Calgary International Airport II - Page 531

hehehe · #**10601** Posted **Oct 31, 2022, 4:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by YYCFlier

Also pedantic - I think PSP is up to 2x daily.

What else will start in winter high season? YYC-HNL is missing from here but it definitely is scheduled at some point - not sure about KOA.

I think PUJ and HNL and LIH start in december?

hollywoodcory · #**10602** Posted **Oct 31, 2022, 10:55 AM**

Thanks for catching those errors.

HNL resumes Dec. 4
PUJ Dec. 17
KOA Dec. 18
LIH got dropped and isn’t coming back this winter

AC OGG is back Dec. 3

hehehe · #**10603** Posted **Nov 2, 2022, 1:17 AM**

I had a friend trying to book flights this month out of YYC to go to YZF and couldn't find much and I took a look and WS is really completely (or almost) selling out so many of their flights, wow.
Considering there used to be 4x daily flights to YZF and now there's just one I think WS will probably increase frequency.

peytol · #**10604** Posted **Nov 2, 2022, 3:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by hehehe

I had a friend trying to book flights this month out of YYC to go to YZF and couldn't find much and I took a look and WS is really completely (or almost) selling out so many of their flights, wow.
Considering there used to be 4x daily flights to YZF and now there's just one I think WS will probably increase frequency.

It really would make sense for this to be on a 37, in the past they have had to do tech stops in YMM due to lack of runway reports up north. The Q cant take a full load out of YYC then hold YMM or YQU as an alternate.

I'm sure a lot of the tourist traffic has not come back though, WJ used to run the YEG-YZF flight as a through flight, full of overseas tourists. But it does seem like both AC and WJ pulled a ton of capacity out of Yellowknife, probably too much.

hehehe · #**10605** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 3:47 AM**

Seems like AC is dropping LAX completely at the end of the month. EWR is temporarily suspended for a couple weeks in December before being upped to daily.

YLW goes down to a single daily as well, YEG is down to 4x daily, and YWG is down to 2x daily compared to November.
At least there's an extra weekly frequency to YMM on Wednesdays?

Johnny Aussie · #**10606** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 11:22 AM**

^ that’s huge for AC to cut LAX. It does resume in May though
And AC to EWR downgauged to an A220
So AC YYC transborder ops effectively drops to 4 daily this winter (incl 1 CR9) plus the 3 weekly OGG

DoubleK · #**10607** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ that’s huge for AC to cut LAX. It does resume in May though
And AC to EWR downgauged to an A220
So AC YYC transborder ops effectively drops to 4 daily this winter (incl 1 CR9) plus the 3 weekly OGG

Do we expect WJ to raise fares on routes with less AC competition?

YYCFlier · #**10608** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ that’s huge for AC to cut LAX. It does resume in May though
And AC to EWR downgauged to an A220
So AC YYC transborder ops effectively drops to 4 daily this winter (incl 1 CR9) plus the 3 weekly OGG

We'll see. YYC-LAX was originally 2x daily 7M8 in the original winter schedule, then bumped to CR9, now nothing. WS is running 2x daily and Lynx is joining the route so lots of pressure here. I am not expecting them to hold 2x daily in May, we will be lucky to see a 223 on that route daily.

Kind happy about A220 on EWR, it's a more comfy aircraft anyway

Johnny Aussie · #**10609** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 8:04 PM**

Yeah the capacity cuts are quite telling.
AC and UA becoming bit players transborder. Between the two 8 transborder flights per day. And only one daily CR9 to SFO (that’s it for California this winter)
AC hanging on to LAS and PHX probably only because they’re the two largest leisure markets from YYC

Calfan12 · #**10610** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ that’s huge for AC to cut LAX. It does resume in May though
And AC to EWR downgauged to an A220
So AC YYC transborder ops effectively drops to 4 daily this winter (incl 1 CR9) plus the 3 weekly OGG

Well WestJet is still flying 2x daily Calgary YYC - Los Angeles LAX.

Air Canada cutting YYC - LAX this winter season, makes Lynx Air happy as they will be flying YYC-LAX 3x weekly starting Mid February 2023.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/ly...xpansion-to-united-states-874931237.html

hehehe · #**10611** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calfan12

Well WestJet is still flying 2x daily Calgary YYC - Los Angeles LAX.

Air Canada cutting YYC - LAX this winter season, makes Lynx Air happy as they will be flying YYC-LAX 3x weekly starting Mid February 2023.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/ly...xpansion-to-united-states-874931237.html

Yeah this does give Lynx some space in the market, but AC is a lot better for service than Lynx IMO

Johnny Aussie · #**10612** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by hehehe

Yeah this does give Lynx some space in the market, but AC is a lot better for service than Lynx IMO

And Lynx off to LAS and PHX - again the two largest leisure routes. Plenty of passengers to draw from on those routes.
Flair has abandoned any YYC transborder flying maybe Lynx will have some success

outoftheice · #**10613** Posted **Nov 3, 2022, 11:54 PM**

I'm curious if these cuts by AC are any real reflection of their views on the YYC market or if they are just a knock on effect from AC having to triage elsewhere in their operation. A friend at Jazz mentioned that due to crewing shortages that were just made much worse by the AC pilots voting down a proposed contract amendment, Jazz is no longer able to meet their obligations under the AC capacity purchase agreement. This has lead to AC either cutting flights or upgaging to mainline aircraft and cutting frequencies. Of course mainline aircraft are a finite resource as well so any time a route is upgaged to mainline to cover the Jazz shortfall, another route in the system, such as YYC transborder, has to take the hit. Obviously there are many on here that have access to the info that could support or dismiss this idea but anecdotally it could explain a lot of the last minute changes we are seeing for this winter.

hehehe · #**10614** Posted **Nov 4, 2022, 1:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by outoftheice

I'm curious if these cuts by AC are any real reflection of their views on the YYC market or if they are just a knock on effect from AC having to triage elsewhere in their operation. A friend at Jazz mentioned that due to crewing shortages that were just made much worse by the AC pilots voting down a proposed contract amendment, Jazz is no longer able to meet their obligations under the AC capacity purchase agreement. This has lead to AC either cutting flights or upgaging to mainline aircraft and cutting frequencies. Of course mainline aircraft are a finite resource as well so any time a route is upgaged to mainline to cover the Jazz shortfall, another route in the system, such as YYC transborder, has to take the hit. Obviously there are many on here that have access to the info that could support or dismiss this idea but anecdotally it could explain a lot of the last minute changes we are seeing for this winter.

You have a point, WS and others have also made a few last minute changes as well. We're still in a sort of transitional phase so I think we'll have to wait until next summer's schedule is released to be able to see if these cuts are permanent or if they're triage like you said.

I wouldn't be surprised with either one, but I'm leaning more towards the triage idea. Compared to 2019 there isn't much more capacity added by WS on these routes (probably less), and we saw this summer that there was a lot of chaos when capacity was added too quickly. Add in the fact that it's winter, plus the fact that these changes were made with very little notice, and I think we're seeing mostly temporarily cuts.

By the way YQU was further reduced to 1x daily and so was YQR. And YCD is temporarily reduced to 4x weekly. (All only in December)

YYCFlier · #**10615** Posted **Nov 4, 2022, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by hehehe

By the way YQU was further reduced to 1x daily and so was YQR. And YCD is temporarily reduced to 4x weekly. (All only in December)

The fact they these are sudden and time limited suggest temporary network changes due to shortages.

#**10616** Posted **Nov 4, 2022, 7:06 PM**

Jazz operation is in shambles. Bookings don't really suggest some of these cuts are required. Have to just ride this out and see what happens next year in spring and into summer.

hollywoodcory · #**10617** Posted **Nov 4, 2022, 10:34 PM**

Probably happened forever ago, but noticed KLM re-timed its winter flights to depart later in the evening. Arrival from AMS-YYC is now only 40 minutes earlier than WS too.

Also WS resumes VRA tomorrow operating the first flight to Cuba from YYC since pre-COVID March 2020.

AC also resumes SJD on Sunday. Also hasn't operated since pre-Covid too.

msmariner · #**10618** Posted **Nov 5, 2022, 5:22 AM**

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/westjet-saf-san-francisco-calgary/

#**10619** Posted **Nov 5, 2022, 9:15 PM**

The biofuel thing is such a joke, WestJet is the biggest offender of unnecessary APU usage probably in all of North America. Their 787 with fantastically low utilization will sit all night with the APU burning 200 kg of fuel an hour because their ground crews are too lazy to plug the plane in, then they turn around and pretend like they are environmental pioneers.

hehehe · #**10620** Posted **Nov 5, 2022, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by ace.yyc

The biofuel thing is such a joke, WestJet is the biggest offender of unnecessary APU usage probably in all of North America. Their 787 with fantastically low utilization will sit all night with the APU burning 200 kg of fuel an hour because their ground crews are too lazy to plug the plane in, then they turn around and pretend like they are environmental pioneers.

On a 3x weekly flight to boot...lol