The US Census Bureau thread

[38 Geary]

Not Florida?

[Riverranchdrone]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Not Florida?

Florida grew by a higher percentage rate. Just not overall population numbers.

[Dariusb]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

We may not ever have another state hit 30 million.

Do you think Florida will get there?

[N90]

Originally Posted by Dariusb

Do you think Florida will get there?

No and there are many various factors that go into that. Or maybe perhaps it will but that would probably be its absolute highest ceiling in any of our lifetimes. But if I were a betting man I would take the under 30 million bet IMO.

Florida’s population is very old. It’s also geographically limited compared to a CA or TX. It’s growth drivers are also not stable year to year, it’s influenced too much by other external areas because it’s a low birth state and a high migration state. There’s the economy and job market and kids that often reach college age that want to get ahead have to go to other states since there’s a lack of elite academic universities. There’s a few elite universities but not nearly as many as there should be for a state with 22-23 million people IMO. And the impending effects from climate change. The finite amount of developable land remaining with construction costs rising and housing growth slowing. Immigration into the U.S. slowing and more of the world develops and as a result of Trump and the GOPs hostility towards immigrants, which still hasn’t fully recovered to pre-2016 rates yet. Cost of housing increasing. Add all of these things up and it caps Florida to a hard ceiling that most other states don’t have.

FL will remain the 3rd most populous US state and will likely stay between 20-30 million IMO. But it won’t ever grow to challenge CA’s size and TX will continue putting even more distance between itself and FL.

[The ATX]

Media outlets and people in general tend to confuse growth rates and numerical increases.

[PhillyRising]

Originally Posted by Dariusb

Do you think Florida will get there?

I keep saying Florida is growing fast now because of peak migrations of baby boomer retirees moving there...and that migration is going to start slowing down as the youngest boomers are set to turn 59 in 2023.

I'm not sure Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers share the same attitude about Florida retirement living as the older generations did for decades.

Florida is a nice place to visit in the winter. I could only be a snow bird. I'll leave it at that.

[AviationGuy]

The Texas cost of living (owner occupied and rental) is quite high and will only go up in the long term. Property taxes are very high. So could cost of living eventually do to us what has happened in CA? Or, do we mainly attract people who can afford just about anything, while the existing poor just get poorer.

I don't know, but thought I'd ask.

[AviationGuy]

Originally Posted by The ATX

Media outlets and people in general tend to confuse growth rates and numerical increases.

I'm betting the average American can't calculate a rate, if given the input data.

[Dariusb]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

The Texas cost of living (owner occupied and rental) is quite high and will only go up in the long term. Property taxes are very high. So could cost of living eventually do to us what has happened in CA? Or, do we mainly attract people who can afford just about anything, while the existing poor just get poorer.

I don't know, but thought I'd ask.

Something like that is already starting to happen in Austin. I live in the Killeen/Temple area about 90 minutes to the north and some people priced out of Austin, mainly people who lived there for quite some time are migrating up here and commuting into the city to work.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Dariusb

Do you think Florida will get there?

It's possible, but I'm not sure it's a forgone conclusion. I don't think Florida can get there on the back of Miami alone, though.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by BG918

Florida is similar in many ways to Arizona. Not a very dynamic economy but one more based on real estate speculation, construction and tourism with lots of older snowbirds from the northern states and Canada. Though that is rapidly changing in cities like Phoenix, Tampa and Miami with growing tech and financial sectors. Both states have significant challenges ahead: Arizona with its water and Florida with rising sea levels/hurricanes.

Older population also makes it lucrative for the medical field.

[RST500]

Demographic growth from 2011-2021.


White Growth
Phoenix: 404,964
Atlanta: 311,297
Denver: 308,194
Pittsburgh: 300,303
Dallas/Fort Worth: 285,837
Austin: 278,803
Charlotte: 274,322
Raleigh: 212,388
Indianapolis: 190,554
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 186,851
Houston: 185,137
Nashville: 177,504
Columbus, OH: 157,937
Las Vegas: 146,330
Tampa: 136,142
San Antonio: 128,792
Washington DC: 119,813
Kansas City: 115,790
Orlando: 106,765
Sacramento: 97,419
Portland, OR: 96,988
Seattle/Tacoma: 94,342
Jacksonville: 91,768
Cincinnati: 87,425
Salt Lake City: 86,459
Richmond: 51,275
Oklahoma City: 49,963
New Orleans: 43,410
Cleveland: 31,119
San Diego: 5,064
St. Louis: 4,852
Memphis: 2,913
Philadelphia: -12,589
Milwaukee: -12,662
Buffalo: -18,233
Chicago: -23,969
San Jose: -26,248
Riverside/San Bernardino: -32,960
Hartford: -33,055
Providence: -35,147
Detroit: -35,470
Bridgeport/Stamford: -37,304
Baltimore: -39,083
Boston: -46,801
San Francisco: -50,850
Virginia Beach: -53,755
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: -110,186
New York City: -221,920
Los Angeles: -249,614


Hispanic Growth
New York City: 720,568
Houston: 600,149
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 560,002
Dallas/Fort Worth: 456,476
Phoenix: 322,378
San Antonio: 302,234
Los Angeles: 273,398
Chicago: 257,874
Riverside/San Bernardino: 253,800
Washington DC: 252,280
Tampa: 219,018
Las Vegas: 210,220
Orlando: 208,560
San Diego: 186,451
Austin: 186,395
Boston: 168,348
Philadelphia: 164,338
Denver: 157,057
Atlanta: 149,808
Sacramento: 120,520
Seattle/Tacoma: 111,770
Charlotte: 83,199
San Francisco: 82,945
Portland, OR: 69,731
Providence: 58,192
Jacksonville: 57,273
Salt Lake City: 55,299
Baltimore: 51,648
Bridgeport/Stamford: 49,085
Oklahoma City: 48,053
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 47,086
Raleigh: 45,033
Indianapolis: 42,828
Kansas City: 40,644
Hartford: 39,489
Virginia Beach: 33,839
Detroit: 37,989
Nashville: 35,203
Milwaukee: 33,258
Columbus, OH: 30,101
Cleveland: 29,360
New Orleans: 26,150
Richmond: 25,855
Cincinnati: 23,943
St. Louis: 17,799
Buffalo: 16,770
Memphis: 15,385
Pittsburgh: 13,655
San Jose: 9,169

Black Growth
Atlanta: 504,463
Dallas/Fort Worth: 271,298
Houston: 213,804
Washington DC: 136,973
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 134,288
Charlotte: 126,739
Las Vegas: 96,584
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 85,489
Orlando: 78,320
Phoenix: 72,672
Columbus, OH: 71,306
Raleigh: 69,694
New Orleans: 66,752
Memphis: 63,783
Tampa: 59,881
Indianapolis: 59,370
Boston: 55,598
Baltimore: 51,280
Jacksonville: 51,029
Seattle/Tacoma: 48,224
Philadelphia: 43,919
Nashville: 42,924
Austin: 35,030
Denver: 34,184
Richmond: 34,049
San Antonio: 33,059
New York City: 32,066
Sacramento: 23,011
Virginia Beach: 22,098
Cincinnati: 18,717
Oklahoma City: 13,470
Riverside/San Bernardino: 11,553
Kansas City: 11,280
Hartford: 10,145
San Diego: 9,826
Providence: 8,710
Portland, OR: 6,617
Salt Lake City: 6,427
Bridgeport/Stamford: 4,514
San Jose: 4,852
Cleveland: 3,945
Milwaukee: 1,694
Pittsburgh: -596
Buffalo: -1,604
St. Louis: -5,611
Detroit: -24,498
San Francisco: -31,380
Los Angeles: -52,285
Chicago: -60,066


Asian Growth
New York City: 437,826
Los Angeles: 279,132
Dallas/Fort Worth: 198,756
Seattle/Tacoma: 193,208
Houston: 188,224
San Jose: 183,149
San Francisco: 176,320
Washington DC: 156,548
Chicago: 142,194
Atlanta: 139,044
Sacramento: 116,677
Boston: 111,604
Las Vegas: 108,953
Philadelphia: 90,167
San Diego: 85,343
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 72,452
Phoenix: 69,986
Detroit: 64,934
Austin: 53,683
Raleigh: 46,541
Charlotte: 45,664
Columbus, OH: 43,204
Riverside/San Bernardino: 43,254
Baltimore: 42,688
Denver: 41,884
Portland, OR: 41,634
Indianapolis: 39,685
Orlando: 34,214
Tampa: 33,284
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 30,693
San Antonio: 27,216
Cincinnati: 22,581
Kansas City: 19,995
Nashville: 19,160
St. Louis: 18,753
Hartford: 18,190
Pittsburgh: 18,113
Jacksonville: 17,627
Milwaukee: 17,595
Richmond: 16,078
Salt Lake City: 15,332
Buffalo: 13,849
Cleveland: 11,285
Bridgeport/Stamford: 9,431
Virginia Beach: 7,889
Oklahoma City: 7,371
Memphis: 7,350
Providence: 6,960
New Orleans: 3,801

[ChiSoxRox]

The new urban area definitions drop on Thursday the 29th, 10 AM Eastern

[austlar1]

Ran across this link to 1950 era "Metropolitan Area" populations. Had fun running down the numbers from my childhood. Table 2 at the end is very interesting as it breaks out the central city populations and ranks the metro areas by population. Table 2 kind of represents the starting gate for measuring growth in post WW2 US metro areas. Might be more interesting for a Boomer than for you youngsters, but here it is.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1950/pc-03/pc-3-03.pdf

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

The new urban area definitions drop on Thursday the 29th, 10 AM Eastern

Squeaking that in.

Can't wait!

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

I'm betting the average American can't calculate a rate, if given the input data.

The average American can't calculate an average.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

The new urban area definitions drop on Thursday the 29th, 10 AM Eastern

That should be pretty interesting, I still think the definition of "Urban Area" is absurd since everything is a "city" over a laughably tiny number

For example, the "City" Of Show Low Arizona Population 11 thousand and looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/pNQ9pTNrDuQihytM7

Thats literally the center of the "city"

We really need to alter the definition of city and urban for the 21st century

[RST500]

Breakdown of the Hispanic Growth2011-2021:


Houston - 7 Mexican: 296,731 - 49.4% Salvadoran: 56,005 - 9.3% Honduran: 52,591 - 8.8% Cuban: 28,999 - 4.8% Venezuelan: 27,355 - 4.6% Colombian: 23,171 - 3.9% Puerto Rican: 22,570 - 3.8% Guatemalan: 22,229 - 3.7%

New York City - 6 Dominican: 319,169 - 44.3% Colombian: 62,734 - 8.7% Ecuadoran: 62,696 - 8.7% Salvadoran: 57,408 - 8.0% Mexican: 38,158 - 5.3% Guatemalan: 36,131 - 5.0% Honduran: 24,940 - 3.5%


Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 6 Cuban: 191,072 - 34.1% Venezuela: 108,558 - 19.3% Colombian: 60,469 - 10.8% Dominican: 31,415 - 5.6% Mexican: 28,159 - 5.5% Puerto Rican: 27,465 - 4.9% Guatemalan: 23,714 - 4.2%


Dallas/Fort Worth Mexican: 306,741 - 67.2% Salvadoran: 29,658 - 6.5% Puerto Rican: 27,138 - 5.9% Honduran: 16,662 - 3.6% Guatemalan: 13,370 - 3.1%


Phoenix Mexican: 238,370 - 74.0% Puerto Rican: 16,261 - 5.0% Guatemalan: 7,116 - 2.2% Salvadoran: 6,814 - 2.1% Cuban: 6,621 - 2.1%


San Antonio Mexican: 230,724 - 76.2% Puerto Rican: 15,199 - 5.0% Cuban: 5,101 - 1.7% Honduran: 4,875 - 1.6% Salvadoran: 3,157 - 1.0%


Los Angeles Mexican: 84,071 - 30.8% Salvadoran: 55,675 - 20.4% Guatemalan: 39,478 - 14.4% Honduran: 10,254 - 3.8% Colombian: 8,549 - 3.1%


Chicago Mexican: 176,603 - 68.3% Puerto Rican: 27,416 - 10.6% Guatemalan: 6,732 - 2.6% Venezuelan: 6,725 - 2.6% Ecuadoran: 5,184 - 2.0%

Riverside/San Bernardino Mexican: 204,420 - 80.5% Guatemalan: 12,849 - 5.1% Salvadoran: 12,225 - 4.9% Puerto Rican: 4,640 - 1.8% Colombian: 2,565 - 1.0%

Washington DC Salvadoran: 74,582 - 29.6% Guatemalan: 32,286 - 12.8% Puerto Rican: 21,817 - 8.6% Mexican: 20,353 - 8.0% Honduran: 20,236 - 8.0%



Tampa Puerto Rican: 55,709 - 25.3% Cuban: 53,155 - 24.2% Mexican: 33,840 - 15.5% Dominican: 16,685 - 7.6% Colombian: 11,980 - 5.5%


Las Vegas Mexican: 132,084 - 62.8% Cuban: 16,565 - 7.9% Salvadoran: 11,409 - 5.2% Puerto Rican: 10,349 - 4.9% Guatemalan: 6,932 - 3.3%


San Diego Mexican: 133,400 - 71.6% Puerto Rican: 8,595 - 4.6% Guatemalan: 6,442 - 3.5% Colombian: 4,054 - 2.2% Cuban: 3,799 - 2.0%


Austin Mexican: 127,850 - 68.6% Puerto Rican: 10,502 - 5.6% Cuban: 6,088 - 3.3% Colombian: 4,832 - 2.6% Honduran: 4,678 - 2.5%

Boston Dominican: 56,757 - 33.7% Salvadoran: 26,154 - 15.6% Puerto Rican: 23,531 - 14.0% Colombian: 9,702 - 5.8% Guatemalan: 8,337 - 4.9%


Philadelphia Puerto Rican: 44,507 - 27.0% Dominican: 37,163 - 22.7% Mexican: 27,599 - 16.8% Honduran: 7,497 - 4.6% Guatemalan: 6,597 - 4.0%

Denver Mexican: 95,264 - 60.7% Puerto Rican: 9,258 - 5.9% Salvadoran: 3,555 - 2.3% Cuban: 3,350 - 2.2% Colombian: 3,073 - 2.0%


Atlanta Mexican: 36,168 - 24.1% Puerto Rican: 27,744 - 18.5% Guatemalan: 13,659 - 9.1% Venezuelan: 11,220 - 7.5% Colombian: 10,383 - 6.9%


Sacramento Mexican: 87,429 - 72.5% Puerto Rican: 6,555 - 5.4% Salvadoran: 4,994 - 4.1% Guatemalan: 2,939 - 2.4% Colombian: 2,506 - 2.1%


Seattle/Tacoma Mexico: 64,076 - 55.3% Salvadoran: 8,290 - 7.7% Puerto Rican: 5,927 - 5.1% Guatemalan: 5,052 - 4.4% Colombian: 3,392 - 3.0%


Charlotte Mexican: 21,064 - 25.3% Puerto Rican: 15,846 - 19.0% Honduran: 14,596 - 17.5% Colombian: 4,849 - 5.8% Salvadoran: 3,916 - 4.7%

San Francisco Guatemalan: 19,233 - 23.2% Mexican: 18,297 - 22.1% Salvadoran: 16,414 - 19.8% Peruvian: 4,112 - 5.0% Honduran: 2,468 - 3.0%

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RST500

Breakdown of the Hispanic Growth2011-2021:


Phoenix Mexican: 238,370 - 74.0% Puerto Rican: 16,261 - 5.0% Guatemalan: 7,116 - 2.2% Salvadoran: 6,814 - 2.1% Cuban: 6,621 - 2.1%

At first glance I thought this said 238k Puerto Ricans and I was about to put you on blast

[aderwent]

Originally Posted by Obadno

That should be pretty interesting, I still think the definition of "Urban Area" is absurd since everything is a "city" over a laughably tiny number

For example, the "City" Of Show Low Arizona Population 11 thousand and looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/pNQ9pTNrDuQihytM7

Thats literally the center of the "city"

We really need to alter the definition of city and urban for the 21st century

What does this have to do with Urban Areas? City and Urban Area are not the same thing.