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Old Posted Aug 11, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Barely a decade ago Chicago had numerous more and taller supertalls than NYC, that will likely never happen again. Crazy how fast that changed.
Yeah, 10 years ago Chicago had 4 towers over 1,000' by roof height, and NYC only had 1, but a large part of that discrepancy was the loss of the WTC twins on 9-11.

Today, NYC has completely pulled away into the lead and will likely never look back at any city in north American in terms of the supertall game.
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Today, NYC has completely pulled away into the lead and will likely never look back at any city in north American in terms of the supertall game.
Are any cities outside of North America building a bunch of supertalls?
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Are any cities outside of North America building a bunch of supertalls?
Tons, more than in North America these days.

Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Kuala Lumpur, Dubai just to name a few

NY and Chicago still score pretty high globally on the supertall count and are the only Western cities to do so.

I'm pretty convinced NY will never stop building them, but I think with a bit of luck Chicago can build a few more / get back in the game.
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Tons, more than in North America these days.

Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Kuala Lumpur, Dubai just to name a few

NY and Chicago still score pretty high globally on the supertall count and are the only Western cities to do so.

I'm pretty convinced NY will never stop building them, but I think with a bit of luck Chicago can build a few more / get back in the game.
Yeah, I meant to ask if any city is building more than NYC in the world at the moment. I'm aware that there's not much supertall construction going on in North America outside of NYC.
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Nanjing is building more, Wuhan is building more, Shenzhen is building more, some othere Chinese cities, Dubai is building more

Yeah looked around a bit. I'd say, outside of China, Dubai and maybe Kuala Lumpur, NYC is building the most.
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I'm pretty convinced NY will never stop building them, but I think with a bit of luck Chicago can build a few more / get back in the game.
I think NYC is in the process of fixing it's busted tax policy where these condos pay almost nothing relatively in property taxes. That is what birthed most of the supertalls. If that happens (which we should all hope it should) supertall construction will slow down dramatically.
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I think NYC is in the process of fixing it's busted tax policy where these condos pay almost nothing relatively in property taxes. That is what birthed most of the supertalls. If that happens (which we should all hope it should) supertall construction will slow down dramatically.
Lol no
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Lol no
No as in it wont slow? I mean okay, your guess is as good as mine. Obviously it wouldn't impact office construction. But the taxes (or uh lack thereof) absolutely made these things happen.
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No as in it wont slow? I mean okay, your guess is as good as mine. Obviously it wouldn't impact office construction. But the taxes (or uh lack thereof) absolutely made these things happen.
No I don't think it will slow. Yes they did play a big part in it, but residential as a whole has just been super hot regardless. Frankly I think developers will push through anyway, even with the extreme luxury projects like 80 South. Maybe not as frequently as before, maybe so. Idk at this point.

But we'll also see a lot of stuff for the "average millionaire" lol, instead of the billionaires. Like The Brooklyn Tower or 247 Cherry Street. And if HY 2 contains supertalls those will be expensive but not 57th Street expensive.

Also a lot of new supertalls coming to the city will be office, through projects like Penn Station towers and PABT redevelopment.
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Cool video of the Toronto waterfront and Islands which illustrates how wide the water from skyline has gotten.

it's still not as wide as Toronto North South axis but the change has been phenomenal.

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Just a small slice. Small area of boom going on. Expand towards the overall region and a lot of high rises and skyscraper u/c or planned or approved!

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1. 700 N. Miami Avenue - Developer: WITKOFF & Monroe Capital LLC - 3 towers as high as 57-stories are planned for this vacant 4.7-acre site.

2. 700 NE 1st Avenue | Miami World Tower- Developer: Lalezarian Properties LLC - construction is underway for this 53-story mixed-use tower, topping off at 579-feet. Architect: Nichols Architects. GC: Coastal Construction Company

3. Miami Worldcenter Block E West (Miami World Tower Phase 2) - a second tower is planned to rise on this site.

4. 697 N. Miami Avenue | Miami Worldcenter Block G West (Caoba Phase 2) - Developer: CIM Group - construction is underway for the second phase of this property, planned to top off at 40-stories. Architect: Cohen Freedman Encinosa. GC: Kaufman Lynn Construction

5. 601 N. Miami Avenue | The Crosby Miami Worldcenter - Developer: Related Group & Merrimac Ventures, L.C. - 31-story residential tower. Architect: Cohen Freedman Encinosa.

6. 555 N. Miami Avenue | Okan Tower - Developer: OKAN GROUP HOLDING - The tower will top off at 70-stories, 902-feet. Architect: BEHAR FONT & PARTNERS, P.A. GC: Suffolk Construction

7. 500 NE 1st Avenue - Developer: Melo Group - the developer is planning a 60-story.

8. 601 NE 1st Avenue | Natiivo Miami - Developer: GFO INVESTMENTS, LLC. - construction is underway for this 588-foot-tall, 51-story mixed-use tower. Architect: Arquitectonica. GC: Kast Construction

9. 398 NE 5th Street | The Elser Hotel & Residences - Developer: Property Markets Group & Greybrook Realty Partners - the 49-story tower completed construction this year.

10. 501 NE 1st Avenue | 501 First Miami - Developer: Aria Development Group - 40-story building. Architect: Revuelta Architecture International. Demolition GC: Beauchamp Construction Co., Inc.


11. 150 NE 8th Street | Jewelry Box - Developer: Miami Worldcenter Associates LLC - GC: BDI Construction Company

12. 930 NE 1st Avenue | Legacy Hotel & Residences - Developer: Royal Palm Companies - 51 stories, 690-feet. Architect: Kobi Karp Architecture & Interior Design. GC: Moss & Associates (Construction)

13. 1016 NE 2nd Avenue - Developer: Abbhi Capital - plans have not been disclosed for the 2.2-acre assemblage.

14 & 15. 20 + 90 NE 11th Street | E11VEN Hotel & Residences + E11EVEN Residences Beyond - Developer: Property Markets Group & E11EVEN MIAMI - 65 + 65 stories, 699-feet.

16. Signature Bridge - Owner: Florida Department of Transportation GC: The Walsh Group - Walsh Construction & Archer Western. Architect: RS&H

17. 1370 NE 1st Avenue | Casa Forma - Developer: Crescent Heights - 55 stories. Architect: Rafael Viñoly Architects
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Seriously . . . who lives in all these Miami towers which no one who actually lives and works in Miami can afford?

It'd be a real bummer if a majority of these units are empty most of the time due to absentee ownership.
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Seriously . . . who lives in all these Miami towers which no one who actually lives and works in Miami can afford?

It'd be a real bummer if a majority of these units are empty most of the time due to absentee ownership.




Well.. for us skyscraper fans, Miami does get the people going. Speaking of skyscrapers, good news on Waldorf Astoria, a super tall. Equipment on site and movement!
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Seriously . . . who lives in all these Miami towers which no one who actually lives and works in Miami can afford?

It'd be a real bummer if a majority of these units are empty most of the time due to absentee ownership.
I was in Miami last month. Driving out of downtown at 10 pm most of the condo towers were dark. One literally had two lights on in the entire 50 story building.
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Brickell is always full of people for most of the day, (especially brickell city centre) with wynwood and other popular neighborhoods developing a growing population. Downtown MIA and edgewater I'm not too sure about, but with the recent boom in development there I'm sure it's becoming lively. The problem with condo occupancy is really outlined if you visit Sunny Isles Beach. It's like a mini Dubai, with 10+ 500+ FT towers lining the bay with most of the towers not even close to being full. Many buyers in the Sunny Isles market buy condos as a second home.

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Apartment building occupancy in downtown Miami declined to 87% in 2020 but it bounced back to 93% by mid-2021. Meanwhile, rent has increased at least 10% over the past year.
There’s been plenty of apartment construction in greater downtown Miami, so having a high occupancy level shows those new buildings have no problem attracting tenants. From 2017 to 2020, over 16,200 new apartments were delivered, representing a 55% increase in total inventory. The DDA says 5,899 apartments are under construction now and more than 30,000 are proposed.
While the lack of workforce and affordable housing is an issue, Cervera said that can best be addressed by building more low-cost housing near mass transit hubs that lead into downtown Miami. That will be easier than building workforce housing in downtown Miami, where land is more expensive.

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The median rent of a 1 bedroom in Brickell is at $3300/month so someone is renting them.
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I think NYC is in the process of fixing it's busted tax policy where these condos pay almost nothing relatively in property taxes. That is what birthed most of the supertalls. If that happens (which we should all hope it should) supertall construction will slow down dramatically.
BY 'fixing' NYC property taxes, the overall taxes on condos should actually go down. Right now, NYC classifies condos as commercial property and not residential for tax purposes, even if that is your primary residence.
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Core Seattle is up there. Although I believe it has slowed lately compared to what it was say 4-5 years ago.

Per Emporis, 18 u/c with 77 planned. The city has 322 high rises and 126 skyscrapers. These numbers do expand though if you include the other cities in the metro like Bellevue.

CTBUH states 22 towers 150m+ complete. Eight tallest city in the U.S..
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BY 'fixing' NYC property taxes, the overall taxes on condos should actually go down. Right now, NYC classifies condos as commercial property and not residential for tax purposes, even if that is your primary residence.
Right. Condos in NYC pay insanely high property taxes relative to coops and SFHs. Every residential supertall in NYC is a condo. Hell, there hasn't been a market-rate coop built in NYC in years, I don't think.

If property tax reform ever goes through, property taxes will drop for superluxury housing. It should, if anything, boost supertall housing construction, which currently subsidizes SFHs and coops.
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Might as well include Bellevue, WA as a follow up to post #118. Which for a small satellite, is doing quite well.

* 56th tallest city in the U.S..
* 7 u/c (skyscraper or high rise)
* 20 planned

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Bellevue 600 182.9 m / 600 ft U/C
555 108th Avenue NE 182.9 m / 600 ft U/C
400 Lincoln Square 139.4 m / 457 ft
500 Lincoln Square 139 m / 456 ft
Bellevue Towers Two 137.2 m / 450 ft
One Lincoln Tower 137.2 m / 450 ft
Bellevue Towers One 131.1 m / 430 ft
Eddie Bauer at Lincoln Square 125.6 m / 412 ft
City Center East 109.7 m / 360 ft
City Center 109.1 m / 358 ft
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