Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 362

Denscity · #**7221** Posted **Feb 21, 2023, 2:56 PM**

Interesting UBC is building a new 5000/10000 football and soccer stadium to replace Thunderbird Stadium.

steve61 · #**7222** Posted **Feb 21, 2023, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

wierd try this

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-fc-stadium-willoughby-community-park-langley

https://biv.com/article/2023/02/bc-place-planning-suite-expansion-fifa-2026-world-cup

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/cr...l-team-could-be-on-last-legs-in-winnipeg

Those work

Coldrsx · #**7223** Posted **Feb 21, 2023, 9:45 PM**

Fully expecting this to be demolished following this tour.
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Media Tour of the Coliseum
February 21, 2023

News media are invited on a tour of the Coliseum – formerly known as Rexall Place. The guided tour will be approximately 60 minutes and include photo and video opportunities of the main locker room, main concourse, suites and arena. Lovey Grewal, project lead for the Edmonton Exhibition Lands Redevelopment project, and Pascale Ladouceur, Branch Manager for Infrastructure Planning and Design, will be available to speak about facility demolition, current building status and redevelopment of the area.

Date: Friday, February 24
Time: 9 a.m.
Location: 7424 118 Ave, Edmonton (Google Maps)

Personal Protective Equipment required: Closed-toed shoes and gloves. Media must provide their own PPE.

For security and safety, media are asked to RSVP by February, 23.

Media contact:
Michael Steger
Communications Advisor
Communications and Engagement
780-220-4458

Oilkountry · #**7224** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 6:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Fully expecting this to be demolished following this tour.
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Media Tour of the Coliseum
February 21, 2023

News media are invited on a tour of the Coliseum – formerly known as Rexall Place. The guided tour will be approximately 60 minutes and include photo and video opportunities of the main locker room, main concourse, suites and arena. Lovey Grewal, project lead for the Edmonton Exhibition Lands Redevelopment project, and Pascale Ladouceur, Branch Manager for Infrastructure Planning and Design, will be available to speak about facility demolition, current building status and redevelopment of the area.

Date: Friday, February 24
Time: 9 a.m.
Location: 7424 118 Ave, Edmonton (Google Maps)

Personal Protective Equipment required: Closed-toed shoes and gloves. Media must provide their own PPE.

For security and safety, media are asked to RSVP by February, 23.

Media contact:
Michael Steger
Communications Advisor
Communications and Engagement
780-220-4458

Out of all the old arenas being torn down this one just seems so wasteful its a solid shell with great bones. Cant help but feel like this could serve the community in some aspect.

blueandgoldguy · #**7225** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 9:11 AM**

Lots of great memories for Oilers fans in that arena, that's for sure.

J.OT13 · #**7226** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 1:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Out of all the old arenas being torn down this one just seems so wasteful its a solid shell with great bones. Cant help but feel like this could serve the community in some aspect.

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Lots of great memories for Oilers fans in that arena, that's for sure.

I'm somewhat surprised to see the arena where Wayne Gretzky had his greatest years being torn down without a second thought. Some use could be found for the building that would include a shrine to 1980s Oilers and Gretzky. Could be a huge tourist attraction. Might Katz vetoed any and all NHL/Oilers related use for it, not just a competing venue?

Coldrsx · #**7227** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 2:51 PM**

There were multiple pitches/proposals from a high-level athletic training facility to affordable housing, but nothing stuck.

https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...posal-aims-give-new-life-closed-facility

J.OT13 · #**7228** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 2:56 PM**

Housing in the arena? Wow! That would have been provided some funky layouts.

Coldrsx · #**7229** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 3:06 PM**

Basically ring housing with a central common (and massive) amenity space, indoor atrium, fitness centre.

J.OT13 · #**7230** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Basically ring housing with a central common (and massive) amenity space, indoor atrium, fitness centre.

I figured it would be the only way, hence the skylights in the middle of the roof.

Obviously, two very different projects, but I would imagine a large atrium somewhat like Woodwards in Vancouver, only circular and 100 feet or so high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward%27s_Building

bridgeoftea · #**7231** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I must have been out of the loop i didn't even know this was happening. Really surprised the whitecaps didn't just work with the cpl and Langley to get something really nice built. This looks like a mini empire stadium though perfect for the cpl

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...y-park-langley

In other Vancouver stadia news. Looks like BC place adding suites for WC 2026, My question would be why not do something a little more legacy friendly than more suites?? Something along the lines of rogers centre? replace the entire upper deck endzones with vip clubs, build a rogers place style 3 floor towers on each end. And the top 10-15 rows of the rest of the upper deck with loge seats and patios and then put in some more suites if you feel they are needed? I'm all for shrinking the place, its way too big for its main tenants and the 55k capacity is rarely needed I would love to see BC place between 40-45,000 seats. The renovation was great! don't get me wrong but for the price of 3 Investor group fields you essentially got a fancy roof and new seats. At that price point you would expect some structural changes to bring the building to todays standards. And now they are making the same mistake twice. These suites will essentially serve a purpose once a year or so and do nothing to create a fun atmosphere for lions and Caps who i'm sure haven't been asked what they would like to see.

https://biv.com/article/2023/02/bc-p...2026-world-cup
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I can understand why the CPL team will be called Vancouver FC. But with the growing popularity of soccer in Canada. It's crazy not to give them to Langley FC name and in the future if a team in say Surrey or Richmond is founded. You aren't getting Vancouver FC vs South Vancouver FC while neither team truly plays in Vancouver lol. It would spawn some great rivalries. Hell, even if this CPL team draws the Whitecaps in the Canada Cup the Langley vs Vancouver looks better than Vancouver vs Vancouver.

Like the Giants playing in Langley.

J.OT13 · #**7232** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 4:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

I can understand why the CPL team will be called Vancouver FC. But with the growing popularity of soccer in Canada. It's crazy not to give them to Langley FC name and in the future if a team in say Surrey or Richmond is founded. You aren't getting Vancouver FC vs South Vancouver FC while neither team truly plays in Vancouver lol. It would spawn some great rivalries. Hell, even if this CPL team draws the Whitecaps in the Canada Cup the Langley vs Vancouver looks better than Vancouver vs Vancouver.

Like the Giants playing in Langley.

Is there a reason why soccer teams are often just named "[insert city name] FC"? When they changed the name of the Impact de Montreal to just FC Montreal

esquire · #**7233** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is there a reason why soccer teams are often just named "[insert city name] FC"? When they changed the name of the Impact de Montreal to just FC Montreal

It's not necessarily polite to say it, but the Euro-wannabe aesthetic is intrinsic to North American soccer.

If they called them the Vancouver Hawks or whatever, the IPA-quaffing hipster crew would turn up their noses at the product.

bridgeoftea · #**7234** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is there a reason why soccer teams are often just named "[insert city name] FC"? When they changed the name of the Impact de Montreal to just FC Montreal

It essentially goes back to the start of association football in England in the late 1800s. The game started with literal "clubs". The first few being Sheffield and Cambridge. The early days were literally just school clubs or group of labour force who put together a club.

Examples Millwall FC was formed by the workers of JT Morton in Millwall
Burnley FC was a rugby club who decided to start playing football instead.
West Brom came from the workers from Salter's Spring Works.

For bigger cities like London, Liverpool, Manchester where you'd have different clubs being formed in neighborhoods near their workplace or university. For instance Millwall was formed on the Isle of Dogs (Cannary Wharf). Fulham and Chelsea are suburbs of London where their current teams play.

With a large portion of the original clubs being formed from the 1880s to 1930s they were either literal clubs or workplaces putting together a team.

"Newer teams" may be due to a clubs merging together due to financial or stadium reasons. Some die and are reborn (Bury FC to Bury AFC, Hereford United to Hereford FC.)

Some clubs have merged together for namesake and popularity and sent one of the clubs to the lower divisions. Stade Saint-Germain and Paris FC merged together creating Paris Saint-Germain in the 70s. Paris FC playing in the same city was relegated down to the amateur leagues.

Very brief history of where the FC/AFC comes from in regards to football clubs. You'll see SC (soccer club) associated with teams in Switzerland, Saudi Arabia.

esquire · #**7235** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:20 PM**

^ That is not how pro teams in North America came into being, though. "CF Montreal" and names like that are basically a form of cosplay.

TorontoDrew · #**7236** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Basically ring housing with a central common (and massive) amenity space, indoor atrium, fitness centre.

Interesting, I'm assuming the amenities would be open to the public to use as well? It can't be cheap heating and cooling a space that size.

Coldrsx · #**7237** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:25 PM**

Unsure, but that plan didn't get backed and so I believe it will be demolished to make way for other redevelopment opportunities on that site.

Repurposing of facilities like that are tricky, costly and more often than not, not ideal for any of the users.

bridgeoftea · #**7238** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

It's not necessarily polite to say it, but the Euro-wannabe aesthetic is intrinsic to North American soccer.

If they called them the Vancouver Hawks or whatever, the IPA-quaffing hipster crew would turn up their noses at the product.

I agree and disagree on both fronts here.
American sports naming convention is to name it as City, Mascot. I think if the team name is genuine and has a connection to the city, they should honor that American tradition. Seattle Sounders named for puget sound. Portland Timbers named for large forestry surrounding Portland.

The thing is it's not uncommon across the globe. Just off the top of my head I can think of Eleven Arrows (Namibia), Solomon Warriors (Solomon), FC Santa Claus (Norway), Kaizer Chiefs (South Africa), Changzhou Mighty Lions (China).

It feels disingenuous when essentially a billionaire buys a franchise, buys a stadium and then calls it a club. At that point it's not a club, it wasn't a group of like minded individuals wanting to represent their community to share an interest. Therefore, I think MLS should embrace the City,Mascot naming convention but make it as local, community represented.

I'd rather something ridiculous as minor league baseball names for MLS teams than billionaire wanting to seem more "English/German/French football centric".

bridgeoftea · #**7239** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ That is not how pro teams in North America came into being, though. "CF Montreal" and names like that are basically a form of cosplay.

Yes, I sort of forgot that part and went on a tangent LOL.
But in my reply to someone else I essentially agree I'd rather see Montreal Impact than CF Montreal.

Oilkountry · #**7240** Posted **Feb 22, 2023, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

It's not necessarily polite to say it, but the Euro-wannabe aesthetic is intrinsic to North American soccer.

If they called them the Vancouver Hawks or whatever, the IPA-quaffing hipster crew would turn up their noses at the product.

Quote:

Originally Posted by esquire

^ That is not how pro teams in North America came into being, though. "CF Montreal" and names like that are basically a form of cosplay.

Amen brother. I have an approximant 0.009% chance of ever becoming a fan of soccer because of this exact reason. The entire MLS is a laughing stock in Europe. When i hear a north American call a soccer field a "pitch" or a goaltender and "goalkeeper" or a stadium is "grounds" it actually makes me want to vommit, In Toronto they are leaf,jays,raptor fans but TFC "supporters". These words are what Europeans use for all sports they are supporters of rugby,football teams ect the same way we are fans of said teams but for some reason North Americans borrow these European words for 1 particular sport. These IPA-quaiffing hipsters

throw on thier granny scarves and cosplay Englishmen for the day. I would take the league more seriously if the game retained traditional north American fanfare. It's bizzare to watch them so desperately try to duplicate a culture from another continent .