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[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by chris08876

That's the nice thing with portions of Florida... only density increases at this point, like S.Florida; which has some serious density in the works.

Places like Fort Lauderdale as an example are skyrocketing. Another Miami in the works (F.Lauderdale) in terms of magnitude. Tons of projects, 1000's upon 1000's of units.

Here's an older shot from downtown Fort Lauderdale with the Aventura/Sunny Isles/Miami Beach skylines in the back and a distant downtown Miami can be seen in-between the two buildings:

source:https://www.ddaftl.org/meetings

[38 Geary]

I didn't catch this in the article, but did it mention the demographics of those moving to Florida? It'd be interesting to see if it skewed more towards younger, college educated folks vs older, retired folks.

[Innsertnamehere]

It's been interesting seeing Florida start to really urbanize a bit over the last decade which it hasn't really done in big numbers up until now.. but it's still generally very anti-urban.

Honestly I've probably spent more time in Florida than any other state so it's always been a very interesting place to me, but also so wildly anti-urban for so much of it on such a greater scale than most of the US.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by homebucket

I didn't catch this in the article, but did it mention the demographics of those moving to Florida? It'd be interesting to see if it skewed more towards younger, college educated folks vs older, retired folks.

Haven't seen statistics but it wouldn't surprise me if it's mostly retired still given that we are pretty much in peak baby-boomer retirement age right now. Lots of people exiting the workforce with big retirement funds ready to go buy a place somewhere warm.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by homebucket

I didn't catch this in the article, but did it mention the demographics of those moving to Florida? It'd be interesting to see if it skewed more towards younger, college educated folks vs older, retired folks.

Considering the Florida foreign-born stats posted on another thread recently, I'm guessing it is immigrant driven combined with above average birth rates.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Strange that only Tampa is showing an 10K increase for Puerto Ricans. I would think at least NYC and most likely Orlando would have an high increase given that thousands left during the 10 year period.

There were so many PRs in NY before that the post-Maria movement is likely not enough to register a big enough growth. Orlando also had a large PR population before, so probably the same thing going on there too.

[Altoic]

Florida's urbanization is really impressive. But unless they acknowledge key issues such as more local transportation or a more urban-focused approach such as limiting parking to 1:1 or below and stopping requiring more than 1 space per residential units in large urban centers then all this development cant reach its full potential for any community. Many developments I see have almost 2-3 spaces per development. Florida already has major traffic problems, and the lack of any expansion for any existing network is pretty sad. I see Miami is starting to get to work expanding some services though. Tampa is expanding their streetcar aswell.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by homebucket

I didn't catch this in the article, but did it mention the demographics of those moving to Florida? It'd be interesting to see if it skewed more towards younger, college educated folks vs older, retired folks.

Probably a mix of young hardworking Latino immigrants and retirees from the Northeast and Midwest.

My cousin relocated permanently to Yucatan for the sun and beaches thanks to the post-Covid ability to be anywhere, and he works in tech, but I’m pretty sure people like him are a minority compared to retirees and immigrants.

[goat314]

I have no idea why people continue to move to Florida in droves. The prices are skyrocketing and the quality of life I'd absolutely plummeting. I've lived here on and off for 20 years in the Tampa area and I just feel like it's a train wreck waiting to happen. No forward thinking, no planning, horrible infrastructure, increasingly expensive, crowded, terrible traffic, low paying jobs, etc.

[dave8721]

By Florida standards it wasn't even much growth. Florida has grown faster in the past. It seems like what happened is the rest of the US has grown much slower than usual. Florida was #1 this year with just 1.9% growth, In 2014 Florida grew by 2.42%, in 2015 it was 2.45%. Back in the 1980's it grew over 2.5% per year for like 5 years in a row.

The headline should be "Florida's population growth rate slowed less than other states, but still growing less fast than it was a decade ago".

[L41A]

Florida is a fascinating place on so many levels. Like someone else mentioned, it astonishes me how popular it is as a place to live for so many people.

People from the Midwest and Northeast love Florida. Retirement, vacation, recreation, weather - they seem to visit for one or the other. Then after, love it and start plotting their move.

[jd3189]

It’s nice that Florida is growing. Unfortunately, it’s not very sustainable. Places that were once relatively cheap are now having rents rise through the roof. Plus, it’s not the best state to go to if you want higher wages. Unless FL is able to create more high paying jobs and has many of its cities densify, what will occur will be even more of a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that was currently exists in CA.

But in terms of the growth, I’m seeing it play out in Martin and Port St. Lucie counties. Known collectively as the “Treasure Coast”, these areas were once sleepy suburbs and small towns separated from the rest of South Florida by a large farm/wilderness area between Jupiter and Stuart. Stuart and its surroundings seemed to always been a haven for white snowbirds from the NE and Midwest. It still is today, but now it has gotten more diverse. The traffic has gotten worse as well. But it exemplifies what most people outside of FL like about FL: weather, beaches, suburban living. I’m not crazy about those things so I’m glad I don’t live there full time anymore.

[C.]

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

Show us this said land that isn't a national park or tax payer owned conservation area in the metro.

Obviously they can't touch Federal lands, but I don't trust your governor, legislature, state supreme court, or citizenry to protect the "tax payer owned conservation area." For the right price, I have seen public lands trade hands to private interest and be developed. Even lands that were promised to be preserved forever.

[Dariusb]

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/22/texas-population-growth-30-million-census/

California will soon be over 40 million.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Dariusb

California will soon be over 40 million.

Ha! Not at this rate.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

There is no land for suburbs to sprawl in Fort Lauderdale as Broward County is fully Built-Out. As far as densifying, have you been downtown lately? There are now even high-rises in the previously sprawly areas of Plantation and Sunrise. Miami-Dade county pretty much has the same constraints.

The big issue now is affordability.

Edit: FYI Brightline has been running some 8 car trains since opening Aventura and Boca Raton stations

I've seen and checked out the developments in Ft Lauderdale and the only way the Ft Lauderdale and much of Broward County, as well as all of South FL to grow, is to densify. It's bad enough that Miami has to face severe height limits in it's downtown from the FAA (and I hope the feds rescind the stupid height limits imposed on Miami, Ft Lauderdale, and Tampa).

The only way to increase affordability in South FL is to increase the number of affordable units throughout. Central FL can be completely built out because Central FL has a lot more developable land in comparison to South FL, which is wedged between the Atlantic Ocean and the Everglades, so the only way is up, the higher, the better! And the more mid-rises and high rises that are built in South FL, the more prosperous South FL and eventually FL will be!

[craigs]

History in the making, with the second US state to hit the 30 million mark.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by craigs

History in the making, with the second US state to hit the 30 million mark.

We may not ever have another state hit 30 million.

[sopas ej]

From WFAA News...

Author: Dallas Business Journal Staff
Published: 11:10 AM CST December 23, 2022
Updated: 11:10 AM CST December 23, 2022


Texas named fastest-growing state in the nation by Census Bureau

According to the report, Texas has increased by 470,708 people since July 2021. The total state population is now 30,029,572.


TEXAS, USA — This story originally appeared in the Dallas Business Journal, a WFAA news partner.

Texas has been named the fastest-growing state in the U.S., according to data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.

According to the report, Texas has increased by 470,708 people since July 2021. The total state population is now 30,029,572.

Texas joins California as the only state with a resident population above 30 million.

Population growth was fueled by net domestic migration (230,961), net international migration (118,614) and natural increase (118,159), according to the study.

Here are the top 10 states that saw the most numeric growth as of July 2022:

Texas - 470,708
Florida - 416,754
North Carolina - 133,088
Georgia - 124,847
Arizona - 94,320
South Carolina - 89,368
Tennessee - 82,988
Washington - 45,041
Utah - 41,687
Idaho - 34,719
After a historically low rate of change in 2020 and 2021, the U.S. population increased by 1,256,003 to 333,287,557 in 2022.

“There was a sizeable uptick in population growth last year compared to the prior year’s historically low increase,” Kristie Wilder, a demographer in the Population Division at the Census Bureau, said in the report. “A rebound in net international migration, coupled with the largest year-over-year increase in total births since 2007, is behind this increase.”

After a historically low rate of change in 2020 and 2021, the U.S. population increased by 1,256,003 to 333,287,557 in 2022.

“There was a sizeable uptick in population growth last year compared to the prior year’s historically low increase,” Kristie Wilder, a demographer in the Population Division at the Census Bureau, said in the report. “A rebound in net international migration, coupled with the largest year-over-year increase in total births since 2007, is behind this increase.”

Here are the top 10 most populous states as of July 2022:

California - 39,029,342
Texas - 30,029,572
Florida - 22,244,823
New York - 19,677,151
Pennsylvania - 12,972,008
Illinois - 12,582,032
Ohio - 11,756,058
Georgia - 10,912,876
North Carolina - 10,698,973
Michigan - 10,034,113

The study is from the Bureau's Population Estimates Program. The analysis looked at current data on births, deaths and migrations to calculate population change.

In 2023, the Census Bureau will release estimates of the 2022 populations for counties, cities, towns, metropolitan and micropolitan areas.

In Oct., Dallas was named one of the fastest-growing economies in the U.S., according to a study by the Kenan Institute of Private Enterprise.


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[Quixote]

If there's one thing all of us should've learned by now, it's that projecting even 5 years (let alone 20-30+) years into the future is almost pointless, especially in a post-COVID world. Obviously current trends suggest that Texas and Florida will continue to grow at a fast rate, but all things eventually become victims of their own success and reach critical inflection points that demand different approaches to what led to said success in the first place.