on thier granny scarves and cosplay Englishmen for the day. I would take the league more seriously if the game retained traditional north American fanfare. It's bizzare to watch them so desperately try to duplicate a culture from another continent .
I used to think like this too, but... I play rugby, and the chances are high that you will be coached by someone from the UK or Australia. OR, if not, that your coach learned their rugby from someone from there. Like half the clubs in Ontario were started by the Jones brothers from Wales (only slightly exaggerating). And then not just coaching, but also other club players are also going to be from those countries, and if you watch any rugby it's going to be from those countries.

All of that is to say that you do tend to... idk, "come by it honestly"? You learn these phrases and terms as you learn the game, and so you use them. Not exclusively, just as many people or probably more are still saying "field", but it's not a poser move to say "pitch" because, well, it is a pitch. And a field.

If anything, the reverse can be exceptionally annoying. Major League Rugby is entering its 6th season, and by far the majority of broadcasters are American - there's been 1 Aussie and 1 Brit out of about a dozen regular game callers. And they spend way, WAY too much time trying to put things into football terms "for the American audience". Phrases like "Malcolm is starting at flyhalf, that's like your rugby quarterback" have me screaming at the TV "shut the fuck up, everyone can figure that out from context", or at the very least you can be explanatory without making direct comparisons. "Malcom will lead the attack from flyhalf" achieves the same thing rant over...

The singing/chanting / scarf-wearing-in-July crowd still kinda annoys me though. Partly because all the songs are just copied from other places, and also they seem to be mostly based on puns that aren't funny the first time. I also don't appreciate being told to go to next song in the songbook like I'm in school Mass again (my wife and I were briefly involved with the Barton St Battalion when Forge FC launched, but very quickly decided that even if soccer is better to watch than we realized, we wanted no part of the "supporters" crowd). Luckily either rugby isn't big enough to have that annoying copying, or more likely I'm far too much a part of it that I'm blind to it. I sure do love wearing old-school cotton rugby sweaters, maybe that's the equivalent of the scarves?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 4:23 PM
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The official name of the Montreal Canadiens is "Le Club de hockey Canadien Inc.". It's been like that for over a century.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 4:27 PM
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The official name of the Montreal Canadiens is "Le Club de hockey Canadien Inc.". It's been like that for over a century.
The Blue Bombers have always been formally known as the Winnipeg Football Club. I was actually a little surprised that Winnipeg's CanPL team didn't riff on that (the team is owned by the Bombers) by calling themselves FC Winnipeg or some such... at least they would have come by it honestly.

"Valour FC" always seemed like a bit of a contrived name, but then, I tend to think our local sports teams overdo it with the military-related themes.
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The reigning champions of MLS are Orlando City SC and the newest expansion team is St. Louis City SC...
Both are good examples, yet for whatever reason they remain in the minority.

I swear, if Saskatoon, Saskatchewan's CPL team doesn't use SC...
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 5:34 PM
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Just for fun, in the top soccer league in Australia, out of a dozen clubs two use FC as their name, a couple have United or City (which is also Euro-style) and the rest have what we'd call North American-style nicknames.
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