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Old Posted Jan 20, 2023, 6:49 PM
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Edmonton street view. Click around to see the parks and the tunnel. Ottawa of course already has tunnels under Wellington connecting to Parliament hill but interesting idea regardless!

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Edmonton street view. Click around to see the parks and the tunnel. Ottawa of course already has tunnels under Wellington connecting to Parliament hill but interesting idea regardless!

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The entrances to a Wellington road tunnel would be blights.

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Old Posted Jan 20, 2023, 9:43 PM
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Building a tunnel under Wellington Street? How does this integrate with the rest of downtown? It won't. It just makes things worse. We don't need a downtown bypass. We need access within downtown, whether it is transit or regular traffic. A three block tunnel with portals at each end would ruin downtown. This is all overkill. And for what? Another dead pedestrian mall?
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2023, 7:17 PM
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Time to reopen Wellington Street to vehicles, city committee says
Motion passed to bring down barricades after March 1, and add a new bike lane

Trevor Pritchard · CBC News
Posted: Jan 26, 2023 1:10 PM EST | Last Updated: 1 hour ago




Ottawa's transportation committee has greenlit a plan to eventually reopen several blocks of Wellington Street in front of Parliament Hill that have been closed to motorized vehicles ever since the end of last winter's Freedom Convoy protests.

Last February, after the convoy protesters and their big rigs were dislodged from the downtown, city council approved a motion to temporarily close off Wellington Street between Bank and Elgin streets until the end of 2022.

Since then, concrete barriers have kept most cars and trucks away.

Pedestrians and cyclists have been able to use the road, but unlike the pedestrianized Sparks Street one block south, it's been mostly quiet, with few big events taking place during the closure.

On Thursday, after hearing from roughly a dozen members of the public — many of whom spoke about how the city was now blessed with a rare chance to completely rethink Wellington — the transportation committee unanimously voted to haul away the barricades no sooner than March 1.

"We have the opportunity to better serve families with a safe pedestrian-first space," said Derrick Simpson, chair of the Centretown Community Association's own transportation committee.

Simpson told committee members that short-term improvements to Wellington should include amenities like more greenery, food stands and public art.

"The convoy took something from us. But this is an opportunity to turn a dark time for our city into something beautiful."

The motion urged city staff to regularly update the offices of both Mayor Mark Sutcliffe and Somerset Coun. Ariel Troster about ways to beautify and animate the street.

It noted Wellington could be closed again during the summer for special events and community programming or for the "safety and well-being" of Ottawans. It also included a direction to city officials to keep talking with the federal government about their plans for a revamped and expanded Parliamentary precinct.

The transportation committee also approved Troster's amendment to add a temporary protected bike lane.

"I think we can all agree that the status quo — the bare, ugly barricaded street — is not an option," said Sen. Andrew Cardozo, a longtime Ottawa resident whose offices sit on the blocked-off stretch.

Cardozo told the committee they had a "once-in-a-generation opportunity" to animate and invigorate Wellington Street, but worried that allowing vehicles on the street again, even temporarily, could derail things.

"I urge you to go with the [people-focused] option," he said. "And I urge you to act quickly and get it moving and do it permanently."

The yearlong closure has caused headaches for nearby businesses, limiting deliveries and leaving some loading zones inaccessible, said Kevin McHale, head of the Sparks Street BIA.

It also shunted trucks onto Elgin Street and other downtown thoroughfares that weren't designed for that purpose, McHale told the committee.

"As more workers return to the downtown, these issues will only grow," he said.

With the return of public servants — many of whom would normally drive down Wellington — already underway, Thursday's unanimous vote will hopefully kickstart talks with the federal government about the street's future, said Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, chair of the transportation committee.

"Let's face it, it's not exactly a beautiful-looking street at this point," Tierney said just before the vote.

"I think what we all agree on [is that] something has to happen with that street. And what's been missing is our federal government partners to date. It's been crickets."

The federal government wants Wellington to stay closed to traffic, with Liberal members on one House of Commons committee calling for land transfer talks with the city in order to fold it into the parliamentary precinct.

In a statement to CBC, Ottawa Centre MP Yasir Naqvi said he realized Wellington was "not anyone's ideal space" right now, but the immediate focus should be on animating it with pop-up food stands and other amenities.

"The [committee] has already recommended the street remain closed to vehicular traffic to help secure the area and clarify jurisdictional boundaries," he wrote.

"Any temporary reopening would seriously affect this objective, and will have negative security implications for the entire parliamentary precinct."

As for Troster, she said after the meeting that her ward's residents are divided over what to do with Wellington, with her email inbox being stuffed with opinions from both sides.

While she'd ultimately like the street to be pedestrianized, the possibility of a bike lane and promises to liven up the space during the summer convinced her to support the motion.

"I think it will really bring people together to dream about the possibilities for Wellington," she said. "Because you have to see it to believe it."

The motion is slated to go to city council on Feb. 8. If approved, it would still take a while to remove the barricades, reinstall street lights and update some of the signs, Tierney said.

With files from Kate Porter and Natalia Goodwin

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/we...ransportation-committee-jan-26-1.6726807

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I remember a vigorous debate pages back where I was told to trust the process that will give us a magnificent reimagined Wellington street. I asked such questions as what process, what the TORs are, what the timelines are, etc. No answers were given except to trust that a process exists.

Here’s the reality, from the article, in case there was any doubt:

"I think what we all agree on [is that] something has to happen with that street. And what's been missing is our federal government partners to date. It's been crickets."

Open it up. The end.
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I remember a vigorous debate pages back where I was told to trust the process that will give us a magnificent reimagined Wellington street. I asked such questions as what process, what the TORs are, what the timelines are, etc. No answers were given except to trust that a process exists.

Here’s the reality, from the article, in case there was any doubt:

"I think what we all agree on [is that] something has to happen with that street. And what's been missing is our federal government partners to date. It's been crickets."

Open it up. The end.
It's amazing how many people believed there was some process underway without any evidence that there was.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2023, 8:19 PM
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Did they actually believe it or were they making stuff up to justify the closure in perpetuity? I know what I believe.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2023, 8:27 PM
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Did they actually believe it or were they making stuff up to justify the closure in perpetuity? I know what I believe.
I think people sometimes read what they want into things. For example, from CTV News in June.

"(Public Services and Procurement Canada) have expressed in the past a federal interest in taking over the street, and potentially other streets for a more cohesive management of federal assets in the precinct," Kanellakos said. "It is expected that these investigative discussions will take some time to conclude."

The most likely interpretation of this is "nothing will happen" but with some mental contortions maybe you can get to "the federal government wants to invest hundreds of millions to turn it into a world class pedestrian facility."
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2023, 8:42 PM
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I remember a vigorous debate pages back where I was told to trust the process that will give us a magnificent reimagined Wellington street. I asked such questions as what process, what the TORs are, what the timelines are, etc. No answers were given except to trust that a process exists.

Here’s the reality, from the article, in case there was any doubt:

"I think what we all agree on [is that] something has to happen with that street. And what's been missing is our federal government partners to date. It's been crickets."

Open it up. The end.

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Did they actually believe it or were they making stuff up to justify the closure in perpetuity? I know what I believe.
You two were so eager to be right that you fell for Tim Tierney's perfect soundbite.

While it's true that no federal agency has seized Wellington from the city to date, that isn't the same as there being a complete lack of a process. Staff have been in communication with PSPC and the NCC, and they're progressing with a study to examine what can be done with a closure, and even look beyond at expanding the closures.

What has been lacking though is any real fact-based justification for reopening the road. The same report submitted by staff is clear that the closure of Wellington has not resulted in a collapse of the downtown's traffic network, while many of the arguments presented by councillors in favour of reopening the road were predicated on traffic concerns. Apparently a closed Wellington is a blight on the city, but stacking it full of private cars again with some temporary bike lanes is just what we need. Great.

Here's that report: https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=105788

We gain nothing by reopening this road, but we lose a lot of momentum. Hope you're happy.
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It was a strange one. Many Councillors on the committee claim that they believe in pedestrians streets, all but one delegate spoke in favour of keeping it closed, and the Sparks BIA's arguments to leave it open don't hold water (bad for business? how?). Yet they unanimously voted in favour of opening it. Troster, who was McKenney's candidate for replacement and Devine, who immediately re-Tweeted a Montreal article about the benefits of pedestrianizing streets, are particularly confusing.

That said, I personally was ok with either outcome. On the one hand, a few planters and orange temporary closure signs don't make a good pedestrian street. Until we have an actual plan to make it a good pedestrian street, along with trams, real bike lanes and the likes, maybe we might as well reopen.

The arguments for keeping it closed now are weak. Safety? Prevent another "Freedom" Convoy? What does it matter if they park on Wellington on on other streets closer to where people live? The better argument that I have heard is that it will be harder to close it again in the future.

On the other hand, having it closed for a year showed us that the City's road system hasn't collapsed into anarchy.

With that, the argument for re-opening it is dubious as well. Traffic chaos? The death of Sparks Street? I don't buy it. Yes, Wellington is convenient to get across Downtown or the City, but it's not essential for visiting Downtown and certainly does not contribute to the vitality (or lack thereof) of Sparks.

I think reopening it now until we have a plan in place and ready for implementation is reasonable. Figure out the tram situation, the Alexandra Bridge (closed Wellington is easier if Alexandra no longer accepts cars) and then we can talk. I just hope that it won't be a battle to close it again when we do have that vision sorted out.
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So in 12 months "A Transportation Working Group has been established...to direct and oversee a transportation study...."
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It was a strange one. Many Councillors on the committee claim that they believe in pedestrians streets, all but one delegate spoke in favour of keeping it closed, and the Sparks BIA's arguments to leave it open don't hold water (bad for business? how?). Yet they unanimously voted in favour of opening it. Troster, who was McKenney's candidate for replacement and Devine, who immediately re-Tweeted a Montreal article about the benefits of pedestrianizing streets, are particularly confusing.
Maybe they finally figured out it wasn't a pedestrian street and there were no concrete plants to make it one.
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Maybe they finally figured out it wasn't a pedestrian street and there were no concrete plants to make it one.
That's how my view has changed. I also don't think we can afford another pedestrian street failure.
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We gain nothing by reopening this road, but we lose a lot of momentum. Hope you're happy.
More like satisfied with the reasonableness of this approach until something better ever comes along. Process away in the meantime.
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Edmonton street view. Click around to see the parks and the tunnel. Ottawa of course already has tunnels under Wellington connecting to Parliament hill but interesting idea regardless!

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I've never seen Edmonton's downtown. The google map looks like something featured on a YouTube showing off a Cities Skyline build. What's up with that High Bridge?
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You two were so eager to be right that you fell for Tim Tierney's perfect soundbite.

While it's true that no federal agency has seized Wellington from the city to date, that isn't the same as there being a complete lack of a process. Staff have been in communication with PSPC and the NCC, and they're progressing with a study to examine what can be done with a closure, and even look beyond at expanding the closures.

What has been lacking though is any real fact-based justification for reopening the road. The same report submitted by staff is clear that the closure of Wellington has not resulted in a collapse of the downtown's traffic network, while many of the arguments presented by councillors in favour of reopening the road were predicated on traffic concerns. Apparently a closed Wellington is a blight on the city, but stacking it full of private cars again with some temporary bike lanes is just what we need. Great.

Here's that report: https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=105788

We gain nothing by reopening this road, but we lose a lot of momentum. Hope you're happy.
Momentum? I’ve not seen it. Acting to reopen the street might give the feds a nudge, but any real action is likely years off.

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Motion to reopen Wellington Street to traffic up for vote by council after passing through city's transportation committee
The text of the motion that passed Thursday, set to rise to council on Feb. 8, directs city staff to continue discussions with federal officials about the potential of a "redefined Parliamentary Precinct"

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 26, 2023 • 4 minute read




A motion was walked on and passed unanimously at council’s transportation committee Thursday to have the street — which has been closed to traffic since the convoy protest’s departure last February — reopened as soon as “operationally feasible.” That would be sometime after March 1 to allow for traffic infrastructure to be re-installed.

It’s a decision that Mayor Mark Sutcliffe has said the city needed to make in the short-term while long-term conversations continue with the federal government about the future of the historic boulevard fronting Parliament Hill. That includes whether ownership of Wellington Street should be transferred from the city to the federal government, if it should be closed to vehicles permanently and how the street could be reimagined.

Transportation Chair Tim Tierney said the committee’s discussion, which was forecast in the media over the last week, has already attracted federal attention.

“I think what we all agree on — something has to happen with that street. And what’s been missing is our federal government partners to date. It’s been crickets,” said Tierney, in closing remarks at Thursday’s meeting.

“If this is what it took to be able to energize that discussion and bring it back to the table, I’m certainly happy to do that.”

Asked if that’s what the motion to re-open the street was really about, Tierney said it’s a “side benefit.”

A traffic challenge emerged for the Wellington Street area when the feds recently decided to summon workers back to the office, Tierney told reporters after the meeting.

“That created the first problem, but the second opportunity, I’ll say, is to get that conversation (about the future of Wellington Street) going.”

The text of the motion that passed Thursday, set to rise to council on Feb. 8, directs city staff to continue discussions with federal officials about the potential of a “redefined Parliamentary Precinct.”

Soon after convoy protest participants were pushed out of downtown last year, Ottawa city council passed a motion directing staff to explore the possibility of transferring ownership of Wellington Street — and all of its costly security headaches — to the federal government. A Parliamentary committee, meanwhile, has also recommended the federal government assume responsibility for Wellington and Sparks streets as part of an expanded Parliamentary Precinct.

The news that council was going to vote on a short-term reopening of the street has ruffled some federal feathers, with Ottawa Centre MP Yasir Naqvi going so far as to suggest that following through could affect talks between the city and his government, “and will have negative security implications for the entire Parliamentary Precinct.”

Stittsville ward Coun. Glen Gower, one of the transportation committee’s members, raised a question about whether reopening is indeed safe. Tierney said he and the mayor had discussions with police and that the street wasn’t truly secured at this point anyways — it’s still being accessed by some vehicles.

“And I would think if there were serious concerns we’d be hearing about it at committee today,” Gower added, either from the Ottawa police or Parliamentary security.

The only federal politician who actually came to present before the committee was recently appointed senator and Ottawa resident Andrew Cardozo. He urged councillors to prioritize pedestrians and not invite vehicles back, suggesting a bevy of ideas for year-round animation, from organized hockey games and the wooden kiosks featured at the Lansdowne Christmas market to asphalt removal and Adirondack chairs once the weather warms up.

“Over the coming weeks and months, you can gradually make it a pleasant, attractive, tourist destination that can do our capital and our country proud.”

But committeee members weren’t clamouring to have city taxpayers shoulder the responsibility for a transformation of Wellington Street, as much as a number spoke about this being a desirable end state for the area.

Most of the short list of public presenters at Thursday’s meeting were opposed to bringing vehicles back onto Wellington, raising concerns about the environment, active transportation and urban planning.

Somerset ward Coun. Ariel Troster, whose constituency includes Wellington Street, engaged with a number of them about the possibility of compromise, such as if Wellington were to reopen, how some of the prized aspects of a street closure, like safer cycling, could be preserved.

“I’m an idealist but I’m also a pragmatist,” Troster told her fellow committee members at one point.

The motion that ultimately passed Thursday includes language directing staff to explore options for temporary Wellington Street closures this summer for special events or for residents’ wellbeing and to include a temporary protected bike lane with flex posts.

Staff did not have a cost estimate for the reopening of Wellington prepared for Thursday’s meeting. Phil Landry, the city’s director of traffic services, said he didn’t expect costs would add up to very much — the traffic infrastructure remains in place, so it’s a matter of removing barriers, replacing signs and setting up the flex-post bike lane — but said staff would be tracking these costs.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...g-through-citys-transportation-committee
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Momentum? I’ve not seen it. Acting to reopen the street might give the feds a nudge, but any real action is likely years off.
It's harder to close a road than to keep it closed.

Some members of the committee literally argued that congestion was a reason to re-open the road, despite staff clearly stating that this was not necessary. Even if/when a study comes back with a recommended plan, will this council be able to vote to close it? It certainly doesn't look like they have the conviction that even the last council did to do so.

But stilll, even now that the road is re-opened, there's still a lack of a real reason it needs to be re-opened in the interim from those who have argued for it.
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No road needs to be open, they can close any random downtown street and it won’t end the world.

The reserved 4 lane road for politicians is just a dumb use of a street.
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Ottawa being bold, dreaming large, imagining possibilities for new ideas... nope, not interested - CARS FOREVER - we really don't deserve nice things - but SoPa forever!
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