Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Also at the Northshore, this druggie zombie who attacked a lawyer won't be getting a criminal record: another one of those addict-turned-mental example:

Violent Seawalk assault on stranger won't net criminal record
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-ne...tranger-wont-net-criminal-record-5406902
Xie “rushed towards Mr. Shields, and punched him in the head twice with a closed fist, knocking him to the ground,” said Lee, then continued to punch and kick Shields in the head and body, while shouting that he “was racist.”
Xie stopped briefly, then resumed “repeatedly hitting and kicking him while he lay on the ground,” said Lee. “He was shouting that he was God and Mr. Shields was racist.”
Shields suffered a broken finger, cuts, bruises and broken teeth that required significant dental work as a result of the attack, said the prosecutor.

We should be seeing more of such attacks considering so many "sympathizers" of these people in Vancouver.

[GenWhy?]

Vin, as someone who has bi-polar and schizophrenic family members that have lapsed in their medications in the past, re-read the article please.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Vin, as someone who has bi-polar and schizophrenic family members that have lapsed in their medications in the past, re-read the article please.

Sadly, even if he read it several more times it's unlikely Vin will understand anything more. He's ignored any number of comments here over the years explaining how not everybody who exhibits anti-social behaviour is necessarily a drug addict, or necessarily using drugs.

He has no interest in understanding the various types of mental illness, and how they might manifest. He doesn't care to understand that they might use street drugs as self-medication sometimes, which doesn't necessarily lead to addiction. You can tell that because he apparently delights in calling Ming Xie a "druggie zombie", although there's nothing in the article to suggest that street drugs were in any way associated with the attack. The opposite is true, Ming Xie should have been using prescription drugs, but at the time wasn't. That's often the case with both schizophrenia and bi-polar patients; they 'feel better' because their medications are working, so stop taking them, and don't realise that they're relapsing and shouldn't have stopped treatment.

[WarrenC12]

Vin doesn't understand the most basic concepts of real estate development and urban issues all over this forum.

You can't possible expect him to understand anything more nuanced like mental health.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Vin, as someone who has bi-polar and schizophrenic family members that have lapsed in their medications in the past, re-read the article please.

Do you know drugs can cause or worsen the situation, and make normal or even sick people become violent? I think people are not told enough, or maybe you are simply refusing to listen.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Sadly, even if he read it several more times it's unlikely Vin will understand anything more. He's ignored any number of comments here over the years explaining how not everybody who exhibits anti-social behaviour is necessarily a drug addict, or necessarily using drugs.

He has no interest in understanding the various types of mental illness, and how they might manifest. He doesn't care to understand that they might use street drugs as self-medication sometimes, which doesn't necessarily lead to addiction. You can tell that because he apparently delights in calling Ming Xie a "druggie zombie", although there's nothing in the article to suggest that street drugs were in any way associated with the attack. The opposite is true, Ming Xie should have been using prescription drugs, but at the time wasn't. That's often the case with both schizophrenia and bi-polar patients; they 'feel better' because their medications are working, so stop taking them, and don't realise that they're relapsing and shouldn't have stopped treatment.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Vin doesn't understand the most basic concepts of real estate development and urban issues all over this forum.

You can't possible expect him to understand anything more nuanced like mental health.

Says the person who is one of the enablers of the rot in this City.

[dreambrother808]

In fact you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anything of value that Vin has added to a conversation here.

As for being found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder, it’s the kind of topic that brings up spasms of public ignorance, when in reality it’s very rare and certainly not the free pass many think it is.

NCRMD, unlike a regular jail sentence, has no set time limit. These defendants are more likely to be detained and usually spend longer in custody than those found criminally responsible for similar offences. They go into forensic psychiatric care where clinicians can treat them rather than just throwing them in a jail cell. It’s the better option all around, that better protects the communities being served.

[Vin]

Even the highly-paid CEO of BC Housing is quitting with the horrors unfolding in this City....

BC Housing CEO quits abruptly after claiming threats made against him
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-news/bc-housing-ceo-shayne-ramsay-quits-5650040
He lists a recent shooting on Hastings, a woman being set on fire in the DTES, and the recent heatwave as evidence that he can "no longer have confidence I can solve the complex problems facing us at BC Housing."

But that's OK. We are still very safe!

[Vin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

In fact you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anything of value that Vin has added to a conversation here.

As for being found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder, it’s the kind of topic that brings up spasms of public ignorance, when in reality it’s very rare and certainly not the free pass many think it is.

NCRMD, unlike a regular jail sentence, has no set time limit. These defendants are more likely to be detained and usually spend longer in custody than those found criminally responsible for similar offences. They go into forensic psychiatric care where clinicians can treat them rather than just throwing them in a jail cell. It’s the better option all around, that better protects the communities being served.

my foot.

VPD: mental health contributing factor in 73 per cent of ‘stranger assaults’ in Vancouver
Four unprovoked assaults every day in Vancouver
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...r-stranger-assaults-vancouver-bc-5599640

If you think what we have is working, something is also seriously wrong with your head.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Even the highly-paid CEO of BC Housing is quitting with the horrors unfolding in this City....

But that's OK. We are still very safe!

Actually, he specifically says the shooting on Hastings Street was one factor what finally decided him to retire. (That's the shooting by the police, obviously).

He also talks about the murders of homeless and formerly homeless people, and the attack on him after the Arbutus BC Housing project public hearing (including the threat of physical violence) being a factor.

He says "From the Interior to the West Side doubtless small but vocal groups of people are increasingly angry and increasingly volatile. While one community faces the almost certain prospect of poverty, poor health, and pre-mature death, others are now unwilling to provide a welcoming space, a space that could save lives".

That you think his resignation supports your intolerant rhetoric supports Warren's comment above.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Sadly, even if he read it several more times it's unlikely Vin will understand anything more. He's ignored any number of comments here over the years explaining how not everybody who exhibits anti-social behaviour is necessarily a drug addict, or necessarily using drugs.

He has no interest in understanding the various types of mental illness, and how they might manifest. He doesn't care to understand that they might use street drugs as self-medication sometimes, which doesn't necessarily lead to addiction. You can tell that because he apparently delights in calling Ming Xie a "druggie zombie", although there's nothing in the article to suggest that street drugs were in any way associated with the attack. The opposite is true, Ming Xie should have been using prescription drugs, but at the time wasn't. That's often the case with both schizophrenia and bi-polar patients; they 'feel better' because their medications are working, so stop taking them, and don't realise that they're relapsing and shouldn't have stopped treatment.

In our experience as a family drugs were used as a coping mechanism prior to being diagnosed, or between various medications for treatment. I don't know how many different varieties of medication my cousin has been on to find out what works for him best. Many made him feel worse in many ways, so he stopped taking it.

Taking medication to alter your known reality, to that of what we know as "true" reality is a feat of mental strength unto itself. He had violent outbursts here and there (police called a few times) and gets agitated with social anxiety from time to time when in a group and knows when to leave, most times. Is fixed on white supremacy recently no thanks to a bigoted uncle. He can't hold a full-time job or any job most of the time. He's been fairly stable his whole life but damn is that a fine line.

Friend and aunt with bi-polar have fared so much better, but still lots of battles.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by Vin

Everyone feels dafe hiding behind the shield of a bus window. Try walking there
on those sidewalks every single day.



You wouldn't be saying that if you were the officer being stabbed on the head.



Like your fake sympathy has done anything for those people in the DTES. Out of sight, out of mind and let them rot there is more in line with what you are supporting.

My "fake sympathy" is an appeal to not using degrading language to refer to human beings. They aren't "zombies", they're human beings.
Use language that isn't so goddamn loaded and I won't call you out for it.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Vin

my foot.

VPD: mental health contributing factor in 73 per cent of ‘stranger assaults’ in Vancouver
Four unprovoked assaults every day in Vancouver
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...r-stranger-assaults-vancouver-bc-5599640

If you think what we have is working, something is also seriously wrong with your head.

This does not refute what I posted.

Obviously you don’t have the faintest idea what NCRMD is, how it works, and worst of all, as per usual you have no interest in learning anything.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Actually, he specifically says the shooting on Hastings Street was one factor what finally decided him to retire. (That's the shooting by the police, obviously).

He also talks about the murders of homeless and formerly homeless people, and the attack on him after the Arbutus BC Housing project public hearing (including the threat of physical violence) being a factor.

He says "From the Interior to the West Side doubtless small but vocal groups of people are increasingly angry and increasingly volatile. While one community faces the almost certain prospect of poverty, poor health, and pre-mature death, others are now unwilling to provide a welcoming space, a space that could save lives".

That you think his resignation supports your intolerant rhetoric supports Warren's comment above.

Uh-huh. And are we sure it had nothing to do with the government review by Ernst & Young and the dismissal of half the board last month?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Uh-huh. And are we sure it had nothing to do with the government review by Ernst & Young and the dismissal of half the board last month?

Well, if you believed that, you'd be suggesting that Shane Ramsay is a liar. You might be right that the Ernst & Young report was another minor factor in why he retired - but not in the way you're implying, but rather because he had to deal with a report that was apparently a piece of garbage. (Not that this has much to do with the thread's topic).

[Migrant_Coconut]

Without picking a side, it's definitely good that Atira can't hide behind the CEO's husband for protection anymore. Maybe now we can get some improvement in shelter quality.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

My "fake sympathy" is an appeal to not using degrading language to refer to human beings.

Fortunately the zombie only stabbed the officer, since if he would have used hurtful language instead, now that would have REALLY hurt the officer! At least there is one silver lining in all of this.

Then again, Mr. Xie did both use violence AND hurtful language ("racist") and it turned out everyone was singing kumbaya in the court room! What a happy ending and nobody got hurt. Wait.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Uh-huh. And are we sure it had nothing to do with the government review by Ernst & Young and the dismissal of half the board last month?

I was going to say... This resignation is as fake as it gets!

Maybe Prime Minister Eby will hire an old friend to milk more taxpayer money? Wouldn't have me surprised!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Well, if you believed that, you'd be suggesting that Shane Ramsay is a liar. You might be right that the Ernst & Young report was another minor factor in why he retired - but not in the way you're implying, but rather because he had to deal with a report that was apparently a piece of garbage. (Not that this has much to do with the thread's topic).

So, you're saying that even the demoralizing effect of the report might not have lead him to quit? Though relying on an opinion piece by a city official retired for 12 years seems odd, as does his conclusion an NDP gov't would want to offload social housing to the city which would contradict their MO in almost every other field.

As to "having much to do with this thread", surely you're not arguing that social housing (or lack of it) has nothing to do with the rising public disorder?

[WarrenC12]

Of course his retirement is because the new board was going to fire him. Timing is everything. The guy has been there 22 years and now he leaves?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

My "fake sympathy" is an appeal to not using degrading language to refer to human beings. They aren't "zombies", they're human beings.
Use language that isn't so goddamn loaded and I won't call you out for it.

Apologies if I did offend you and will try to tone it down.

However, I won't apologize for using degrading language on those who assault or use violence against other people. Name-calling is certainly the least of what they deserve.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Actually, he specifically says the shooting on Hastings Street was one factor what finally decided him to retire. (That's the shooting by the police, obviously).

He also talks about the murders of homeless and formerly homeless people, and the attack on him after the Arbutus BC Housing project public hearing (including the threat of physical violence) being a factor.

He says "From the Interior to the West Side doubtless small but vocal groups of people are increasingly angry and increasingly volatile. While one community faces the almost certain prospect of poverty, poor health, and pre-mature death, others are now unwilling to provide a welcoming space, a space that could save lives".

That you think his resignation supports your intolerant rhetoric supports Warren's comment above.

So you are saying that he sympathizes with the homeless who turn violent and stab police, or assault other people, and yet can do nothing to house or help rehabilitate them despite being paid with a fat CEO cheque every single month? Then I wonder what he is useful for. Let's be clear about this: he IS part of the problem, and a major one too. The DTES will not be affected by him leaving or staying. No wonder people are angry with him.