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Old Posted Sep 1, 2021, 9:22 PM
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"unsubstantiated" = wrong - sorry you were offended but I stand by my comment
Has there been much NIMBY activity in relation to this one? I haven’t heard of very much. Anything I have heard has come from the Dow’s Lake side, as they don’t like the height on Cambridge. (They are also the ones leading the charge against the new Civic, which is more ridiculous and threatens to delay a hospital, which is a much bigger deal.)

I hate NIMBYs as much as the next guy, but I kind of agree with the comment - there is enough actual NIMBYism going on that it hardly seems necessary to invent NIMBYism so you can make fun of it.
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Has there been much NIMBY activity in relation to this one? I haven’t heard of very much. Anything I have heard has come from the Dow’s Lake side, as they don’t like the height on Cambridge. (They are also the ones leading the charge against the new Civic, which is more ridiculous and threatens to delay a hospital, which is a much bigger deal.)

I hate NIMBYs as much as the next guy, but I kind of agree with the comment - there is enough actual NIMBYism going on that it hardly seems necessary to invent NIMBYism so you can make fun of it.
New proposal, only filed 2021-07-19 so give it time, and i'm sure with time the Rosebery group (https://twitter.com/roseberygroup and likely local politicians) will be along to oppose this as they are the project on Chamberlain.

Which if not mistaken was opposed for mockingly "similar" reasons as to those stated by Marshsparrow.
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New proposal, only filed 2021-07-19 so give it time, and i'm sure with time the Rosebery group (https://twitter.com/roseberygroup and likely local politicians) will be along to oppose this as they are the project on Chamberlain.

Which if not mistaken was opposed for mockingly "similar" reasons as to those stated by Marshsparrow.
This one has been in discussions with the community association for months, though it’s true that no formal position has been taken.

I don’t agree with the opposition to Chamberlain, but to be fair, the opposition was that the 16-storey building directly abuts single family homes with no transition, and it contradicts the secondary plan that is being developed. Not quite as unreasonable as portrayed (though I recognize that it is replacing a parking lot beside a highway). In this case, there is transition, though the main street rules aren’t being respected.

I’m about 3 blocks from here and I hope it goes up, albeit with an enhanced setback on Bronson.
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You are wrong. The tone of this forum has always been casual, and we embrace sarcasm here. Knocking on NIMBY's, — architects, and cheapo developers is what we do for fun here and there is nothing wrong with that.
He was just saying he thought it was detracting. Next time you feel the need to speak on behalf of the whole forum maybe don't.
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He was just saying he thought it was detracting. Next time you feel the need to speak on behalf of the whole forum maybe don't.
Welcome to the forum Peenermcnoober. Thank you for your critique on your 8th post, duly noted.

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Welcome to the forum Peenermcnoober. Thank you for your critique on your 8th post, duly noted.
Oh I see it now. You're right the sarcasm is really fun!
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Oh I see it now. You're right the sarcasm is really fun!
Without humour and a bit of sarcasm the Internet would be a bleak place. Just like how wihtout NIMBYs all of our cities would be perfect! Give it a bit of time and you will get used to the general tone of this forum and recognize why SSP forumers have grown to feel that everything in this city gets dumbed down and value-designed much to our chagrin. #whycantwehavenicethings
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I did not mean to stir up a hornets nest from my comment - I will guard the sarcasm, humour and arm-chair architecture/design comments...
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NIMBY sarcasm is sometimes much too easy to make fun of, lots of it being nonsensical, and so vocal that sometimes us armchair critics ONLY have this forum to vent about them.

And for the record, Harley IS the forum... mostly, so he's entitled to his opinion. He should have some sort of 'senior forum member' associated with his profile. Without him, most of the photos and site plan updates just wouldn't be posted.
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NIMBY sarcasm is sometimes much too easy to make fun of, lots of it being nonsensical, and so vocal that sometimes us armchair critics ONLY have this forum to vent about them.

And for the record, Harley IS the forum... mostly, so he's entitled to his opinion. He should have some sort of 'senior forum member' associated with his profile. Without him, most of the photos and site plan updates just wouldn't be posted.
I concur. Motion seconded.
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Two-building proposal calls for mix of student rentals, other units near Carleton University

OBJ, September 17, 2021



A Gatineau developer wants to construct a two-building project near Carleton University that would feature a 26-storey mixed-use highrise with a large student residence component.

In a recent planning application, Katasa Group says the development at the corner of Carling and Bronson avenues would be built in two phases, with the highrise con

storey apartment complex.

The 26-storey tower would include a four-storey podium with more than 80 rental units targeted at students and an additional 150 rental suites in the floors above.

The building would feature 7,500 square feet of amenity space such as a theatre room, study rooms, music rooms, lounges and a gym. The plan also calls for a small ground-floor retail space that’s expected to house a coffee shop.

Phase two of the project would be a nine-storey building fronting onto Cambridge Street that would include about 100 rental units. Both buildings would be served by a two-level underground garage with 174 parking spaces, including 22 for visitors.

The proposed highrise’s 82-metre height exceeds current zoning limits, which range from 11 metres to 30 metres depending on where the building is located. The builder is also requesting zoning relief to allow for decreased setbacks.

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Old Posted Oct 1, 2021, 2:33 PM
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26 storeys at Bronson and Carling. A mistake by the lake?

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Oct 01, 2021 • 1 hour ago • 4 minute read


You wonder some days if city hall would approve a highrise in a graveyard, as long as it had ground-floor retail and a transit stop.

I mean, is there ever a wrong place for a tower anymore?

There’s an application with the planning department for a 26-storey highrise at the corner of Bronson and Carling, an intersection so busy it constantly roars, day and night, with a grinding, motorized anger.

The tower is high enough (82 metres) that a study indicates, on fall afternoons, a good part of the playing field at Glebe Collegiate would be in shadow. And it’s across the street.

As for battered old Bronson, “traffic sewer”, “pedestrian nightmare”, “dangerous and hazardous” — “a highway and parking lot, all at the same time” — are descriptions of its asphalt ambience.

And this is before adding 328 units (in two phases) and 174 parking spots in two underground levels at one of its busiest corners, with some 26,000 vehicles crossing it daily. Really, where does it end?

So, not surprisingly, the residents in the Dow’s Lake area are worried the building is too big, out of scale and character with its surroundings and designed to spill traffic into a quite lovely, established neighbourhood that slopes towards the lake.

“We’re not opposed to development,” says Duncan Ault, a lawyer who lives with wife Margot and a toddler a few door away.

“We’re opposed to bad development. This site is ripe for development. It ought to be developed, but this high-rise is egregiously out of place.”

It is at least the third proposal at the corner and residents say they supported a 12-storey condo plan that would have stepped down the heights to about six stories at the Cambridge South side toward the lake.

Robert Bell, a high-tech entrepreneur who lives nearby, said he shocked the planning committee in 2017, when he spoke in favour of the failed 12-storey plan, which would finally have put a weed-strewn lot to better use. (Oldtimers will remember a gas station at the corner. Real oldtimers will remember a lumber yard a few steps away.)

“(The developers) purchased the property knowing what the zoning was and presumably they’re prepared to build within the zoning,” Bell said. “I mean, wouldn’t you think?”

This is a point underlined by Sue Stefko, a public servant who lives in the Glebe Annex. On a chilly fall morning, she put her finger on an issue that has driven residents crazy across the city: that negotiated zoning restrictions shatter from intensification zeal, especially near transit.

It’s the new Ottawa math: 12 storeys, inside the Greenbelt, equals 26.

“Development within the zoning guidelines. It does happen. It should happen. That’s how we trust what’s in the zoning, that’s how we trust what’s in the plan. Otherwise, it’s so difficult to have faith in the system.”

Capital Ward Coun. Shawn Menard, a member of the city’s planning committee, this month held a public meeting on the proposal. He doesn’t support its current form. “There needs to be some big changes here.”

Density and height are issues, he said, but the main one is integrating the build into the established neighbourhood, one bordered by a chaotic thoroughfare. “Adding density there needs to come with safety improvements” to the streetscape, he said.

“I’m really urging the developer, the community and city staff to come up with a negotiated solution here that better suits the needs of everyone.”

The first phase is for 224 units, including 73 intended for students on the first few floors. The main vehicle entrance would be on Bronson, just south of Carling, with an exit west on Cambridge. The site plan shows little green or public realm space.

Adding intrigue is the applicant Katasa, a Gatineau-based builder now busily expanding in the capital. It is a central figure in a coroner’s inquest in Dorval, Que., looking at the terrible conditions at a Katasa-owned long-term care home in which 47 people died during the pandemic.

The tragedies set reporters looking into the history of the Katasa Groupe, only to discover its president, Samir Chowieri, had a criminal history (mostly related to drug-trafficking) from which he has since been pardoned.

Daughter Tanya told the public meeting on the tower project the company is very sad about the Dorval situation, but added: “Honestly, one has nothing to do with the other.”

It is unclear if the company is willing to negotiate on the 26 floors.

“As you may already know, we’re working with the Ottawa-based urban planning firm Fotenn to align this project with zoning bylaws, the city’s density objectives and local input,” Chowieri replied.

“…. We’ve asked our urban planning consultants to continue to work closely with residents, the councillor and city officials to develop the best proposal for everyone.”

Fewer trees around Dow’s Lake, but a forest of glass and concrete growing on Carling’s hillside — all, weirdly, according to plan.

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-291-6265 or email [email protected]
Twitter.com/kellyegancolumn

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ronson-and-carling-a-mistake-by-the-lake
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And there, ladies and gents, is the NIMBY response.

I do find it interesting however, if there ever was a Carling transit anything, this would be both the beginning and terminus. It is infact in a great location, as has been admitted to by almost all. The issue is height and setbacks (as usual). I would argue, Carling is a major throughfare (despite ending literally out front) and Bronson too is a major throughfare. What this site needs isnt a redraw, it needs a redevelopment of the streets and transit infrastructure. Perhaps a reversal of where the tower it, place it in back but keep the podium height throughout.

The same issues exist in every city. I live in Victoria now and one of the municipalities is having a row over whether or not to add (not just units) but any population growth whatsoever. The vocal part of that community (which is probably the majority) are petitioning their municipal hall for ZERO growth!

The only solution is to pull a Napoleon III and tear down entire neighbourhoods to master plan and reconstruct. Though, ironically it would not yield what is needed (case and point greenfield development on the outskirts being almost solely SFHs).
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lol right. The Bronson traffic sewer is the developer's fault...

Build it!
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2021, 5:36 PM
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And there, ladies and gents, is the NIMBY response.

I do find it interesting however, if there ever was a Carling transit anything, this would be both the beginning and terminus. It is infact in a great location, as has been admitted to by almost all. The issue is height and setbacks (as usual). I would argue, Carling is a major throughfare (despite ending literally out front) and Bronson too is a major throughfare. What this site needs isnt a redraw, it needs a redevelopment of the streets and transit infrastructure. Perhaps a reversal of where the tower it, place it in back but keep the podium height throughout.
Surprisingly (or maybe not surprisingly), Bronson and Carling is actually not very well served by transit. It's not even a matter of redeveloping infrastructure (beyond perhaps bus lanes on Carling). It's just a matter of giving this area the frequent service that it warrants. In any event, the impact that this tower will have on traffic on Bronson is negligible (beyond maybe creating a street wall that slows down traffic off hours).

As with everything else, the focus is on height, when it should be on design. I live really nearby, and would really hate to see the height reduced, as that inevitably results in cheaper design. There is nothing wrong with the tower being on the corner, as it allows for a better transition to the neighbourhood behind. If they were just to focus on setbacks to get a proper pedestrian scale, that would be fine with me.

Love the description of the intersection. It's not great, but roaring day and night with grinding, motorized anger? Haven't really noticed that. It's really no more or less angry than dozens of major suburban intersections.
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Any updates on this project?
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Any updates on this project?
There is fairly shiny signage on sight as of a couple of weeks ago, it looks like the site is being upkept.
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Updated proposal (December 2022)

As well as an updated design, the building height has been lowered from 26 to 22 floors.


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I actually prefer the new proposal! Its more colourful and less dark.
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