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Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 8:37 PM
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They're incoming because things are beginning to bloom, not because somewhere East is warm today.
     
     
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A few days ago I saw one of those weather record tables and it pointed out that this past cold snap when the high was -13 or so was one of the top 10 coldest days going back to 1871. They had 3-4 entries from around 2003-2005 as well. I realized that I had an exaggerated sense of how frequent days like that really are. That cold snap period from the 2000's (and White Juan) sticks out to me, but it wasn't very common looking back through the 1870-2000 period.

I really don't think most people even in Halifax would guess that a day that only got up to -13 or so could end up in the top 10.

I have never said that the winter in NS and around here feel the same and don't think this. Mostly I make observations and it's other people who make arguments about which place is a hellhole, etc. I thought it was funny to go back and forth between the weather thread where people say -20 is unlivable hellhole territory while in the housing thread people tell you to move to Fort St. John. These arguments take on a life of their own in the different corners of the internet. This summer we will have the "heatwave Olympics" in here again while most real humans I know will complain about the heat.
I have never put much weight on outlier days, or even outlier years (like this one), nor do I spend much time poring over weather data, TBH.

Peoples' reaction to weather is so subjective that it's really hard to gather any kind of accurate impression of what it's like to live somewhere anyhow, because one person's "hellhole" can be another person's "not bad". Then there's the whole local booster/ego-driven phenomenon that seems to happen here. You can try to offer your impression of factual information and there will surely be somebody who will take it as an insult. As if anybody honestly gives a — whether the weather that they have to go out in is 5 degrees warmer or colder than somewhere else.

Regarding my comment about my impression that the weather is changing where I am, I can look back over decades and note that inane things like snowbanks at the side of the road don't seem to grow as high or last as long as they used to. Or that local lakes don't seem to freeze over and offer a couple of month's worth of skating like they used to. However even that is very subjective, and is at the mercy of how one remembers things (it's been proven in studies that humans have notoriously inaccurate memories).

Another factor for winter weather is where your local temperature usually resides. In Halifax, our winter highs have always hovered around the freezing point, so just a few degrees one way or the other can vastly affect the amount of snow and ice accumulation and therefore vastly affect our opinions of 'how bad' winter is. A winter with many days with highs in the 0 to -3 range can feel very different than one with 0 to +3 temperatures. When most of the precip falls as snow and it stays cold enough for the snow and ice to stick around, you are left with Ackajack's impression that once winter starts, you're going to be into it for a long time, so you might as well settle in. However, if most of your precip falls as rain, and whatever snow you have doesn't stick around for more than a few days, your impression can be very different, right down to the kind of footware you choose when you are going outside. They seem like relatively insignificant things, but can hugely affect how you feel when you are out there... just like the difference between a 5 km/h breeze and a wind in the 30-40 km/h range - the wind can make a difference between feeling like it's a pleasant day and a 'hell hole' day...

Weather in pure data, observations, and analysis can be very complicated, but probably 10X worse when you throw in the human condition. I recall a somewhat detailed discussion of wind chill on this thread a while back which illustrated that there even isn't much of an understanding out there of actual temperatures vs how weather factors (i.e. temperature, wind, humidity, etc.) can alter how a human interprets it. Then throw in the emotional factors, like whether somebody likes cold weather, or precipitation, or even a person's pride in where they live, and you're all over the place...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 8:55 PM
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6 and sunny in Toronto. Absolutely beautiful weather for early February.

Shockingly, we are only 1.9 degrees off the record high for this day (7.9). That's really low for a daily high record. But it's rare to get very mild weather from late January until mid February.
     
     
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I have never put much weight on outlier days, or even outlier years (like this one), nor do I spend much time poring over weather data, TBH.

Peoples' reaction to weather is so subjective that it's really hard to gather any kind of accurate impression of what it's like to live somewhere anyhow, because one person's "hellhole" can be another person's "not bad". Then there's the whole local booster/ego-driven phenomenon that seems to happen here. You can try to offer your impression of factual information and there will surely be somebody who will take it as an insult. As if anybody honestly gives a — whether the weather that they have to go out in is 5 degrees warmer or colder than somewhere else.

Regarding my comment about my impression that the weather is changing where I am, I can look back over decades and note that inane things like snowbanks at the side of the road don't seem to grow as high or last as long as they used to. Or that local lakes don't seem to freeze over and offer a couple of month's worth of skating like they used to. However even that is very subjective, and is at the mercy of how one remembers things (it's been proven in studies that humans have notoriously inaccurate memories).

Another factor for winter weather is where your local temperature usually resides. In Halifax, our winter highs have always hovered around the freezing point, so just a few degrees one way or the other can vastly affect the amount of snow and ice accumulation and therefore vastly affect our opinions of 'how bad' winter is. A winter with many days with highs in the 0 to -3 range can feel very different than one with 0 to +3 temperatures. When most of the precip falls as snow and it stays cold enough for the snow and ice to stick around, you are left with Ackajack's impression that once winter starts, you're going to be into it for a long time, so you might as well settle in. However, if most of your precip falls as rain, and whatever snow you have doesn't stick around for more than a few days, your impression can be very different, right down to the kind of footware you choose when you are going outside. They seem like relatively insignificant things, but can hugely affect how you feel when you are out there... just like the difference between a 5 km/h breeze and a wind in the 30-40 km/h range - the wind can make a difference between feeling like it's a pleasant day and a 'hell hole' day...

Weather in pure data, observations, and analysis can be very complicated, but probably 10X worse when you throw in the human condition. I recall a somewhat detailed discussion of wind chill on this thread a while back which illustrated that there even isn't much of an understanding out there of actual temperatures vs how weather factors (i.e. temperature, wind, humidity, etc.) can alter how a human interprets it. Then throw in the emotional factors, like whether somebody likes cold weather, or precipitation, or even a person's pride in where they live, and you're all over the place...
I actually do think that people west of Halifax in Canada have a skewed view of how severe the winters are there, probably because of media coverage of storms like Nor'Easters or White Juan that occasionally dump insane amounts of snow.

But those outliers don't give an accurate picture of how most of the average winter tends to be there.

(Many Canadians also can't appreciate just how quickly a huge snow dump can melt in some Maritime cities when a warm front follows and dumps tons of rain. In Halifax, Charlottetown, Saint John at least, though not so much in Moncton I find.)
     
     
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Interesting and shareable considerations! I have always liked your messages also because the way you write shows that you are a calm and rational person. Your considerations on the way in which we judge the climate of a locality by giving a positive or negative judgment based on our personal judgment is absolutely shareable. For example, I consider the climate of Palermo a "hell hole" and the climates of Canada heaven on earth. For example, Halifax is one of the cities on the planet where I would like to live also due to its stormy, rainy, snowy, foggy and cloudy climate. All climatic elements that many other people consider negative.

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I have never put much weight on outlier days, or even outlier years (like this one), nor do I spend much time poring over weather data, TBH.

Peoples' reaction to weather is so subjective that it's really hard to gather any kind of accurate impression of what it's like to live somewhere anyhow, because one person's "hellhole" can be another person's "not bad". Then there's the whole local booster/ego-driven phenomenon that seems to happen here. You can try to offer your impression of factual information and there will surely be somebody who will take it as an insult. As if anybody honestly gives a — whether the weather that they have to go out in is 5 degrees warmer or colder than somewhere else.

Regarding my comment about my impression that the weather is changing where I am, I can look back over decades and note that inane things like snowbanks at the side of the road don't seem to grow as high or last as long as they used to. Or that local lakes don't seem to freeze over and offer a couple of month's worth of skating like they used to. However even that is very subjective, and is at the mercy of how one remembers things (it's been proven in studies that humans have notoriously inaccurate memories).

Another factor for winter weather is where your local temperature usually resides. In Halifax, our winter highs have always hovered around the freezing point, so just a few degrees one way or the other can vastly affect the amount of snow and ice accumulation and therefore vastly affect our opinions of 'how bad' winter is. A winter with many days with highs in the 0 to -3 range can feel very different than one with 0 to +3 temperatures. When most of the precip falls as snow and it stays cold enough for the snow and ice to stick around, you are left with Ackajack's impression that once winter starts, you're going to be into it for a long time, so you might as well settle in. However, if most of your precip falls as rain, and whatever snow you have doesn't stick around for more than a few days, your impression can be very different, right down to the kind of footware you choose when you are going outside. They seem like relatively insignificant things, but can hugely affect how you feel when you are out there... just like the difference between a 5 km/h breeze and a wind in the 30-40 km/h range - the wind can make a difference between feeling like it's a pleasant day and a 'hell hole' day...

Weather in pure data, observations, and analysis can be very complicated, but probably 10X worse when you throw in the human condition. I recall a somewhat detailed discussion of wind chill on this thread a while back which illustrated that there even isn't much of an understanding out there of actual temperatures vs how weather factors (i.e. temperature, wind, humidity, etc.) can alter how a human interprets it. Then throw in the emotional factors, like whether somebody likes cold weather, or precipitation, or even a person's pride in where they live, and you're all over the place...
     
     
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Interesting and shareable considerations! I have always liked your messages also because the way you write shows that you are a calm and rational person. Your considerations on the way in which we judge the climate of a locality by giving a positive or negative judgment based on our personal judgment is absolutely shareable. For example, I consider the climate of Palermo a "hell hole" and the climates of Canada heaven on earth. For example, Halifax is one of the cities on the planet where I would like to live also due to its stormy, rainy, snowy, foggy and cloudy climate. All climatic elements that many other people consider negative.
Excellent description of Halifax weather.
     
     
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10.6 and sunny this afternoon

The wind has blown a bunch of broken-up lake ice up against the north shore of Lake Erie. It's hard to tell in the photo, but there is open water not too far out. I find it interesting how the ice keeps growing and accumulating for a few days after the cold. All these broken shards of ice make quite a sound as the waves roll under them.






I thought Rondeau Bay would be frozen over, but there is open water in the middle
     
     
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I was thinking of thr sound it would make when I saw the ice pieces.
     
     
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Fake Spring today in St Jacobs, mostly overcast but the sun came out when I got near the rail bridge:
https://imgur.com/a/LjKVMcB
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Not nearly as beautiful as the Kinsol bridge
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Excellent description of Halifax weather.
     
     
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WOW!!! Beautiful masterpiece of Nature! It looks like a Picasso painting drawn by a giant hand

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10.6 and sunny this afternoon

The wind has blown a bunch of broken-up lake ice up against the north shore of Lake Erie. It's hard to tell in the photo, but there is open water not too far out. I find it interesting how the ice keeps growing and accumulating for a few days after the cold. All these broken shards of ice make quite a sound as the waves roll under them.



     
     
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That is super cool. I want to crunch it and listen to it so badly lol
     
     
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They're incoming because things are beginning to bloom, not because somewhere East is warm today.
Keep updating us on how above zero it is.
     
     
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10.6 and sunny this afternoon
The wind has blown a bunch of broken-up lake ice up against the north shore of Lake Erie. It's hard to tell in the photo, but there is open water not too far out. I find it interesting how the ice keeps growing and accumulating for a few days after the cold. All these broken shards of ice make quite a sound as the waves roll under them.
Awesome photos Flar.
     
     
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Keep updating us on how above zero it is.
In the coldest country on earth its a big deal in winter.
BTW Vancouver is 7 degrees warmer than us on average every winter. Somehow, I go on.
     
     
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In the coldest country on earth its a big deal in winter.
Just for you.

The rest of us seem to cope.
     
     
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If we were the only place in the country that was cold in winter, I would point that out as well.

#newsworthy
     
     
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Now there's a cold wind blowing in from the northwest: went for a 90 minute walk to downtown Kitchener. City Hall has tacky new signage:
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overcast and 7c today, light rain at times. Pretty Meh kind of day.

Mild temperatures and sunshine should round out our week. Snow levels are rising quick, valley bottoms are now snow free.
     
     
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