Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Let's keep this conversation going by looking at the stance of each mayoral candidate.

How your Vancouver mayoral candidates plan to help the Downtown Eastside
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-candidates-downtown-eastside

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Unbelievably the perp of the Howe and Davie assault (known to police) has already been released from custody! This after a violent random attack on a woman. What a complete failure by David Eby and the NDP.

The judicial system in this province is also an utter failure at this point.

Coincidentally, Dailyhive has an opinion piece on this:

Opinion: Don't blame BC's bail system for rise in stranger attacks
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/opinion-criminal-lawyer-on-bc-bail-system

[Vin]

Hastings Street campers seek judicial review to strike down fire order calling for shelter removals
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hastings-street-campers-fight-fire-order-1.6604165

Now illegal tenters are using tax payers' money to get City Hall and the Vancouver Fire Department to stop evicting them from public spaces. Opportunistic lawyers are also dipping their hands into the pot.

Nice system we have here.


Another one of Fred Harding's (NPA) ideas:

One of Harding’s ideas involves renovating spaces that could house the homeless and their tents. Harding said he’d want potential spaces to be cleaned up and made rodent-free, offering all the necessities one needs like security, bathrooms with showers, and washing machines.

“It’s really important that people understand that this is a plan; I’m not pulling things out of my ass and not pulling things out of the air.”

Sourced from:

How your Vancouver mayoral candidates plan to help the Downtown Eastside
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-candidates-downtown-eastside

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Let's keep this conversation going by looking at the stance of each mayoral candidate.

All parties:

"...also wants the federal government to take on their share of the responsibility"

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

All parties:

"...also wants the federal government to take on their share of the responsibility"

That's very important, but we also need someone running City Hall to fulfill their duties here, as well as being good enough to partner with all levels of governments to get things done.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Now illegal tenters are using tax payers' money to get City Hall and the Vancouver Fire Department to stop evicting them from public spaces. Opportunistic lawyers are also dipping their hands into the pot.

Nice system we have here.

They're asking for money?

"seeking a judicial review to strike down the July 25th fire order calling for the removal of all tents and structures"

I'm trying to find more info beyond the article posted, but don't have the time atm, but I'll go with what the CBC says for the time being.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

They're asking for money?

"seeking a judicial review to strike down the July 25th fire order calling for the removal of all tents and structures"

I'm trying to find more info beyond the article posted, but don't have the time atm, but I'll go with what the CBC says for the time being.

Good old Pivot Legal, making life shittier for Vancouverites for decades.

[hollywoodnorth]

B.C. attorney general says increasing arrests to fight violent crime is 'futile'

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-388707-3-.htm#388707

Murray Rankin says fighting crime by arresting more people is "futile," and the government is instead considering a range of options to keep people safe.


to all you NDP voters out there ..... thanks for turning our city into a war zone. I wish there was a way to limit the street violence inflicted upon average citizens to just NDP voters .... you know giving them what they want. lawlessness and mob rule.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

B.C. attorney general says increasing arrests to fight violent crime is 'futile'

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-388707-3-.htm#388707

Murray Rankin says fighting crime by arresting more people is "futile," and the government is instead considering a range of options to keep people safe.


to all you NDP voters out there ..... thanks for turning our city into a war zone. I wish there was a way to limit the street violence inflicted upon average citizens to just NDP voters .... you know giving them what they want. lawlessness and mob rule.

Well you can't "pre-arrest" someone

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

to all you NDP voters out there ..... thanks for turning our city into a war zone. I wish there was a way to limit the street violence inflicted upon average citizens to just NDP voters .... you know giving them what they want. lawlessness and mob rule.

Heh, let's not forget to thank Lib voters for bringing in all the drugs and dirty money and making so many people homeless in the first place!

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Good old Pivot Legal, making life shittier for Vancouverites for decades.

So their clients don't live in Vancouver?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

One of Harding’s ideas involves renovating spaces that could house the homeless and their tents. Harding said he’d want potential spaces to be cleaned up and made rodent-free, offering all the necessities one needs like security, bathrooms with showers, and washing machines.

“It’s really important that people understand that this is a plan; I’m not pulling things out of my ass and not pulling things out of the air.”

Unless Fred can identify where these 'spaces' are that could be renovated and have bathrooms, showers and washing machines plumbed in, that's exactly where he's pulling the idea from. Can you identify these City-owned properties sitting around waiting for Fred to find a use for them? Is he thinking of commandeering The Arbutus Club? Taking over some Southlands stables? Is there an unwanted hall in Dunbar?

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Unless Fred can identify where these 'spaces' are that could be renovated and have bathrooms, showers and washing machines plumbed in, that's exactly where he's pulling the idea from. Can you identify these City-owned properties sitting around waiting for Fred to find a use for them? Is he thinking of commandeering The Arbutus Club? Taking over some Southlands stables? Is there an unwanted hall in Dunbar?

He's talking about seizing private property for the common good and spreading the poorly distributed wealth to the working class, Comrade!

It's like Lenin said... I am the walrus.

[Conrad Yablonski]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Well you can't "pre-arrest" someone

You must not have spent much time living in the developing world where it happens all the time-and those people are rarely seen again.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

So their clients don't live in Vancouver?

Does "No Fixed Address" count as living in Vancouver?

So glad Pivot Legal and the other poverty pimps have told us tent cities are no biggie...

Vancouver Fire Rescue Services
@VanFireRescue
Oct 4

Tent fire catching a gas meter on fire. The quick response of fire crews were able to contain the fire from spreading into the building. Fires in the #dtes continue to be serious and frequent.
[IMG]FePGe1vaAAA93HY by bcborn, on Flickr[/IMG]
Credit: Vancouver Fire & Rescue Services

https://twitter.com/VanFireRescue/status/1577327787874332673

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Unless Fred can identify where these 'spaces' are that could be renovated and have bathrooms, showers and washing machines plumbed in, that's exactly where he's pulling the idea from. Can you identify these City-owned properties sitting around waiting for Fred to find a use for them? Is he thinking of commandeering The Arbutus Club? Taking over some Southlands stables? Is there an unwanted hall in Dunbar?

Lots, if you don't look the other way on purpose. We all know that you think nothing can be done and we should just all give up, but there are still some who are not like yourself.

[Vin]

Definitely a dysfunctional justice system:

Direct Crown to fight bail for accused criminals, BC Liberals press NDP
https://globalnews.ca/news/9175990/bc-crime-question-period-crown/
BC Liberal Leader Kevin Falcon told the legislature violent criminals were being emboldened to reoffend, accusing the government of operating a “catch-and-release” policy.

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Well you can't "pre-arrest" someone

Originally Posted by Conrad Yablonski

You must not have spent much time living in the developing world where it happens all the time-and those people are rarely seen again.

More like "post-release" someone.

Also, how is arresting criminals after they commit violent crimes "Pre-arrest"?? You don't make any cow sense at all, and that includes Comrade Yablonski.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

So their clients don't live in Vancouver?

Transients don't count, and criminals have no right to live anywhere except in a jail cell.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Transients don't count, and criminals have no right to live anywhere except in a jail cell.

You've asked them all where they were living before they became homeless? (Over 80% in recent homelessness surveys were living in Vancouver before they became homeless).

If they're living on Vancouver's streets, they're residents of Vancouver.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

You've asked them all where they were living before they became homeless? (Over 80% in recent homelessness surveys were living in Vancouver before they became homeless).

If they're living on Vancouver's streets, they're residents of Vancouver.

*Gasp!* Are you then saying that 80% of homeless folks in Vancouver are actually Vancouverites? Gasp! I suppose the myth that most are from outside the city or out-of-province is nothing but a lie. Thanks for sharing the fact that homelessness and addiction are both home-grown problems stemming from our very own broken system.