Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

It's been a long wait, but we can now say that Vancouver's on the same level as New York City, London, Paris, Hong Kong and Shanghai with a straight face.

Wouldn't this incident put us closer to Philadelphia, Chicago or Cleveland?

[Klazu]

A violent zombie randomly stabs a police officer in the head, causing the officer serious injury, and idiot activists are on news crying how it's the police presence that is making their ghetto a more scary place to live. These imbecile professional crime apologists have melted their brains even worse than the zombies roaming the streets.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Wouldn't this incident put us closer to Philadelphia, Chicago or Cleveland?

Don't forget Singapore and Tokyo - not so safe after all, I guess.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Klazu

A violent zombie randomly stabs a police officer in the head, causing the officer serious injury, and idiot activists are on news crying how it's the police presence that is making their ghetto a more scary place to live. These imbecile professional crime apologists have melted their brains even worse than the zombies roaming the streets.

Care to share a link? The only local I saw quoted on Global was passing through in her car, and questioned why it was necessary to shoot the alleged attacker, rather than deploy a taser or use non-lethal projectiles (the guns that look like a shotgun fire rubber bullets). Her question seemed reasonable, given the number of people around, and the potential for somebody else in the area getting shot accidentaly.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Care to share a link? The only local I saw quoted on Global was passing through in her car, and questioned why it was necessary to shoot the alleged attacker, rather than deploy a taser or use non-lethal projectiles (the guns that look like a shotgun fire rubber bullets). Her question seemed reasonable, given the number of people around, and the potential for somebody else in the area getting shot accidentaly.

The police are supposed to de-escalate conflicts, and not bring guns to a knife fight.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

The police are supposed to de-escalate conflicts, and not bring guns to a knife fight.

Being struck on the head with possible lethal force at close range? They'd be totally justified in shooting. The officer is reportedly in hospital with a serious head injury.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Right, but depending on the situation you can also taze him like the Mounties at YVR. That guy didn't even have a knife.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by whatnext

They'd be totally justified in shooting.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

The police have a lot of tools in their kit that range from doing nothing to shooting with live bullets. I think something within that spectrum could have done the trick.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

The police have a lot of tools in their kit that range from doing nothing to shooting with live bullets. I think something within that spectrum could have done the trick.

We have no idea what the exact conditions were that lead to this individual being shot. It could be the case that a cop wanted a bit of revenge after being cut and decided to be Judge Dredd, but it also could be the case that the assailant was going for the bayonet charge on an innocent bystander and needed to be dropped immediately. Believe it or not, there is a reason cops carry firearms. Sometimes a situation needs to be deescalated as rapidly as possible and a taser isn't always going to stop someone ready to end someone else's life. Sometimes deesculation means someone has to die. It's a shitty call, but sometimes it has to be done.

I don't think it's worth speculating whether these were hero cops or evil pigs. There will probably be an investigation and a verdict and if we're lucky some details might come out. Maybe let's wait before baseless speculation from both sides here.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Right, but depending on the situation you can also taze him like the Mounties at YVR. That guy didn't even have a knife.

According to this they did try to taser him:
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/01/vancouver-charges-assault-police-shooting/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

According to this they did try to taser him:
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/01/vancouver-charges-assault-police-shooting/

The anti-cop twitter reaction was brutal on this. They should be ashamed (but won't).

The police have shown they aren't above abusing their power, but a quick judgement either way just makes people look stupid.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Being struck on the head with possible lethal force at close range? They'd be totally justified in shooting. The officer is reportedly in hospital with a serious head injury.

Now, now. OBVIOUSLY our resident armchair besserwissers and crime apologists, who were nowhere near the scene, still know best what should have happened when your partner is out of blue stabbed to the head next to you. The amount of mental gymnastics some people go through to defend criminal filth is unglaublich!

Considering how violent ghetto DTES has become, the police has all the reasons to pull the trigger way more often than they do. It is unbelievable how anyone has the mental energy to put themselves in danger daily with these zombies.

Has Canada Post already resumed delivery in the ghetto?

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The anti-cop twitter reaction was brutal on this. They should be ashamed (but won't).

The police have shown they aren't above abusing their power, but a quick judgement either way just makes people look stupid.

If I'm totally out to lunch and someone's life was in eminent danger, I will happily eat my words. And if four gunshots were required to resolve the conflict so be it. But I don't know how anyone could blame me or anyone else for being skeptical that a police officer's use of force was totally justified.

Will the police watchdog's report be made public?

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Considering how violent ghetto DTES has become, the police has all the reasons to pull the trigger way more often than they do. It is unbelievable how anyone has the mental energy to put themselves in danger daily with these zombies.

Some would say that putting oneself in harm's way is part of a police officer's job description. And that restraint is perhaps the most important attribute for anyone in power.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Has Canada Post already resumed delivery in the ghetto?

Three months ago.

And in other news OPS and the DTES Market collected garbage yesterday from people on the street. City Engineering picked it up.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Now, now. OBVIOUSLY our resident armchair besserwissers and crime apologists, who were nowhere near the scene, still know best what should have happened when your partner is out of blue stabbed to the head next to you. The amount of mental gymnastics some people go through to defend criminal filth is unglaublich!

Considering how violent ghetto DTES has become, the police has all the reasons to pull the trigger way more often than they do. It is unbelievable how anyone has the mental energy to put themselves in danger daily with these zombies.

Has Canada Post already resumed delivery in the ghetto?

Calling human beings "zombies" is utterly sickening, wtf is literally wrong with you?

You and Vin this entire thread have shown a propensity for hatred and desire to harm these people.

Have some goddamn empathy, jesus fucking christ.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Now, now. OBVIOUSLY our resident armchair besserwissers and crime apologists, who were nowhere near the scene, still know best what should have happened when your partner is out of blue stabbed to the head next to you. The amount of mental gymnastics some people go through to defend criminal filth is unglaublich!

And yet you, who was also nowhere near the scene, knows what is best? And best is whatever vents your emotions upon these genuinely frustrating and complicated situations?

"It's not complicated, just shoot!" doesn't require a lot of mental gymnastics, nor maturity, nor considerate thought.

[NewfBC]

Guy is stabbing people including a police office in the head...

Other police officer.. "hang on a minute.. I'll run and get the rubber bullet gun..."

Yeah.. right.

Ron.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I have only ever encountered "violence" once in the DTES.

I used to bus daily through the area, and one day as we turned the corner of Main and Pender there was a group of (I assume) international students looking through the window and pointing. The window got a yogurt cup thrown at it.

Scary? Maybe. Dangerous? Kind of pushing it.

Everyone feels dafe hiding behind the shield of a bus window. Try walking there
on those sidewalks every single day.

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

And yet you, who was also nowhere near the scene, knows what is best? And best is whatever vents your emotions upon these genuinely frustrating and complicated situations?

"It's not complicated, just shoot!" doesn't require a lot of mental gymnastics, nor maturity, nor considerate thought.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were the officer being stabbed on the head.

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Calling human beings "zombies" is utterly sickening, wtf is literally wrong with you?

You and Vin this entire thread have shown a propensity for hatred and desire to harm these people.

Have some goddamn empathy, jesus fucking christ.

Like your fake sympathy has done anything for those people in the DTES. Out of sight, out of mind and let them rot there is more in line with what you are supporting.

[Vin]

Over in North Vancouver - another Vancouver zombie going berserk:

Vancouver man charged in assault of homeless man in West Van
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-ne...spect-who-assaulted-homeless-man-5481663
Police arrested Olson days after seeking public help in identifying the suspect captured on a surveillance camera.

Finally, this zombie isn't released after his arrest.