Atlanta Project Thread IV

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

I might have the context wrong because I only skim these dick swinging contests debates, but it seems like everyone has a lot of great ideas about how developers should build things but none about how business owners can make viable use out of them.

I go to Ace Hardware in Midtown and see 1-2 other customers at most. Meanwhile my building must get thousands of packages a week.

Some of you make it sound like we're only a couple zoning regulations away from erasing cars and Amazon Prime from the 21st century.

Y'all are exhausting.

ACE hardware would have closed if it were not successful. It is a neighborhood size store how many people at one time do you expect? Packages would be more akin to a department store. When I am working on little projects it is super convenient to be able to pop over to ACE hardware and grab what I need in that moment rather than wait 2 days for Amazon to send it.

[Libertarian]

Whether it's mandated retail or active use, the result is the same, a mandated taking of private property, akin to eminent domain except there's no compensation paid to the owner-developer. Such expropriation to satisfy some murky social or aesthetic benefits should be appealed to the supreme court.

[testarossa50]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Whether it's mandated retail or active use, the result is the same, a mandated taking of private property, akin to eminent domain except there's no compensation paid to the owner-developer. Such expropriation to satisfy some murky social or aesthetic benefits should be appealed to the supreme court.

Once again, just mind blowing that you’re so bent out of shape about this but stay mum on FAR maximums.

[Libertarian]

FAR is another example of a misguided regulatory missile.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by NYbyWAYofGA

See Terminus' answer above.

If that's what you really meant, okay. You tend to complain about almost everything related to Atlanta, so I'm never quite sure.

I've said it before, and I guess it needs to be repeated more often. This isn't New York, Chicago or even Seattle. Unless and until we get a robust transit system, absolutely NOTHING will change.

[daharris80]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Whether it's mandated retail or active use, the result is the same, a mandated taking of private property, akin to eminent domain except there's no compensation paid to the owner-developer. Such expropriation to satisfy some murky social or aesthetic benefits should be appealed to the supreme court.

No more amateur constitutional law. Zoning laws have consistently been upheld be the US Supreme Court as constitutional. But sure, go ahead and see how that works. I’ll just be over here quietly opening a commercial landfill next door. Can’t stop me, it’s “my” property.

[thegoatman]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

If that's what you really meant, okay. You tend to complain about almost everything related to Atlanta, so I'm never quite sure.

I've said it before, and I guess it needs to be repeated more often. This isn't New York, Chicago or even Seattle. Unless and until we get a robust transit system, absolutely NOTHING will change.

Seattle has like a single light rail line and the things happening there are light years ahead of anything Atlanta is doing. MARTA is heavy rail, we just don't take advantage of it

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by thegoatman

Seattle has like a single light rail line and the things happening there are light years ahead of anything Atlanta is doing. MARTA is heavy rail, we just don't take advantage of it

Seattle also has water everywhere that constrains sprawl and acts as a natural promoter of density as the amount of developable land is constrained.

[RocketSurgeon]

I obviously misunderstood, but if y'all weren't taking about mandating retail, then I don't know why I saw three pages of "retail" and "mandate" in response to a project with no retail

Anyway, I came here to tell you the second crane is going up at Society Atlanta. Work has been a bit slow lately but maybe that will speed it up.

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by thegoatman

Seattle has like a single light rail line and the things happening there are light years ahead of anything Atlanta is doing. MARTA is heavy rail, we just don't take advantage of it

I understand this sentiment, but I do finally feel very positive for the first time in many years. Some of the new stuff planned around MARTA is quite good - even from a national perspective. Newport (5 Points, Garnett), CIM (5 Points, Garnett, GWCC), Culdesac (Oakland City/West End) are all quite good (and all non-local developers I might add, hmmmm). Additionally, the stuff that has been built around Edgewood Candler Park Station is some of the best TOD I've seen, despite its relatively small size.

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed for 115 townhomes at 3560 Cascade Rd SW. Currently it's a gold driving range.

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed by Trammel Crow for 395-unit residential highrise at 3321 Lenox Rd. Former Houston's restaurant site.

[testarossa50]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Planning permit filed by Trammel Crow for 395-unit residential highrise at 3321 Lenox Rd. Former Houston's restaurant site.

395 units on 0.9 acres is pretty good density right across from a MARTA station.

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed for 1365 Metropolitan Pkwy SW for a 46-unit apartment building.

More info from the Beltline:

The scope of work includes a new four-story building with 56 residential units on a 0.31-acre site. The project will comply with the BeltLine Inclusionary Ordinance by providing 15% of the units at 80% of AMI.


The DRC made many recommendations including: "Update the elevations with larger windows to improve/soften the overall design. The windows on all the façades are incredibly small given the proportion of the building."

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Planning permit filed for 1365 Metropolitan Pkwy SW for a 46-unit apartment building.

More info from the Beltline:

The scope of work includes a new four-story building with 56 residential units on a 0.31-acre site. The project will comply with the BeltLine Inclusionary Ordinance by providing 15% of the units at 80% of AMI.


The DRC made many recommendations including: "Update the elevations with larger windows to improve/soften the overall design. The windows on all the façades are incredibly small given the proportion of the building."

Yikes. Maybe they should stick to emulating the midtown apartment buildings.

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed for 9 townhomes at 738 James P Brawley on the Beltline Westside Connector trail. "The scope also includes pedestrian access to the nearby Beltline spur trail via an extended streetscape along James P. Brawley Drive."

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed for 21 townhomes townhomes at 1114 Westshire Pl in Home Park.

[shivtim]

Planning permit filed to transfer development rights from the Margaret Mitchell House and Commercial Row to 250 14th street for a Toll Brothers apartment building.

[DNR]

Wait - This must be a SCAD dorm annex!?

If not, they definitely had some direct influence on this Neo Communist-Block design scheme.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by thegoatman

Seattle has like a single light rail line and the things happening there are light years ahead of anything Atlanta is doing. MARTA is heavy rail, we just don't take advantage of it

They also have had commuter rail for more than 20 years and arguably the best bus system in the States. Hardly a fair comparison, but you already know that.