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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 7:06 AM
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I wonder if you go at night if you can feel any ground vibrations.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 2:57 PM
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I wonder if you go at night if you can feel any ground vibrations.
I live near 10th and St.George, and at night around 7 you could hear this mid-pitch mechanical humming, but no vibrations. I'm not even sure if there were running the Boring machine but I would hate to live next to the tunnel entrance.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 4:24 PM
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I live near 10th and St.George, and at night around 7 you could hear this mid-pitch mechanical humming, but no vibrations. I'm not even sure if there were running the Boring machine but I would hate to live next to the tunnel entrance.
Might be kind of far from the TBM to be related to it but who knows. I guess soil composition might play a factor in any related vibrations.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 4:27 PM
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Remember it's not TransLink building this thing, it's the Province! I feel like it was TL, we'd have more frequent/fun updates.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 4:49 PM
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You can see the conveyor belt (the black strip running the length of the pic), I believe.

If someone is here getting pictures it would be cool to have a vid of the belt running and spoils being conveyed out. I'll try if I am down there.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 5:48 PM
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I guess those concrete tunnel liners and red steel cage is where the portal starts?
Here’s our answer. We can see the permanent tunnel rings start just outside the bore.
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Rings installed outside the tunnel are temporary & supported with steel frames. The rings pictured here will be removed after Elsie reaches Mount Pleasant Station.

Image from Broadway Subway Project https://twitter.com/broadwaysubway_/status/1585753529590943744?cxt=HHwWgMC4id-b3YEsAAAA
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 9:34 PM
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You can see the conveyor belt (the black strip running the length of the pic), I believe.
If someone is here getting pictures it would be cool to have a vid of the belt running and spoils being conveyed out. I'll try if I am down there.
Didn't know it was there.
I went waist-deep in my Recycle Bin to find what I had trimmed or cropped out from the video, found a little over a minute of footages.
I now know better for the next time (next week).

A 20sec gif and a 33sec up close video

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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 11:19 PM
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I wonder why it gets removed when the TBM reaches Mt Pleasant Station. In case it needs some maintenance it would get brought back?
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2022, 11:40 PM
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I wonder why it gets removed when the TBM reaches Mt Pleasant Station. In case it needs some maintenance it would get brought back?
Probably, yeah.
Once it gets to the Mt Pleasant Station open pit excavation, that station pit will be an open area for repairs.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 1:47 AM
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I wonder why it gets removed when the TBM reaches Mt Pleasant Station. In case it needs some maintenance it would get brought back?
I assume they will set up a new push off thrust frame at each station pit. Then as each section of tunnel is no longer taking the thrust of the TBM the temporary sections can be removed and the station box can be built.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 1:53 AM
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I assume they will set up a new push off thrust frame at each station pit. Then as each section of tunnel is no longer taking the thrust of the TBM the temporary sections can be removed and the station box can be built.
Ah, that makes sense!
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 3:13 AM
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Rough estimate it'll take around 50 days to reach Mount Pleasant at 18 meters a day?
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 3:41 AM
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Rough estimate it'll take around 50 days to reach Mount Pleasant at 18 meters a day?
Maybe 40 days from now? It's about 800m in total and has gone a bit over 150m.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 3:44 AM
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That means it'll be done around June or July at the latest. I take it the next two-ish years is station and track construction?
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 4:16 AM
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That means it'll be done around June or July at the latest. I take it the next two-ish years is station and track construction?


https://www.broadwaysubway.ca/construction/schedule/

I thought the TBM would launch earlier in the summer, I wonder if they are behind a bit. Tunnel rings are being fabricated in Nanaimo.

Also just noticed this interaction on Twitter


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Is there a visualization showing where approximately the TBM is on its journey?

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Great question! Stay tuned - we'll be giving further updates on TBM Elsie’s progress and location.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 4:54 AM
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I thought the TBM would launch earlier in the summer, I wonder if they are behind a bit. Tunnel rings are being fabricated in Nanaimo.

Also just noticed this interaction on Twitter
Yup, they are delayed. The schedule on this monthly update from January 2022 shows launch for July and August. I think I remember reading somewhere they said the delay was due to the concrete shortage.

https://www.broadwaysubway.ca/app/uploads/sites/626/2022/02/BSP-TIC-PCO-RPT-R0-MSR-202201.pdf
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2022, 5:56 AM
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MSE Precast seems to be fabricating the tunnel liners

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Segmental Tunnel Specialist
In August 2017, MSE Precast opened a 2nd location in Nanaimo, B.C. This plant has been completely renovated into a full-time Precast Tunnel Facility. We are proud to have supplied several tunnels to date and will continue to be an industry leader in this sector moving forward.
https://mseprecast.com/products-services/tunnels/

Seems like they barge them over



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Old Posted Oct 31, 2022, 3:19 AM
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Didn't know it was there.
I went waist-deep in my Recycle Bin to find what I had trimmed or cropped out from the video, found a little over a minute of footages.
I now know better for the next time (next week).

A 20sec gif and a 33sec up close video

....
Video Link
Cool! Thanks, Zep!

Anyone know where they take the spoils?
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2022, 5:11 AM
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Cool! Thanks, Zep!

Anyone know where they take the spoils?
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5.1.3.1 Tunnel Boring Machine Spoil
The reference design of the Project assumes twin 6 m diameter bored tunnels from Great Northern Way
Station (the portal) to the east end of the Project at Arbutus Street. Construction of the reference design
assumes a tunnel boring machine (TBM) will be delivered, assembled and launched from the portal at the
eastern terminus. During construction, the TBM cuttings (spoil) will likely be transported by conveyor or
‘muck cars’ for management and disposal. The volume of solids generated by the TBM has been
estimated to be approximately 324,000 m3.
Bedrock through which the Project tunnel(s) will be bored is not expected to contain contamination from
surface activities. Man-made contamination has been assumed to be contained within the overburden
and because of hydrostatic pressures within the bedrock, contamination will not have penetrated bedrock.
The physical characteristics of the TBM spoil depends on a variety of factors. There are several TBM
equipment options available and the selection of the appropriate TBM will be made by the Contractor
based on their evaluation of bedrock conditions from geotechnical investigations.
The construction of the reference concept assumes that an Earth Pressure Balance (EPB) TBM machine
is likely to be selected by the Contractor for the soft sedimentary bedrock being encountered on the
alignment. Other TBMs include Main Beam (Gripper or Thrust TBMs), typically used for hard rock
applications; slurry TBMs, used primarily in sands and gravels; or pressurized slurry TBMs that utilize
slurry at the cutting face to establish and balance pressure. Physical characteristics associated with the
use of an EPB-type of TBM is discussed below.
An EPB TBM can be operated in ‘open’ or ‘closed’ mode. In open mode, the cutting face is not
pressurized, and higher production rates can be achieved. Spoil from the TBM operating in open mode is
likely to have a gradation of 6” minus (most material less than 6 inches diameter). In closed mode,
used for softer materials, a pressurized cutting face is generated which applies support pressure through
highly viscous, conditioned spoil which is formed from mixing the excavated material with conditioners.
CONTAMINATED SITES AND EXCAVATED MATERIALS TECHNICAL DATA REPORT
Material Management
October 30, 2019
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This mixture is commonly referred to as “muck”. For optimum performance, EPB machines require the
muck to have good plastic deformation characteristics, low internal friction and low permeability.
These characteristics are produced through the selection of the conditioners and additives.
Muck is mixed with conditioners to reduce wear of the cutting tools and create a homogeneous material
inside the excavation chamber which helps to maintain a pressurized excavation face. Typically, the
conditioners include a polymer to maintain the consistency of the mixture through a variety of material
conditions. The conditioner and polymers are often proprietary to the TBM operators making it difficult to
determine the potential environmental impacts associated with disposal of the muck. As such, where
conditioners are used, regulatory agencies may consider the muck to be contaminated, which will
influence the management options available to the Contractor.
The muck generated by a TBM operated in “closed” mode will most likely be a high moisture content,
sloppy paste, which is unlikely to be suitable for re-use as a construction material. In a high moisture
state, muck may be difficult to transport, and require a dewatering process to separate the water from the
solids. The characteristics of the dewatering system will depend on the TBM selection, methodology, and
moisture content of the muck. The most basic treatment consists of settling ponds, sized to allow
sufficient time for the solids to separate from the water.
Construction of the reference design for the Project assumes a muck dewatering system will be
necessary. Both the dewatered muck and the water produced by tunneling will require appropriate
management and disposal.
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Some other options for disposal of excavation spoil include intermediate cover or final cover at a
permitted landfill site, or infill and reclamation of gravel pit, quarry and mine sites. Several of these
options exist within or near Metro Vancouver. As noted above, the beneficial reuse of Project materials for
such applications will be determined by project-specific requirements associated with potential destination
locations.
https://www.broadwaysubway.ca/app/upload...s-Technical-Data-Report-October-2019.pdf
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2022, 11:51 PM
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TBM today. Elsie hasn't moved as new sections are being added.

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