HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #781  
Old Posted Oct 31, 2022, 3:12 PM
Kelnoz Kelnoz is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 176
Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamoforange View Post
I don't think now is the right time to be making communist vs capitalist jokes. considering what "communist" Russia is once again doing to Ukraine and what "communist" China is doing to the Uyghurs.
Which decade do you live in that Russia is communist? They haven't even claimed the title since the 90s...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #782  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 8:07 PM
Uhuniau Uhuniau is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,101
The Conservative opposition has questions:
Q-1203 — February 3, 2023 — Mr. Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes) — With regard to the Memorial to the Victims of Communism: (a) what specific work was done on the memorial between January 1, 2022, and February 1, 2023; (b) what is the monthly breakdown of (a); (c) is the 2023 target completion date stated in the government's response to Order Paper question Q-519 still accurate, and, if so, when in 2023 will the memorial be completed; and (d) if the 2023 target completion date has been delayed, what is the new target completion date and what is the reason for the delay?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #783  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 9:39 PM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelnoz View Post
Which decade do you live in that Russia is communist? They haven't even claimed the title since the 90s...
But they have been embracing their communist past, a process that has accelerated since the start of the current war.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/0...anniversary-of-stalingrad-victory-a80113
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #784  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 9:58 PM
JayBuoy JayBuoy is offline
Registered Loser
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 135
Quote:
Originally Posted by acottawa View Post
But they have been embracing their communist past, a process that has accelerated since the start of the current war.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/0...anniversary-of-stalingrad-victory-a80113
Can you give a better example?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #785  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 12:02 AM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayBuoy View Post
Can you give a better example?
He shut down Memorial, which documented communist atrocities.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/28/russian-court-memorial-human-rights-group-closure

He was rehabilitating Stalin even before the war.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...russia-rehabilitating-stalin-soviet-past
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #786  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 1:17 AM
YOWetal YOWetal is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,749
Quote:
Originally Posted by acottawa View Post
I don`t think Putin or the regime is particularly communist in their current outlook. It`s more like Confederate nostalgia. We lost but the other side was just as bad and shouldn`t get to write the history. It`s pretty hilarious how history is now taught in Canada when we probably have one of the top ten cleanest histories among the 200 nations of the world.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #787  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 2:08 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 29,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhuniau View Post
The Conservative opposition has questions:
Q-1203 — February 3, 2023 — Mr. Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes) — With regard to the Memorial to the Victims of Communism: (a) what specific work was done on the memorial between January 1, 2022, and February 1, 2023; (b) what is the monthly breakdown of (a); (c) is the 2023 target completion date stated in the government's response to Order Paper question Q-519 still accurate, and, if so, when in 2023 will the memorial be completed; and (d) if the 2023 target completion date has been delayed, what is the new target completion date and what is the reason for the delay?
Glad someone in official Ottawa is asking questions. That said, the Cons better not blame the Libs when they (the Cons) were the ones who initially propped-up these crooks.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #788  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 2:18 PM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
Glad someone in official Ottawa is asking questions. That said, the Cons better not blame the Libs when they (the Cons) were the ones who initially propped-up these crooks.
Not sure "we knew about problems for 8 years but didn't do anything" is a good talking point.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #789  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2023, 5:24 PM
Uhuniau Uhuniau is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,101
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
Glad someone in official Ottawa is asking questions. That said, the Cons better not blame the Libs when they (the Cons) were the ones who initially propped-up these crooks.
The CPC are coming at it from the point of view that the government isn't being anti-communist fast enough.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #790  
Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 2:05 AM
zzptichka zzptichka is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 2,399
I hope they have a good maintenance budget because you just know it will be routinely vandalized





And I wonder if that art piece is ever getting there or they replace it with some cheap garbage.

The focus is on a sweeping sculptural array, 21 metres long and nearly four metres high, divided into two sections. Along its length, a fine vertical veil of 365 stainless steel fins supports 4,412 bronze rods. Each rod describes a unique angle of the sun — one for each hour of every day in a year.


Reply With Quote
     
     
  #791  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 8:33 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,702
Price keeps climbing for Ottawa's still-unfinished communism memorial
Monument-building in the nation's capital has taken on a life of its own. And once again, the NCC's ability to manage projects is at issue.

Ken Rubin
Published Jun 08, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read


The Memorial to the Victims of Communism project has been controversial since it was first suggested during the Stephen Harper era.

Years later, it still has not been completed and public costs, once pegged at $1.5 million, are up millions more, to at least $7.5 million so far, according to documents I obtained using Access to Information legislation.

Almost from the start, the monument generated debate, with some saying it was too political or even too right-wing. So its original message was somewhat toned down, to “thank” Canada for being a place of refuge for peoples fleeing communist regimes. But it never was meant to be a monument recognizing Canada as a haven for refugees of all backgrounds fleeing injustice, oppression and persecution. It was about communism.

The Ottawa Citizen said the Tribute to Liberty group that promoted the memorial had contributed $1.5 million towards the project. The CBC reported the donors included some people and groups with known fascist ties. Some private donors will not see their names highlighted on the final memorial.

Then there was the contentious placement of the monument. Initially, it was to be constructed next to the Supreme Court of Canada and Archives Canada buildings, but some felt the site was too prominent and that the memorial conflicted with those institutions’ values.

The current site, selected in 2016-17 for a scaled-down monument, is still prominent: across Wellington Street and next to the Garden of the Provinces and Territories, which honours the component governments and peoples who make up Canada.

A Jan. 23, 2017 NCC-Canadian Heritage agreement with the Tribute to Liberty group was put in place in 2018. But there have been delays in building the scaled-down monument, attributed to the pandemic, though the difficulties started before then.

NCC records I obtained through access to information noted delays due to imprecise designs; a construction management model that allowed for starting such projects before design was complete; and the withdrawal of the design firm, Paul Raff Studio Inc., from the project.

An Oct. 5, 2021 NCC board of directors discussion noted that “financial considerations should be more precise in future design competitions.” The board authorized a contract of $3,761,650 to manufacture and install the artwork.

A payment of more than $625,000 went to Paul Raff Studio, which had won a design competition that cost the Department of Canadian Heritage $117,653.94 to run. Then the NCC, not satisfied with PRS’s work, embarked on a sole-source basis, giving the contract to Dymech, a metal fabricator, to do the artistic work. This led to changes in the artistic fabrication designs and the materials to be used. The art piece itself, the NCC estimated at $2.5 million.

The construction, now being done by Pomerleau Inc, has gone up in price from the initial 2018 estimated $1-million price tag. The NCC authorized an increase of more than $500,000 to Pomerleau, and a total construction project increase of $3,929,660. The escalating costs included problems with building the foundation needed to support the art sculpture installation.

NCC and Canadian Heritage spokespeople wrote to me in late May that the project will be completed by “late 2023,” saying that a total price tag of $7.5 million, authorized by the NCC on Oct. 5, 2021, still holds.

But it’s very likely going to be much higher. The NCC has not been willing to provide a fresh, detailed estimate. The costs of more than a decade-and-a-half of many agencies’ time spent on this file are not calculated in.

For now, the memorial site is a fenced-off area with a partial foundation that’s not likely to be open before 2024, given the long history of delays.

One 2022 NCC record notes that the setbacks “will have significant risk to the NCC’s reputation.”

Monument building in the capital has taken on a life of its own. Once again, the NCC’s ability to manage projects is at issue. Taking years to build, at excessive cost, with much controversy, the Victims of Communism memorial is Exhibit One.

Ken Rubin is an Ottawa-based investigative writer.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/rubin-...awas-still-unfinished-communism-memorial
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #792  
Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
FutureWickedCity's Avatar
FutureWickedCity FutureWickedCity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 339
Is it too late to just scale this down to a simple wall with plaques on it?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #793  
Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 12:51 PM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,929
It is interesting that people on this thread keep blaming the proponents, when the NCC appears to have botched the project.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #794  
Old Posted Jul 30, 2023, 1:14 AM
SL123 SL123 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,977
There's finally some progress..... 1/2 of the sculpture

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #795  
Old Posted Jul 30, 2023, 8:12 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,749
Quote:
Originally Posted by acottawa View Post
It is interesting that people on this thread keep blaming the proponents, when the NCC appears to have botched the project.
Communism is the answer to all our problems don't you know?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #796  
Old Posted Aug 1, 2023, 12:56 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 29,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWetal View Post
Communism is the answer to all our problems don't you know?
No one said that. We (at least I, don't want to speak for others) just don't think Capitalism is the answer either.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #797  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2023, 3:43 PM
zzptichka zzptichka is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 2,399
The focus is on a sweeping sculptural array, 21 metres long and nearly four metres high, divided into two sections. Along its length, a fine vertical veil of 365 stainless steel fins supports 4,412 bronze rods. Each rod describes a unique angle of the sun — one for each hour of every day in a year.


Wonder if they took into account that this place is surrounded by tall trees from the West and towers from the South. Doubt it will see much sun tbh.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #798  
Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 11:04 PM
Harley613's Avatar
Harley613 Harley613 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Aylmer, QC
Posts: 6,896
Wow, do we really have 40 pages of discussion over this?

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #799  
Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 11:59 PM
Ottawacurious Ottawacurious is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 570
Soon to be 41
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #800  
Old Posted Aug 11, 2023, 12:21 AM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,702
This is going to be a very difficult structure to remove graffiti from...
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:22 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.