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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 10:14 PM
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But that said, everywhere else supposedly has these social problems too. So why are we one of the only places in Canada that has a downtown and inner city that feels like a wasteland in large parts? You go to Calgary or Regina and it's a different story. You go to Victoria and there is a block or two of Pandora that's rough but the rest of downtown is fine. Why is the problem an order of magnitude worse here?
Here’s the cold hard truth the problem is an order magnitude worse here because we’ve been treating Indigenous people as second class citizens of Canada since at least 1867. Winnipeg has by far the largest Indigenous population in the country so the effects of this prejudice and discrimination are amplified here like no other place in Canada.

Regina has similar problems, and Edmonton is in just as bad of a predicament as we are. Either way the underlying issues to solve such a complex issue requires a collaboration from all 3 levels of government. However, the municipality must be the leader which is why it’s crucial this election is won by someone who is able to bring these different levels of government together like Murray was able too in the past.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Why is the situation so much more pronounced and visible here than just about anywhere else in Canada.

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That's a very very easy one to answer. But you won't like it.

We have the highest aboriginal population in the country living in this city. No where else in Canada is there a massive influx of people who were abused in the reserves or alcohol syndrome or drug abuse, family abuse, the list goes on and on.

In the 1980's Winnipeg had maybe 1/5 the population of Aboriginal peoples. Back then the issues were really just on the reserves. Now they are on the reserves and here. Alot of the Aboriginal people come here to escape reserve life and it isn't much better. As families are addicted to whatever substance you like. And even some are removed from the reserves. Hence you have some very clean dry reserves now prospering.

To be very honest it isn't as easy as just building homes or having someone to talk to. This is a serious issue that NEEDS to be dealt with the Feds/ Prov / City and especially our Native Peoples.

I'm sure we can get some ideas just by talking to some of the Elder's in our Native community and what they would do. After we do that then look at costs to do it. Not before as that seems how we have been doing it. We need to stop doing this like we always have been and start doing it from a Aboriginal standpoint.

Yes yes there's are addicts from all nations and colours and genders etc etc. But the majority are Aboriginal.

And don't go calling me racist. I'm half Aboriginal. And I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm saying we need a better plan and from my perspective it's doing things in a more native traditional way.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 10:31 PM
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I'm saying we need a better plan and from my perspective it's doing things in a more native traditional way.
I've seen ripples of it over the past little while, but hopefully organizations like MMF and the Southern Chiefs are welcomed into the municipal decision making process on issues related to creating and providing supports that will disproportionately impact Indigenous people in the City.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 11:33 PM
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Here’s the cold hard truth the problem is an order magnitude worse here because we’ve been treating Indigenous people as second class citizens of Canada since at least 1867. Winnipeg has by far the largest Indigenous population in the country so the effects of this prejudice and discrimination are amplified here like no other place in Canada.

Regina has similar problems, and Edmonton is in just as bad of a predicament as we are. Either way the underlying issues to solve such a complex issue requires a collaboration from all 3 levels of government. However, the municipality must be the leader which is why it’s crucial this election is won by someone who is able to bring these different levels of government together like Murray was able too in the past.
That is true but Regina Saskatoon and Edmontons downtowns feel much more vibrant and well taken care of in comparison even though we all have very similar demographics and poverty + historical injustice to overcome.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2022, 12:08 AM
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That's a very very easy one to answer. But you won't like it.

We have the highest aboriginal population in the country living in this city. No where else in Canada is there a massive influx of people who were abused in the reserves or alcohol syndrome or drug abuse, family abuse, the list goes on and on.

In the 1980's Winnipeg had maybe 1/5 the population of Aboriginal peoples. Back then the issues were really just on the reserves. Now they are on the reserves and here. Alot of the Aboriginal people come here to escape reserve life and it isn't much better. As families are addicted to whatever substance you like. And even some are removed from the reserves. Hence you have some very clean dry reserves now prospering.

To be very honest it isn't as easy as just building homes or having someone to talk to. This is a serious issue that NEEDS to be dealt with the Feds/ Prov / City and especially our Native Peoples.

I'm sure we can get some ideas just by talking to some of the Elder's in our Native community and what they would do. After we do that then look at costs to do it. Not before as that seems how we have been doing it. We need to stop doing this like we always have been and start doing it from a Aboriginal standpoint.

Yes yes there's are addicts from all nations and colours and genders etc etc. But the majority are Aboriginal.

And don't go calling me racist. I'm half Aboriginal. And I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm saying we need a better plan and from my perspective it's doing things in a more native traditional way.
Some of the First Nations are still corrupt. 23 years ago (and I don't think things have changed for the better) on the bus route I was driving I had a regular passenger who was First Nations from a reserve about an hour and a half north east of Winnipeg. She had 2 children and was using the resources given by the band to put herself through nursing school. Amazing lady.

But, she told me the hard truth. Once they turned 18 they didn't care what happened to them. They were given their university money and many were just dropped off at Higgins and Main, to waste away as a problem for the City.

Sure, a lot of the addictions problems in Winnipeg are home grown, but a lot of it is coming in and multiplying from the reserves. To fix the problem at home we also need to fix the problems on the reserves, and that's much trickier.
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That's a very very easy one to answer. But you won't like it.

We have the highest aboriginal population in the country living in this city. No where else in Canada is there a massive influx of people who were abused in the reserves or alcohol syndrome or drug abuse, family abuse, the list goes on and on.

In the 1980's Winnipeg had maybe 1/5 the population of Aboriginal peoples. Back then the issues were really just on the reserves. Now they are on the reserves and here. Alot of the Aboriginal people come here to escape reserve life and it isn't much better. As families are addicted to whatever substance you like. And even some are removed from the reserves. Hence you have some very clean dry reserves now prospering.

To be very honest it isn't as easy as just building homes or having someone to talk to. This is a serious issue that NEEDS to be dealt with the Feds/ Prov / City and especially our Native Peoples.

I'm sure we can get some ideas just by talking to some of the Elder's in our Native community and what they would do. After we do that then look at costs to do it. Not before as that seems how we have been doing it. We need to stop doing this like we always have been and start doing it from a Aboriginal standpoint.

Yes yes there's are addicts from all nations and colours and genders etc etc. But the majority are Aboriginal.

And don't go calling me racist. I'm half Aboriginal. And I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm saying we need a better plan and from my perspective it's doing things in a more native traditional way.
FASD rates are as high as 40% on some reserves. These individuals often get banned from the reserves because of their behaviours, criminal and otherwise and then they end up in the city. Until someone starts talking about this and how the numbers still keep rising, the situation is hopeless. And generally speaking, people with FASD do not work, ever.

By the way, over 400 people died of overdose in this city last year, a record by far. Yeah, it's that bad.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2022, 1:37 PM
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That is true but Regina Saskatoon and Edmontons downtowns feel much more vibrant and well taken care of in comparison even though we all have very similar demographics and poverty + historical injustice to overcome.
That's what gets me. Yes, we know that western cities are where failed Government of Canada policies over the last 150+ years are now coming home to roost. Lord knows Edmonton, Saskatoon, etc. have their challenges too. But the scale of the problem just seems so much bigger in Winnipeg. After a couple of years of being a pandemic shut in, getting out and travelling again through BC, Alberta and Sask this year made me realize how much worse the situation is here compared to the neighbouring provinces. I thought they'd all be clobbered as hard as we were but I didn't see any signs of that... there is a busy thread in the BC subforum devoted to public disorder in Vancouver... all I can say is that I hope we can some day achieve what passes for 'public disorder' in Vancouver. It practically looked like Zurich compared to Winnipeg.

Anyway, I'm not saying this to slam Winnipeg or its residents. I'm just saddened by what I'm seeing. I'd love for things to improve so that everyone here can enjoy a better life and take advantage of what a city this size should offer.
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Common theme...the next Mayor must be the adult in the room and work with province, feds, social agencies AND First Nations to get a handle on this. Bold solutions before it gets completely out of control. Everyone -including those at risk - must have the opportunity to live a dignified life. At the same time, those operating businesses, raising families, going to school, riding a bus and enjoying parks, must not only feel safe, but be safe (Note story in FP this morning) and have the opportunity live and prosper. Of course, should the NDP win the next Provincial Election (a likely scenario), I suspect our Premier will take and active interest in this issue as well.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2022, 2:27 PM
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Gillingham set to announce his housing plan this afternoon. I have yet to see Motkaluk announce any policy plans at all and her Twitter following is less than 1000 people not sure what her campaign is trying to do other than her stupid catch phrase "let's get to it"
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Are you really that unaware? Can you not connect dots?
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6455608
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4432644
Look who is super pissed off.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2022, 3:13 PM
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This entire city and province are so corrupt it’s not even funny. The mafia built our city’s police headquarters for fuck sakes. Like… how much more corrupt can you get?? S+J built true north square too, and the company is still being awarded provincial contracts. How? It’s pretty much common knowledge that a large chunk of Winnipeg home builders are all mafia run.
This goes right up to the top, we’re probably worse than Montreal ever was for construction industry corruption but nobody cares. Just imagine motkaluk in the mayors chair. Free reign to pad her families and friends pockets. It’ll be worse than Sam Katz.
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I've seen ripples of it over the past little while, but hopefully organizations like MMF and the Southern Chiefs are welcomed into the municipal decision making process on issues related to creating and providing supports that will disproportionately impact Indigenous people in the City.
City Indigenous groups’ $620-M plan includes hospital, via WFP:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/...-m-plan-includes-hospital-576632492.html
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It appears the social problems in Winnipeg are starting to seep into the Forks. Two assaults/stabbings in the last few days.
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Gillingham promising to setup 6 modular housing sites for a total of 270 units for the homeless. His program would be a copy of what the city of Toronto does he said. It's something atleast I will give him credit for that its an improvement of what his buddy Bowman has failed to tackle.
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BUILD MODULAR HOUSING FOR HOMELESS: GILLINGHAM

(Winnipeg) - To provide safe, supportive housing for homeless people struggling with mental health and addiction challenges, mayoral candidate Scott Gillingham proposes to copy modular ‘rapid housing’ programs in Toronto, Vancouver and Surrey – and committed he would secure Council pre-approval for six modular housing sites on city land, sufficient to provide 270 units of safe housing.

“Winnipeg is already building homes using federal Rapid Housing fund dollars,” he said, noting that non-profit and indigenous groups are already building 136 units on a similar model. Gillingham helped to secure temporary City staff to support this “Rapid Housing” effort in the 2022 budget.

“Speed is critical,” said Gillingham. “We need to accelerate it, pre-approving a pipeline of housing sites so we’re ready to build more when $1.5b in Phase III of Rapid Housing funds are available from this year’s federal budget, and from any follow-up funding.”

Under Gillingham’s proposed copy of Toronto’s approach:

• The City would waive permit costs, property tax and land costs while pre-approving zoning for modular construction on six designated city-owned or acquired sites;

• The City would access its share of federal Rapid Housing funds, or other CMHC funds if necessary, financing the capital cost of modular housing construction;

• Provincial programs would be engaged for “wrap-around” social services to each site; and

• Ownership and operation of each completed site would be transferred to non-profits and indigenous housing organizations through an RFP process.

In other cities, this approach typically means completion of new supportive housing for the homeless within 8-12 months of site approval. But Gillingham noted that “site approvals are the tough part,” so he is committing to lead Council to find and pre-approve six sites by year-end 2023.

Proposed sites will be selected for minimal conflicts to outflank potential legal delays, and Council will conduct the selection in committee-of-the-whole to maximize transparency. 270 new units represents a realistic construction pipeline if federal funding continues at the current speed. It is larger per-capita than Toronto’s current 1000-unit program goal.

Gillingham spoke today in view of a City-owned lot for sale on Alexander Avenue in the city’s Centennial neighbourhood, beside an existing Manitoba Housing site, with sufficient lot space on both sites to accommodate modular housing. “Other provinces are cooperating with these programs by providing wrap-around social and health services,” he said. “As Mayor, I will work with the Manitoba government to ensure we cooperate on this approach, with what we’ve seen from governments in B.C. and Ontario.”

“To build a stronger, safer city,” Gillingham said, “we need to bring people who need help into places where they can safely access that help, and where help can safely access them.”

This is Gillingham’s second announcement with positive action on homelessness since the campaign began. On June 1, he committed to expand a City program offering 24/7 safe spaces to provide temporary shelter assistance. Further announcements will be forthcoming over the next several days

https://www.facebook.com/ScottGillingham...BTegnRZ1CUDhRowvuDJ2hmc91qezyD6ChKNwZWHl
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Modular ghettos.

I am on board, provided the Waverley West area, Sage Creek, and Tuxedo are all guaranteed at least one ghetto each.
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Modular ghettos.

I am on board, provided the Waverley West area, Sage Creek, and Tuxedo are all guaranteed at least one ghetto each.
Unlikely. I am sure that in the planning process, great importance will placed on ensuring close proximity to much-needed health and social service supports.

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It will be interesting to see how the leading candidates address this. As noted in the article, they should pay close attention to this blue print. And is it just me or has candidate Murray been kind of quiet out of the gate?
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It will be interesting to see how the leading candidates address this. As noted in the article, they should pay close attention to this blue print. And is it just me or has candidate Murray been kind of quiet out of the gate?
He's been active and engaging on Twitter.
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Thx... I'll pay closer attention!
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