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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 12:52 PM
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5T's 0800 departure is delayed until 1830 - eeks! The 1245 departure is on time.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 12:57 PM
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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 10:04 PM
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Lynx just announced another massive expansion and YOW yet again is left out.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 10:15 PM
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I don't do the motel thing. More than happy to take a KLM/AF bus, or use discounted parking at the airport for my european travels.

And yes, you do seem to want to inject misery into your travels. Why else would anyone willingly want to connect in YYZ. Your responses are pretty clear on the matter.

Happy travels.
Not trying to pick a fight or anything but I am extremely curious about something out of all honesty. If YUL your preferred choice, and going there instead of connecting from YOW is your best primary option, then why are you on this forum? I’m on this forum because I actually love YOW and want to see it thrive and succeed. So if you have YUL as your primary and most favoured option, why are you here? Again, not trying to start an argument, I just want to know what your thought process is.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 1:16 AM
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Not trying to pick a fight or anything but I am extremely curious about something out of all honesty. If YUL your preferred choice, and going there instead of connecting from YOW is your best primary option, then why are you on this forum? I’m on this forum because I actually love YOW and want to see it thrive and succeed. So if you have YUL as your primary and most favoured option, why are you here? Again, not trying to start an argument, I just want to know what your thought process is.
No worries. YUL is my choice as a european gateway. Everything else I choose to fly through YOW. My preference, just like everyone else on this forum, is direct flights to Europe from YOW.

The difference in this long winded back and forth discussion is how best we get airlines to provide that service.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 1:27 AM
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Lynx just announced another massive expansion and YOW yet again is left out.
This was an "expansion" from their existing stations (YYZ & YYC) to southern US destinations. This is where Canadians want to travel in the winter.

IF Lynx were to announce YOW, it would be for flights starting in the Summer of 2023. They won't start a YYC-YOW in the middle of winter when demand is low.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 1:08 PM
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 2:03 PM
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2022, 12:39 PM
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Not trying to pick a fight or anything but I am extremely curious about something out of all honesty. If YUL your preferred choice, and going there instead of connecting from YOW is your best primary option, then why are you on this forum? I’m on this forum because I actually love YOW and want to see it thrive and succeed
Is this your real takeaway from the last few pages of this thread? You read the posts and feel some Ottawa residents prefer YUL to YOW? Yikes.

Listen, people get on planes to go places. Air travel is no longer the journey, it's the destination. We'd ALL prefer to fly direct from YOW to where we need to be. No Ottawa residents are driving to YUL to fly to YVR/YYC/PUJ or other "YOW-nonstop" destinations.

The risk reduction, additional airline/FFP choice, IRROPS impact, and time savings of driving to YUL to fly non-stop vs an added AC flight make it very compelling, even for the biggest YOW fans out there.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2022, 3:10 PM
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Is this your real takeaway from the last few pages of this thread? You read the posts and feel some Ottawa residents prefer YUL to YOW? Yikes.

Listen, people get on planes to go places. Air travel is no longer the journey, it's the destination. We'd ALL prefer to fly direct from YOW to where we need to be. No Ottawa residents are driving to YUL to fly to YVR/YYC/PUJ or other "YOW-nonstop" destinations.

The risk reduction, additional airline/FFP choice, IRROPS impact, and time savings of driving to YUL to fly non-stop vs an added AC flight make it very compelling, even for the biggest YOW fans out there.
That is exactly the takeaway I got. You can go yicks yourself into oblivion. If someone is driving more to YUL than using YOW, is that not a preference? Regardless of what that individual actually wants? If YOW was my preference I would start here and connect. The second I drive to YUL, then YUL becomes my preference, regardless of what I actually want.

Like I said before, I could care less of what people choose. It is not my business to care for that matter. Everyone has their own reasons why they start in YOW or YUL or Timbuktu. What I can't stand and what I cannot stay quiet about are those that are showing airlines they are willing to drive to YUL to catch a flight to Paris and then complaining about why YOW does not have a direct Paris route plain and simple. I'm very sorry but the harsh reality is that these people are contributing to the reason why YOW does not have such service, no disrespect, it's just reality.

By the way, that question was directed to someone else, not you, to which they responded to it respectfully, sans yicks.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2022, 7:30 PM
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That is exactly the takeaway I got. You can go yicks yourself into oblivion. If someone is driving more to YUL than using YOW, is that not a preference? Regardless of what that individual actually wants? If YOW was my preference I would start here and connect. The second I drive to YUL, then YUL becomes my preference, regardless of what I actually want.

Like I said before, I could care less of what people choose. It is not my business to care for that matter. Everyone has their own reasons why they start in YOW or YUL or Timbuktu. What I can't stand and what I cannot stay quiet about are those that are showing airlines they are willing to drive to YUL to catch a flight to Paris and then complaining about why YOW does not have a direct Paris route plain and simple. I'm very sorry but the harsh reality is that these people are contributing to the reason why YOW does not have such service, no disrespect, it's just reality.

By the way, that question was directed to someone else, not you, to which they responded to it respectfully, sans yicks.
We should all keep in mind though that even someone going on a trip via YUL for whatever reason, might still strongly prefer (if the circumstances were better) to use YOW and travel from Ottawa. I find it helpful to think about it as a sort of spectrum.

On the one hand, there are people who want YOW's non-stop options to improve so much and want YOW to get so much traffic directly associated with it that they would not contemplate driving to a different airport or opt to pay a huge premium which for many other people would be economically nonviable.

On the other hand, you could have someone who doesn't care what YOW has available or how many non-stop options we come up with in the future, they will happily go to Montreal, Ogdensburg or wherever, just to save a few dollars (sometimes maybe even do the math so poorly that they don't factor in things like the cost of their time, depreciation on their car/gas, etc.) or to ensure they absolutely minimize connections and the problems they can bring.

Ultimately most of us are somewhere in between and as a result, many of us can all find common cause to work towards an improved YOW, an airport that ultimately benefits us across the board. I am also less worried about the fairly air transportation savy people on this forum and more concerned about the average Ottawa-Gatineau region resident who doesn't think about these issues for a moment or is completely resigned to Ottawa being underserved in the long run.

Hopefully as the situation improved here in Ottawa, more and more people willing to go to places like Montreal reach their inflection point and we have a virtuous circle!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2022, 8:21 PM
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2022, 6:15 PM
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Was due to travel to NYC via EWR in November and AC has reduced their scheduled flights from 3 to 2 daily. AC automatically rebooked me, but I can no longer leave in the evening.

So AC and UA will each have 2x daily flights that depart YOW between 06:00 and 12:00. Luckily, UA does have an evening departure to YOW because AC also removed theirs from EWR.

Also, the one-off UA mainline flight scheduled for Nov 6 will now be operated on a B738 instead of an A320.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Was due to travel to NYC via EWR in November and AC has reduced their scheduled flights from 3 to 2 daily. AC automatically rebooked me, but I can no longer leave in the evening.

So AC and UA will each have 2x daily flights that depart YOW between 06:00 and 12:00. Luckily, UA does have an evening departure to YOW because AC also removed theirs from EWR.

Also, the one-off UA mainline flight scheduled for Nov 6 will now be operated on a B738 instead of an A320.
It's annoying that AC keeps dropping these Transborder evening flights. It would be nice to have a post-work flight option to get to the States that doesn't require connecting in YYZ, and even for most of those the latest you can leave YOW is 5pm, which makes it tight if going after work. They did the same with DCA back in the Spring. Was originally a 6pm-ish departure and then they changed the schedule to 930am.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2022, 1:34 AM
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It's annoying that AC keeps dropping these Transborder evening flights. It would be nice to have a post-work flight option to get to the States that doesn't require connecting in YYZ, and even for most of those the latest you can leave YOW is 5pm, which makes it tight if going after work. They did the same with DCA back in the Spring. Was originally a 6pm-ish departure and then they changed the schedule to 930am.
At the end of the month/early November, the DCA flight will switch back to an evening departure from YOW and will be on the CRJ200 (currently on the 900).

I also noticed that AC's CRJ200s are coming back to YOW this Fall... currently (and surprisingly) there aren't many scheduled here, but later this month they will be put back on YUL & DCA, as well as EWR which will be restarting at the end of the month. (YUL had a mix of DH8, CRJ900 & A220 this summer).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2022, 2:30 PM
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Flair Changes for next summer in Ottawa:

Calgary – Ottawa 07MAY23 – 06JUN23 Increase from 3 to 5 weekly
Victoria – Ottawa eff 10JUN23 Seasonal service scheduled 1 weekly, instead of 2 in NS22
Vancouver – Ottawa 26MAR23 – 05MAY23 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221003-f8ns23ca
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Was due to travel to NYC via EWR in November and AC has reduced their scheduled flights from 3 to 2 daily. AC automatically rebooked me, but I can no longer leave in the evening.

So AC and UA will each have 2x daily flights that depart YOW between 06:00 and 12:00. Luckily, UA does have an evening departure to YOW because AC also removed theirs from EWR.

Also, the one-off UA mainline flight scheduled for Nov 6 will now be operated on a B738 instead of an A320.
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous that this winter the four EWR departures all leave before noon. AC show the evening EWR flight now returning on 01MAY23. It's also the day on which they're showing YOW-BOS returning and the return of the 2nd DCA flight.

I see UA are adding back a second IAD on 10FEB23 and the new flight is an E75. IAD is showing as 3x CRJ next summer. ORD goes up to 3x CRJ on weekdays (2x weekends) on 26MAR23.

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Old Posted Oct 5, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Yeah it's pretty ridiculous that this winter the four EWR departures all leave before noon. AC show the evening EWR flight now returning on 01MAY23. It's also the day on which they're showing YOW-BOS returning and the return of the 2nd DCA flight.

I see UA are adding back a second IAD on 10FEB23 and the new flight is an E75. IAD is showing as 3x CRJ next summer. ORD goes up to 3x CRJ on weekdays (2x weekends) on 26MAR23.

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I believe that Air Wisconsin, who currently flies the CRJ200 regionally for United is shifting operations over to American, meaning that the YOW-ORD/IAD routes will need to be flown by another regional beginning in March 2023.

The E70 is nicer than the CRJ200 and carries more passengers, so seeing that here more regularly would be great.
     
     
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