Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[thurmas]

https://www.conservateur.quebec/plateforme

Nous souhaitons être « Libres chez nous » avec notamment cinq grandes propositions:

Réduire considérablement les impôts d’environ 2000 $ pour un travailleur qui gagne 80 000 $ par année et suspendre les taxes sur l’essence en vue d’aider les familles québécoises à faire face à la hausse du coût de la vie.
Décentraliser le système de la santé, instaurer de la concurrence entre les différents établissements et additionner la contribution du secteur privé en vue d’améliorer enfin l’efficacité des soins.
Favoriser le transport en commun en offrant l’autobus gratuit plutôt que d’investir dans un coûteux et inutile tramway à Québec.
Permettre l’exploration de nos hydrocarbures afin de rendre le Québec autonome en matière énergétique et aider nos alliés européens à consommer une énergie plus verte.
Aider toutes les familles pour la garde de leurs enfants en offrant une allocation de 200 $ par semaine, par enfant, pour les parents qui n’ont pas accès aux CPE ou qui souhaitent un service différent.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

You don’t need to know French to live in Montreal, although it cuts you off from some of the best parts of the city’s cultural life. The proportion of unilingual anglophones actually increased in the last census, possibly due to all the ROC anglos who moved here during the pandemic to take advantage of a lower cost of living and remote work opportunities.

Obviously I think it’s a shame if someone lives here and doesn’t ever learn French, but people are generally forgiving. After all, you have to start somewhere, and it’s not like you can become fluent in French by living in Toronto or Edmonton.

Arguably true, although if you don't speak French, would you really care? Even the unilingual Anglophone would be able to muddle through with a few words like bonjour, combien, bonne journee, etc, etc.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by thurmas

https://www.conservateur.quebec/plateforme

Nous souhaitons être « Libres chez nous » avec notamment cinq grandes propositions:

Réduire considérablement les impôts d’environ 2000 $ pour un travailleur qui gagne 80 000 $ par année et suspendre les taxes sur l’essence en vue d’aider les familles québécoises à faire face à la hausse du coût de la vie.
Décentraliser le système de la santé, instaurer de la concurrence entre les différents établissements et additionner la contribution du secteur privé en vue d’améliorer enfin l’efficacité des soins.
Favoriser le transport en commun en offrant l’autobus gratuit plutôt que d’investir dans un coûteux et inutile tramway à Québec.
Permettre l’exploration de nos hydrocarbures afin de rendre le Québec autonome en matière énergétique et aider nos alliés européens à consommer une énergie plus verte.
Aider toutes les familles pour la garde de leurs enfants en offrant une allocation de 200 $ par semaine, par enfant, pour les parents qui n’ont pas accès aux CPE ou qui souhaitent un service différent.

Have any of the commentators done calculations of what that would imply? Seems like a huge hit to the provincial budget, although some of it would be temporary. It seems like all the provincial parties are in a race to cut, albeit belatedly, the provincial tax burden.

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by thurmas

the campaign launch for the Quebec Tories looks pretty good today very good crowd size for a virtual brand new party:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABJgiPATUw

Voilà, this is the regular Canadian accent. Everybody can understand them with no difficulty.

As for their political agenda itself, I find it irrelevant in some respects.

They would make money from drilling for fossil fuels in their region if they've got any oil or natural gas in their subsoil, just like Alberta or the US do, but that's not exactly what you call green energy or sustainable development and I can't tell whether any of their European allies would ever buy it from them anyway.
Even nuclear power plants are greener than fossil fuels when it comes to gas emissions.

Every modern city has a subway or at least a light rail network. So it'd probably be better for Quebec City to have their own. You need cars in rural areas for sure, but most often (depending on one's job / occupation), not in decently developed cities.

Competition in the healthcare system has already been implemented for long over here and there's no problem with it. We've got both public and private hospitals and I guess it has worked so far. I'm kind of astonished it wouldn't be the same over there yet.
However, we've got some issues with our healthcare system too nowadays, but it's unrelated. Our problem is what they call "déserts médicaux", that means that healthcare services and docs have deserted some entire regions of the country, which is a serious issue.

Decreasing taxes always sounds sexy to voters. You just got to make sure your government is still run properly. See the problems the US has had with their infrastructures for instance. I don't wish Quebecers the same.

Subsidizing nurseries is not really a Conservative option. The Social Democrats would do the same, which makes sense in most cases.

That's about it.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by thurmas

the campaign launch for the Quebec Tories looks pretty good today very good crowd size for a virtual brand new party:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABJgiPATUw

If the federalist vote gets divided between Liberals and Conservatives, then it will ensure that sovereignist Québécois parties are in power forever. Not sure it's very clever on the part of the federalists.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by thurmas

https://www.conservateur.quebec/plateforme

Nous souhaitons être « Libres chez nous » avec notamment cinq grandes propositions:

Réduire considérablement les impôts d’environ 2000 $ pour un travailleur qui gagne 80 000 $ par année et suspendre les taxes sur l’essence en vue d’aider les familles québécoises à faire face à la hausse du coût de la vie.
Décentraliser le système de la santé, instaurer de la concurrence entre les différents établissements et additionner la contribution du secteur privé en vue d’améliorer enfin l’efficacité des soins.
Favoriser le transport en commun en offrant l’autobus gratuit plutôt que d’investir dans un coûteux et inutile tramway à Québec.
Permettre l’exploration de nos hydrocarbures afin de rendre le Québec autonome en matière énergétique et aider nos alliés européens à consommer une énergie plus verte.
Aider toutes les familles pour la garde de leurs enfants en offrant une allocation de 200 $ par semaine, par enfant, pour les parents qui n’ont pas accès aux CPE ou qui souhaitent un service différent.

Faire passer la vitesse maximum sur autoroutes à 120 km/h ?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Faire passer la vitesse maximum sur autoroutes à 120 km/h ?

C'est 100 kmh présentement. Quoique, officieusement, on peut dire que la limite est 120 kmh car c'est ce qui est toléré.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

If the federalist vote gets divided between Liberals and Conservatives, then it will ensure that sovereignist Québécois parties are in power forever. Not sure it's very clever on the part of the federalists.

I would label the CAQ an autonomous party not sovereignists. The Quebec Liberals are very vulnerable and this can be a very good opening for Duhaime and the Quebec Tories in Montreal as Duhaime in the past has sounded much more accomdating to Quebec Anglos than the Liberals have.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Acajack

C'est 100 kmh présentement. Quoique, officieusement, on peut dire que la limite est 120 kmh car c'est ce qui est toléré.

C’est ça qui est ironique parce que la vitesse de design est techniquement 110 km/h au Québec (lorsque c’est 120 km/h en Ontario). Normalement on attend une différence de 20 km/h entre la vitesse maximum postée et celle de design dans ce contexte.
Mais il est vrai que la Sûreté du Québec n’arrête presque jamais personne pour conduire à 120 km/h si la limite est 100 km/h (sauf sur des super-2s, j’imagine?).
De toute façon, on se retourne à la politique fédérale langue française au Canada. Sérieusement, je ne peux pas distinguer ces 3 fils: la politique fédérale, le leadership des Conservateurs Fédéraux, puis la langue française au Canada.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by thurmas

I would label the CAQ an autonomous party not sovereignists. The Quebec Liberals are very vulnerable and this can be a very good opening for Duhaime and the Quebec Tories in Montreal as Duhaime in the past has sounded much more accomdating to Quebec Anglos than the Liberals have.

Québec is a left-leaning society, like France. The Conservatives in Québec face an uphill battle, like their cousins in France, and have realistically very little chance of ever winning power. It's like the Tories in Scotland: in the 2010s suddenly they started to be "hype", they registered some success because Scottish people opposed to independence were sick and tired of the Scottish Labour Party (traditionally the big anti-independence party), some pro-union (pro-UK) journalists in London were already musing they would become the dominant party in Scotland and topple the SNP, but then nothing came of it. They remain a small party because Scotland, like France, like Québec, is a left-leaning society.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

C'est 100 kmh présentement.

I know. But there have been proposals to bring it to 120 km/h, which is already de facto how people drive. I thought if that Conservative Québécois party is pro-red meat as they seem to be (anti-tax on gasoline, drill baby drill, etc), surely they would also include the 120 km/h in their manifesto (PS: Polish Catholic super conservative PiS party which governs Poland even brought the speed limit to 140 km/h ).

[lio45]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Faire passer la vitesse maximum sur autoroutes à 120 km/h ?

Tout le monde roule déjà à 120

Quoique, il y a une certaine élégance dans le système actuel puisque ça ne vaut pas vraiment la peine de donner une contravention pour moins de 2 tranches de 10 km/h au dessus de la limite. De ce fait, en ce moment, il est généralement toléré <70 km/h en ville, <110 km/h sur une route principale à une voie dans chaque direction, et <120 km/h sur l’autoroute, ce qui est raisonnable et cohérent.

Monter la limite officielle à 120 signifie probablement qu’on ne se fera pas écœurer en bas de 140 …

Ou sinon, si l’intention est un 120 « réaliste » et finie la tolérance, il faudrait changer les lois un peu (pour rendre les contraventions plus sévères sur les autoroutes). C’est possible aussi.

[Dengler Avenue]

Ou sinon, si l’intention est un 120 « réaliste » et finie la tolérance, il faudrait changer les lois un peu (pour rendre les contraventions plus sévères sur les autoroutes). C’est possible aussi.

Je ne veux pas qu’on devienne comme l’Europe dans cet égard. J’apprécierai toujours une marge d’erreur.

[New Brisavoine]

^^There's a marge d'erreur in Europe too. In France the speed limit on autoroutes is 130 km/h, but you'll get fined only if you drive faster than 136.5 km/h. Also, speedometers in cars typically display a car speed 5 km/h higher than the actually speed at which you're driving. That means on French autoroutes you can drive up to 140 km/h (as appearing on the dashboard of your car) without getting fined. This applies to fixed radars (which are signed and known to drivers).

Regarding mobile radars (which are unknown to drivers, embarked in police cars bearing no insignia), you get fined on autoroutes only if you drive faster than 143 km/h (which means a speed of ca. 148 km/h as appearing on your dashboard).

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Québec is a left-leaning society, like France. The Conservatives in Québec face an uphill battle, like their cousins in France, and have realistically very little chance of ever winning power. It's like the Tories in Scotland: in the 2010s suddenly they started to be "hype", they registered some success because Scottish people opposed to independence were sick and tired of the Scottish Labour Party (traditionally the big anti-independence party), some pro-union (pro-UK) journalists in London were already musing they would become the dominant party in Scotland and topple the SNP, but then nothing came of it. They remain a small party because Scotland, like France, like Québec, is a left-leaning society.

Yes

There is an almost unprecedented rise of the Conservateurs, but Barbara Kay is far too optimistic.

More recent polls have brought Duhaime down to earth.

The CAQ is as conservative as most Québécois will go.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Is Montreal-style Joual spoken widely outside of greater Montreal?

Joual is an accepted name for the linguistic features of Quebec French that are associated with the French-speaking working class in Montreal

mange ma plotte.

No I don't eat pussy.

I would say that present day Brayon and Ontario French sounds more like your old Montréal joual than modern day Québec accent.

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Québec is a left-leaning society, like France. The Conservatives in Québec face an uphill battle, like their cousins in France, and have realistically very little chance of ever winning power. It's like the Tories in Scotland: in the 2010s suddenly they started to be "hype", they registered some success because Scottish people opposed to independence were sick and tired of the Scottish Labour Party (traditionally the big anti-independence party), some pro-union (pro-UK) journalists in London were already musing they would become the dominant party in Scotland and topple the SNP, but then nothing came of it. They remain a small party because Scotland, like France, like Québec, is a left-leaning society.

The Scottish Social Democrats are pro-independence and pro-EU.
You were probably tired and made a little mistake.

You are a very right-leaning individual for sure. I would suggest you to try racetracks if you like driving that much, but you might appear laughable if you can't afford at least an Alpine or a Porsche.

France is just a Cartesian and balanced society overall. Given the current shape of the French left wing, which is somewhat pitiful, I wouldn't call it left-leaning at the moment.

[New Brisavoine]

^^

[mousquet]

^ Don't you have anything more recent? There was Brexit since then.

I heard they wanted to keep selling their Whiskey to the EU. That's undrinkable, but lots of people would drink it anyhow.

The Scots just did their math and found out that remaining within the EU was a better deal to them.
The current so called First Minister of Scotland, a lady whose name is Nicola Sturgeon is pro-EU, then pro-independence.
I think she was so even prior to Brexit. That's all I know.

I thought she was from the Labour Party, but she's actually a member of what they call Scottish National Party. My mistake.

Anyway, if another referendum occurred today, the outcome may not be the same as that of 2014.

[New Brisavoine]

That's *IF* another referendum takes place... Like in Québec.