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[J.OT13]

Rail Fans was able to get the ridership numbers for both Trillium and Confederation in November 2019!!


https://otrain.railfans.ca/the-stations

[Fading Isle]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

See below.



Eventually, hopefully, they will find the root of the problem and get the trains back up to full speed.

The "temporary" speed reduction has been in place for three months now and they still don't even know the cause of the issue? That's worrying, no?

It's not a minor inconvenience at this point. It's three months later and all the trains are going hilariously slowly. I'm sure there are plenty of people who take the train, realize how much slower it is than a car, and then never go back to transit. No amount of ad campaigns are going to fix reality; the only thing that will fix it is, you know, actually fixing the trains so they run at normal rapid transit speeds.

[Richard Eade]

Thanks for pointing out this info.

I am a bit confused by the Bayview number of boardings for the month. All the others appear to be about 8 X # of week-end boardings + 22 X # of Weekday boardings. The total number of boardings at Bayview seems to be about 200,000 too high.

[sseguin]

I hope this helps clarify how the numbers work:

Below is a table of the total sum of balanced boardings for the month of November 2019. Balanced boardings are the average number of entries and exits at O-Train stations. O-Train Line 2 ridership is based on Automatic Passenger Counters aboard O-Train Line 2 trains.

Average ridership for weekdays and weekends is shown below, broken down by station, rounded to the closest 100.

Staff adjust ridership at all multimodal O-Train stations to account for transfers to O-Train Line 1 within fare-paid zones. It is important to note that the figures above for Tunney’s Pasture, Hurdman, Blair, and Greenboro Stations will also capture customers who are using the station to access bus service. For the ridership figures at Bayview Station, the total is a combination of balanced boardings for O-Train Line 1, as calculated with the fare paid zone adjustment factor, and the balanced boarding total for Line 2.

[Nowhere]

Yeah, but why the Cyrville to St-Laurent segment specifically ? All the other sections that are slowed down are curved. This one isn't, yet the trains go ridiculously slow.

[Richard Eade]

Originally Posted by sseguin

I hope this helps clarify how the numbers work:

Below is a table of the total sum of balanced boardings for the month of November 2019. Balanced boardings are the average number of entries and exits at O-Train stations. O-Train Line 2 ridership is based on Automatic Passenger Counters aboard O-Train Line 2 trains.

Average ridership for weekdays and weekends is shown below, broken down by station, rounded to the closest 100.

Staff adjust ridership at all multimodal O-Train stations to account for transfers to O-Train Line 1 within fare-paid zones. It is important to note that the figures above for Tunney’s Pasture, Hurdman, Blair, and Greenboro Stations will also capture customers who are using the station to access bus service. For the ridership figures at Bayview Station, the total is a combination of balanced boardings for O-Train Line 1, as calculated with the fare paid zone adjustment factor, and the balanced boarding total for Line 2.

Thanks, Shane. I read that, too. It doesn’t clear up the numbers though.

For example, the average weekday boardings for Blair is 20,100, and on the week-end, the average is 6,300 boardings per day. If I assume 8 week-end days and 22 weekday days per month, then to get (near) the total monthly boardings, I just need to multiply the average boardings per day by the number of days:

For Blair: 20,100 per weekday X 22 days + 6,300 per week-end day X 8 days = 492,600

That is not too far off of the 479,000, when I account for rounding of the average numbers.

For Greenboro: 4,000 X 22 + 1,600 X 8 = 100,800 (compared to the given 98,000)
For uOttawa: 16,300 X 22 + 4,700 X 8 = 396,200 (compared to the given 384,000)
For Carleton: 6,800 X 22 + 2,100 X 8 = 166,400 (compared to the given 161,000)
For Hurdman: 16,700 X 22 + 5,200 X 8 = 409,000 (compared to the given 398,000)

In all cases, it looks as if the total boardings for the month is roughly 22 times the average weekday boardings, plus 8 times the average week-end boardings. This makes sense.

For Bayview: 8,500 per weekday X 22 + 3,000 per week-end X 8 = 211,000. The given total for that station is 412,000, which is about 200,000 total boardings higher than the calculated number of monthly boardings. This makes no sense.

I understand that Bayview is listed as the sum of the boardings for the L1 and L2 line, but that is immaterial for this calculation. The daily averages are also for combined boarding.

My only option is to say that there is a typo in the table.

[sseguin]

I Will try to follow up to see if the Bayview is correct or was an error. (I’ll report back)

[ponyboycurtis]

There are now 3 broken panes of glass at Hurdman. All on the path side. Is it possible it's from bird strikes?? I'll have to take a closer look again and see if its the inner or outer pane.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by ponyboycurtis

There are now 3 broken panes of glass at Hurdman. All on the path side. Is it possible it's from bird strikes?? I'll have to take a closer look again and see if its the inner or outer pane.

It would have to be some kind of bird to do that.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It would have to be some kind of bird to do that.

A wingless bird?

[ponyboycurtis]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It would have to be some kind of bird to do that.

It sure would

People throwing rocks at the station is certainly in the cards.

2 sections have a spiderweb type of damage and 1 of the panes have a massive diagonal crack spanning the entirety.

Massive Condors launching an attack on our LRT platform is quite the thought.

Edit.. I was too lazy to switch to the northside platform heading home today to see which side the crack were on. Next time.

[Fading Isle]

Originally Posted by Fading Isle

The "temporary" speed reduction has been in place for three months now and they still don't even know the cause of the issue? That's worrying, no?

It's not a minor inconvenience at this point. It's three months later and all the trains are going hilariously slowly. I'm sure there are plenty of people who take the train, realize how much slower it is than a car, and then never go back to transit. No amount of ad campaigns are going to fix reality; the only thing that will fix it is, you know, actually fixing the trains so they run at normal rapid transit speeds.

I'm starting to get really worried that this will be a long-term reduction in service. There are no upcoming transit meetings on the city's website and I looked back at past meetings, most recently on September 14, and there isn't even mention of the speed reduction. Still complete radio silence on what's causing the issue and when it will be resolved.

[sseguin]

Hello, I actually inquired about this and received this response back from Troy Charter at OC Transpo on October 14th. The TSRs will remain for the time being.

https://www.railfans.ca/news/o-train-temporary-speed-restrictions-oct-2022-update

[OTSkyline]

But it's been over 3 month's... when can residents expect an update and to see an improvement going forward?

This is extremely disappointing.

[sseguin]

Originally Posted by sseguin

Hello, I actually inquired about this and received this response back from Troy Charter at OC Transpo on October 14th. The TSRs will remain for the time being.

https://www.railfans.ca/news/o-train-temporary-speed-restrictions-oct-2022-update

QUESTION: For the past several months, there are several segments of O-Train Line 1 that are operating under lower speed restrictions. With the work that was done over the summer (which involved some early closures), the previous normal speeds have not returned in all areas. Is there a timeline or ETA as to when the train will resume normal speeds on all parts of the alignment? (Notable areas include east of Rideau Station into the curve and beyond, Lees to Hurdman, among a few others).

ANSWER: As previously communicated to Mayor and Council on July 23, one light rail vehicle was removed from service for further inspections following an abnormal vibration report. The removal of light rail vehicles (LRVs) following unusual sound or vibration reports is required in accordance with OC Transpo's operating procedures, in order to perform further vehicle inspections. The LRV inspection for this vehicle showed a failure occurred in one of the wheel hub assemblies.

A second memo was issued on August 18 to share that out of an abundance of caution, Rideau Transit Group and Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM) commenced the replacement of the axle wheel hub in the leading and trailing wheel assembly of LRVs with more than 175,000 kilometres in service. These replacements continue and components are removed from the vehicles to undergo further testing, as required. Further issues have not been discovered during the replacement of the axle wheel hubs and train availability remains capable of meeting daily service requirements.

A root cause analysis of this incident began immediately and continues. To ensure the ongoing safety and operation of O-Train Line 1, a number of precautionary measures have been put in place including temporary speed restrictions along sections of the track. Staff continue to work with RTM, Alstom and Transportation Resource Associates to identify longer term solutions to the axle issue, which may be informed from a final root cause analysis report, track design and vehicle analyses.

Though the trains continue to operate at slower speeds at certain sections of the track, we are seeing improved performance of the rail line, which will provide greater reliability. Until the root cause analysis and/or the investigation process determines that the temporary speed restrictions can be safely removed, the speed restrictions along sections of the track will remain in place.

-Attributed to Troy Charter, Director, Transit Service Delivery and Rail Operations

[Fading Isle]

Originally Posted by sseguin

Hello, I actually inquired about this and received this response back from Troy Charter at OC Transpo on October 14th. The TSRs will remain for the time being.

https://www.railfans.ca/news/o-train-temporary-speed-restrictions-oct-2022-update

That response just repeats what they said in August. Do they have even a notional timeline for when the root cause analysis will be complete at the very least? Any thoughts on how long repairs will take for various scenarios? Can we have any information at all about the transit system the people of Ottawa are paying for and depending on?

[sseguin]

It seems to be a matter of RTG/Alstom completing the root cause analysis and creating a solution or rectification before things improve. For the most part the slow orders add on average 3 minutes end to end, and some areas have had them removed from recent experience, while others remain.

But I would expect it to continue for the next few months atleast.

[J.OT13]

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[J.OT13]

Ridership of the Confederation Line has really picked-up. Nearly every seat taken at rush hour, a dozen or two people standing. I feel like this should have been the initial target. It's busy, but not crush load. It makes the ride much more pleasant than pre-pandemic without feeling like were wasting money running these huge vehicles.

Why is it that a highway is deemed "overcapacity" when traffic slow down at rush hour, but transit has to be crush load for it to be considered a success?

[OTSkyline]

How many trains do we have in service now? And what is currently the frequency?

Compared to # of trains we own and frequency that was promised?