YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[ilikeredheads]

man, that 0830 return flight is gonna suck. You either waste an extra night in a hotel and wake up super early, or spend the night at the airport.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ya sweet liking the exotic Singapore, Thailand and Fiji additions from Vancouver!

Well, whether or not Singapore will stay haven't confirmed yet. SQ haven't update their winter schedule yet, and seems like YVR haven't been added to their regular routes and had been under review season by season.

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

man, that 0830 return flight is gonna suck. You either waste an extra night in a hotel and wake up super early, or spend the night at the airport.

Well, compared to an afternoon or evening arrival at BKK, you get a full day on the first day though.

[nname]

Also, seems like late night departure bank (10pm to 2am) now overtake the afternoon bank (12pm to 4pm) for being the busiest time for the international terminal?

By my rough calculation, there will be 51 weekly widebody departure (plus 7 narrowbody) for the afternoon bank, but will have 54 widebody (plus 16 narrowbody) for the late night bank.

The AC lounge and counter will definitely be much more busy late night after they move most international flights to late night...

08-10: 11x CUN/PVR/SJD/ZIH
10-12: 0x
12-14: 14x NRT/ICN (FRA/PEK)
14-16: 0x (HND)
16-18: 7x MEX
18-20: 10x LHR/DEL (AKL)
20-22: 0x
22-24: 30x HKG/SYD/BNE/AKL/BKK/PVG
24-02: 0x (TPE)
() = *A codeshare

[s211]

Originally Posted by nname

The AC lounge and counter will definitely be much more busy late night after they move most international flights to late night...

One will be glad that they've reinstated self-pours of liquor in the lounges then.

[ninjakafi_81]

Nothing too exciting but Vancouver - Osaka Kansai is returning next summer.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220622-acns23kix

Air Canada in Northern summer 2023 intends to resume Vancouver – Osaka Kansai service, based on preliminary schedule listing. For June 2023, the Star Alliance carrier tentatively files 4 weekly flights with Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, effective 02JUN23.

AC023 YVR1310 – 1605+1KIX 788 x246
AC024 KIX1740 – 1105YVR 788 x357

[zahav]

The BKK news is awesome, what a great add!

For inbound US connections to BKK, I am guessing they will be relying on some UA feeds? YVR used to have a tool on it's website where you could select where you were arriving from and where you were going, and on which airline, and it would tell you the process. I can't seem to find it now, but would US inbound pax connecting right onto the BKK flights need to clear customs or do anything, or do they go straight from their arrival gate to the international gate? Or do they need to go down into the arrivals hall and then back up? Some of those AC/*A arrivals are tight to connect to a 2300 departure to BKK aren't they? Ie.

SFO - Arrives 21:43
SFO - 21:20 (UA flight)
DEN - 21:10 (UA flight)
IAH - 21:40 (UA flight)
ORD - 17:29 (AC flight, too early)
ORD - 22:32 (UA flight, too late)
EWR - 21:15

Some are OK:
LAX - Arrives 20:49
SAC - 17:57 (a bit early, but not a huge flight for connections probably)
PDX - 16:55 so very early, and the latest arrival of the day. I feel like they need to readd a later evening arrival after the 4th daily was cut some time ago
SEA - 20:58
PSP - 19:17 (this isn't really a flight with many connections, mostly leisure, but still)

I wonder if AC will change any transborder flight times to better align with this? They really need to cooperate with UA to feed these flights and make them as successful as possible. Having the only non-stop from North America is a big opportunity, they need to funnel traffic in to make it really succeed. And some of those arrival times seem very tight for a connection if they have to clear customs in the same queues as everyone else

[nname]

If they can connect to the SYD/BNE/AKL flight at 2245, then they can definitely connect to BKK flight at 2300.

And yes, feeding New York passengers to the Australian flights was definitely one of the reason that 788/789 was used for the EWR flight.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

but would US inbound pax connecting right onto the BKK flights need to clear customs or do anything, or do they go straight from their arrival gate to the international gate? Or do they need to go down into the arrivals hall and then back up?

No need to clear customs. This is valid for US citizens or Thai citizens, since YVR has TWOV.

AC is a participating airline, and Thailand is one of the approved destinations, so even a Thai passport holder coming from the US and connecting onto BKK doesn't need to clear customs.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

I wonder if AC will change any transborder flight times to better align with this? They really need to cooperate with UA to feed these flights and make them as successful as possible. Having the only non-stop from North America is a big opportunity, they need to funnel traffic in to make it really succeed. And some of those arrival times seem very tight for a connection if they have to clear customs in the same queues as everyone else

UA has no skin in the game when it comes to this new route. Why would they cooperate with AC to feed the BKK flight? UA wants you to fly down to the States and catch a BKK bound flight from one of their hubs.

Dont forget, AC and UA only have a transatlantic joint venture, not a TPAC one. Also, they still don't have a transborder joint venture either, even though they've tried numerous times. So they can't cooperate whatsoever when it comes to this route, apart from a regular codeshare.

If AC wants better US feed for this flight, they need to do it themselves. The UA flights to YVR are timed to connect in/out of their own US hubs.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

UA has no skin in the game when it comes to this new route. Why would they cooperate with AC to feed the BKK flight? UA wants you to fly down to the States and catch a BKK bound flight from one of their hubs.

I don't believe there are currently any direct nonstop flights connecting the United States with Thailand. Who knows? It might even be one of the reasons that factored in AC's decision to fly to Bangkok.

[zahav]

There are no non-stops to BKK from any other NA airport. That's why I thought UA would cooperate with AC to feed the flights. I know there is no joint venture, but I thought UA and AC still worked cooperatively, and would time flights to make the most sense with connections. But sounds like the times they allowed are workable, so that's that. Can't wait till it starts up

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

Well, whether or not Singapore will stay haven't confirmed yet. SQ haven't update their winter schedule yet, and seems like YVR haven't been added to their regular routes and had been under review season by season.

I'd be shocked if it doesn't continue for the next 12 months at least. Whether it remains once AC can overfly Russia and the Chinese airports reopen is going to be the big test.

[zahav]

There are no flights available after October, so if they were going to extend it through winter I feel like they'd have done it already? But still hoping they return for next summer

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

I don't believe there are currently any direct nonstop flights connecting the United States with Thailand. Who knows? It might even be one of the reasons that factored in AC's decision to fly to Bangkok.

I wasn't implying there were. In fact, I said there weren't any other flights several pages ago. Simply pointing out that UA would rather you fly to BKK via their own metal to Asia first, and then connect to BKK somewhere in Japan, S. Korea or elsewhere.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'd be shocked if it doesn't continue for the next 12 months at least.

Why would you be shocked? Based on what?

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Whether it remains once AC can overfly Russia

Russia isn't opening up anytime soon.

This is the new iron curtain of sorts. Better get used to it. This will last 3-5 years at the minimum, probably more.

Originally Posted by zahav

There are no flights available after October, so if they were going to extend it through winter I feel like they'd have done it already?

indeed.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Why would you be shocked? Based on what?

Because of what I said after; Singapore is picking up the slack that the Chinese and Japanese airlines have not been able to fill. Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, and Cathay were all double daily or more pre Covid, and Xiamen, Sichuan, HKA, JAL and Beijing Capital all flying daily or sub daily. So that's roughly 16 daily flights that are no longer running or running at 1 or 2 PW and are now looking for new connection points. To me it seems to be Singapore is well positioned to be one of those points.

I took the flight round trip in March, and in addition to being great service, it was full both ways. We were PY on the way there and J on the way back and both were full, as was back of the bus when I went for my mid flight wander.

No idea if the yields are making it work, but the loads must be there.

[wabooba]

On another topic for the moment, does anybody think MEL might be brought back if/when COVID 19 there is brought under control? That city, as I understand, was hit very hard by the virus.
I had read earlier, that pre-COVID J class to Melbourne was doing well. It seems sort of a shame to think we've lost that route definitively, if that is the case.
Having three Australian destinations out of YVR was so cool while it lasted.

[SpongeG]

AIR CANADA RESUMES VANCOUVER – DELHI SERVICE IN OCT 2022

Air Canada in this week’s schedule update revised service resumption between Vancouver and Delhi. Previously scheduled to resume on 06SEP22 at earliest, the Star Alliance member is now scheduling 01OCT22 as first resumed flight.

From 01OCT22 to 25MAR23, AC will operate 3 weekly Vancouver – Dublin – Delhi – Vancouver routing, where Dublin is served as technical stop, instead of 1 daily Vancouver – Delhi nonstop in both directions. Boeing 787-9 aircraft is scheduled.

Following schedule is effective 08NOV22 – 11MAR23.

AC044 YVR1900 – 1140+1DUB1255+1 – 0345+2DEL 789 246
AC045 DEL0545 – 0730YVR 789 146

...

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220624-acnw22del

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Speaking of transcons, just read that B6 has cut BOS-YVR for the entire summer season.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-summer-2022-additional-cuts/

That’s okay that JetBlue cut Vancouver YVR - Boston BOS nonstop flights for Summer 2022.

As Air Canada YVR- BOS summer seasonal nonstop flights✈️ is operating.

At least YVR will still have flights to BOS from AC!

[Denscity]

Yes the Vancouver Boston flight flew over Castlegar just now in fact.

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by zahav

There are no flights available after October, so if they were going to extend it through winter I feel like they'd have done it already? But still hoping they return for next summer

Looks like it's been extended past October.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220630-sqnw22yvr

Singapore Airlines on Wednesday 29JUN22 opened reservation for Singapore – Vancouver service during Northern winter 2022/23 season, between 30OCT22 and 25MAR23. Previously the Star Alliance carrier only opened reservation for travel until 29OCT22 inclusive. A350-900XWB operates 3 weekly on this route.

Schedule below is effective 08NOV22 – 11MAR23.

SQ048 SIN0700 – 0515YVR 359 246
SQ047 YVR0735 – 162+1SIN 359 246