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Old Posted Jun 11, 2022, 10:04 PM
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Maybe? What if you get stuck in traffic, or a collision, or a flat, whatever…and that causes a miss? This is performing a manual connection and offers no itinerary protection. It’s the same as buying two different air tickets and manually patching an itinerary.

I lived in Montreal for years and have commuted back and forth literally thousands of times. I can’t tell you how many times my 2hr trip became 2.5 or 3 or more. So you give yourself extra buffer and there goes the “it’s only 1.5 hours difference ” argument.

Btw, since we’re talking travel duration preferences ever taken a 14+ hour flight in economy? Like an actual 14+, not a “I did 10 once so 14 is no biggie “. Murder. And I don’t disagree that 8+6 sucks…it’s a matter of sucking less.

Anyway, different strokes. Life’s short do what makes you happy.
Yeah I have gone back and forth dozens of times as well and never been delayed at all really. But ironically enough last night I had a flat tire I guess around Castleman and had to turn back to Ottawa. (downside of runflats and no spare). I mean that could happen in Ottawa too and would probably make me miss my flight as I like to cut it close in Ottawa but it does point out you are right about the extra risk.

Ottawa via US flights don't seem to be competitive on flight searches but the point redemptions are filled with them and you also avoid the fake Air Canada fees so are good value if pandemic filled your Aeroplan account.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2022, 3:06 PM
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Haven't checked the comments on here for about a week and a half so tried to speed read through everyone's comments to see what's going on. I see we're back to the whole driving for flights topic. I ask clients at my work which airport they are leaving from just out of curiosity because I see a lot of travellers. So many say they are driving to Montreal, SO MANY. Literally about 50% roughly say they are and I ask about 10-20 people per day. If that's a reflection of the bigger picture then YOW is really missing out. Imagine what our numbers would be if those people start at YOW. But airlines can't be stupid. They must know that people do this right? They can't be THAT oblivious? (actually asking).

On the US hub topic. If prices are similar, I would rather take United and connect in a US hub, especially if I am connecting to another US destination. Clearing US customs in YOW is so much more convenient than using my connection time in YYZ to go through customs. It's so stressful and I never feel like it's enough time. I'm always rushing to get to it in the first place. Could you imagine if your first flight is delayed on top of that? Also, YYZ is a disaster right now. Plus I would rather support United as apposed to AC for re-establishing US routes faster.

On the Porter topic. Take a look at what I found recently: https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/r...its-controversial-expansion-plans-203869
Apparently, YOW is the second biggest base for Porter with the most flights and passengers outside of Billy Bishop. Makes me wonder if we'll be the primary hub and YYZ will be a stand alone hub with no connecting traffic? Mind you this article is from 2015, but I would suspect it would be the same today. Crazy idea I've had though: Maybe Porter will use Billy Bishop to ship people here to connect them to somewhere else if some passengers want to avoid YYZ altogether?

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Old Posted Jun 13, 2022, 12:33 AM
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Today’s departure count: 63

Today’s cancellation count: 3

Also all AC sun routes out of YOW this winter will be on Rouge. YOW-YQB is part of the 100 flights a day AC has cut over the summer.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2022, 1:38 AM
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Today’s departure count: 63

Today’s cancellation count: 3

Also all AC sun routes out of YOW this winter will be on Rouge. YOW-YQB is part of the 100 flights a day AC has cut over the summer.
Maybe we are better off with Rouge. A bit more flexible staffing no? Could lead to less cancellations.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2022, 2:29 PM
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The City of Ottawa is hosting a Zoom public meeting tonight for the consideration of the Ottawa International Airport Community Improvement Plan. It's positive to see the City aligning with the Airport Authority on initiatives relating to investment attraction and business development - with the Taxiway R project underway and upcoming hangar development projects, it would be encouraging to see this momentum continue.

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The meeting on June 13, 2022 is to present the proposed Ottawa International Airport Community Improvement Plan (YOW CIP). The proposed CIP would enable the provision of financial incentives to Airport tenant businesses to encourage investment, support economic recovery, and drive future growth and prosperity in this key economic district.

Program objectives include:
  • Enabling a Tax Increment Equivalent Grant program
  • Stimulating private investment in development / redevelopment of airport lands and buildings located within the CIP boundary
  • Supporting growth of passenger volumes and air routes to service business and visitor travel
  • Increasing new business opportunities and employment for the National Capital Region
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2022, 9:03 PM
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Today’s departure count: 67

Today’s cancellation count: 4

I looked at the first week of January 2023 and here's the current AC Rouge Florida YOW schedule:
MCO dep 0615 days 2467 319
TPA dep 0615 days 135 319
FLL dep 1705 daily 319

Internationally I found this (only looked for CUN, PUJ and VRA):
CUN dep 1430 days 1346
PUJ dep 1430 days 25
VRA dep 1430 day 7

Given the above works out to two FL and one int'l departure per day, I'd be surprised if there's anything to anywhere else.

AC are also slowly building Rapidair back up with 12 YYZ departures this winter, up from the current 10.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2022, 11:37 PM
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The City of Ottawa is hosting a Zoom public meeting tonight for the consideration of the Ottawa International Airport Community Improvement Plan. It's positive to see the City aligning with the Airport Authority on initiatives relating to investment attraction and business development - with the Taxiway R project underway and upcoming hangar development projects, it would be encouraging to see this momentum continue.

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I've been watching along to this and majority of people commenting are talking about Saving the Hunt Club forest and that in light of the city declaring a climate emergency it is contradictory to support increased airport development.

No mention of providing subsidies directly to airlines for new routes, but I imagine that would be something for the airport authority to implement (through landing fee discounts, etc).
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2022, 12:18 AM
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I've been watching along to this and majority of people commenting are talking about Saving the Hunt Club forest and that in light of the city declaring a climate emergency it is contradictory to support increased airport development.

No mention of providing subsidies directly to airlines for new routes, but I imagine that would be something for the airport authority to implement (through landing fee discounts, etc).
I assume you mean the Hunt Club tree farm. Only city slickers think that trees naturally grow in tightly spaced, straight rows with no biodiversity. It is only a matter of time before a blight will come along and spread rapidly between neighbouring trees, killing all of them. This tree farm isn’t a hill worth dying on.
     
     
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I assume you mean the Hunt Club tree farm. Only city slickers think that trees naturally grow in tightly spaced, straight rows with no biodiversity. It is only a matter of time before a blight will come along and spread rapidly between neighbouring trees, killing all of them. This tree farm isn’t a hill worth dying on.
Yes they were talking about the Red Pine forest, which isn't even within the airport lands boundaries that the CIP would cover. Props to the city staff who tactfully dealt with all of the enviro/land/forest comments, despite those on Hunt Club not being at risk at all through this actual proposal...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Yes they were talking about the Red Pine forest, which isn't even within the airport lands boundaries that the CIP would cover.
CIP boundary from last night's public meeting:


The CIP report is scheduled to go to the Finance and Economic Development Committee on June 28, 2022 and before Council on July 6, 2022; the by-law is scheduled to be heard at Council on August 31, 2022. The CIP is proposed to be in effect for 10 years with a 5-year optional extension.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2022, 1:30 PM
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For those that attended the YOW CIP meeting, were you encouraged by the outcome?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2022, 4:10 PM
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Just as a data point on the lack of international connections to YOW and the impacts - returned from Munich over the weekend, was supposed to be about 11 h total with connections. Arrived in Toronto to this - the back up of people with missed connections:



Ended up going to Montreal - again, the back up of people with missed connections:



Then, last flight of the night to Ottawa ended up cancelled last minute. Personally didn't have any alternative options. Ended up with this, a flight the next day:



29 h 23 min!

Admittedly this is probably an egregious example, and really the only one I've experienced personally. But I can see how the possibility of these (plus of course having more options generally) makes the drive to YUL appealing, at least with the status quo.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2022, 12:33 PM
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Today’s departure count: 5 - 4 of which are the first four YUL departures today. What’s up with YUL? It’s certainly not weather in Montreal.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2022, 1:28 PM
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For those that attended the YOW CIP meeting, were you encouraged by the outcome?
I'd say it was positive overall - City Staff did a good job of articulating the economic importance of YOW and there appears to be a recognition that this is a tool in the City's control that can assist in creating a more business conducive environment at the airport. It's good to see this being moved along expediently through the summer - hopefully it can be marketed as part of the Airport Authority's business development efforts soon.
     
     
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Today’s departure count: 62

Today’s departure count: 5 - 4 of which are the first four YUL departures today. What’s up with YUL? It’s certainly not weather in Montreal.
Assume you mean cancellation count, but likely related to staffing shortages/airport congestion/Covid/etc. Those flights were mostly operated by AC Express, who I've noticed have also been the majority of Air Canada's cancellations out of YYZ. Could be proactive cancellations due to anticipated congestion or maybe the planes never arrived overnight due to other cancellations that caused a ripple effect.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2022, 2:48 AM
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Assume you mean cancellation count, but likely related to staffing shortages/airport congestion/Covid/etc. Those flights were mostly operated by AC Express, who I've noticed have also been the majority of Air Canada's cancellations out of YYZ. Could be proactive cancellations due to anticipated congestion or maybe the planes never arrived overnight due to other cancellations that caused a ripple effect.
Indeed I did mean cancellations.

Thursday's departure count: 69

Thursday's cancellation count: 1

Here's WS' YOW peak winter sun schedule (I didn't bother to look up what gauge of 737):
MBJ days 67
CUN days 67
RSW days 27
MCO days 567

First WS sun departure of the winter season is on 05NOV22.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2022, 9:47 PM
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Diversions currently on the way from YUL.

Handful of A330 and potentially some 787 and/or 777 (as well as E75) inbound for those who want to go spot!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2022, 10:27 PM
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Indeed I did mean cancellations.

Thursday's departure count: 69

Thursday's cancellation count: 1

Here's WS' YOW peak winter sun schedule (I didn't bother to look up what gauge of 737):
MBJ days 67
CUN days 67
RSW days 27
MCO days 567

First WS sun departure of the winter season is on 05NOV22.
When would one expect to have a complete list of sun-destination flights from YOW this winter? Before Labour Day?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2022, 12:33 AM
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Another opening for Porter?

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WestJet boosting flights in Western Canada, de-emphasizing eastern routes as part of new strategic plan

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WestJet Airlines says it will emerge from the pandemic with a renewed focus on Western Canada, boosting its flight schedule in its backyard while flying less often within the eastern parts of the country.

The changes are part of the Calgary-based airline’s strategic plan unveiled on Thursday by chief executive officer Alexis von Hoensbroech, who joined WestJet in February.

Mr. von Hoensbroech said in an interview that a review of WestJet’s operations yielded a strategy with three main areas of focus: the West, leisure travel in all markets, and affordability. None is new, he said, but for Canada’s second-largest airline, the pandemic that grounded most of the world’s passenger jets underlined the need to ensure it is making the right moves as demand recovers.

“We think that the West has more room for growth for us than the East,” Mr. von Hoensbroech said.

Other parts of the plan include strengthening business and holiday travel in western Canada. WestJet’s proposed purchase of Sunwing’s airline and vacation divisions, announced in March, is awaiting regulatory approval.

Pandemic restrictions are easing for the aviation world, but the industry must also deal with the effects of Russia’s war on Ukraine, economic uncertainty, and high prices for fuel. Staffing shortages at some major airports in Canada and in London and Amsterdam are hurdles to a smooth return to more normal flows of passenger jets and customers.

WestJet will reduce the number of flights within Eastern Canada, including the highly competitive Toronto-to-Montreal route, and boost its schedule and capacity in its western stronghold, Mr. von Hoensbroech said, adding that WestJet plans to add more flights connecting west and east.

“We are called WestJet,” Mr. von Hoensbroech said. “So it’s the West, that’s where we’re strong and we think we can do more for the West.”

Jacques Roy, a transportation professor at HEC Montreal, said WestJet is investing in its traditional territory in the face of more competition from low-cost rivals Lynx Air and Flair Airlines. “It’s a question of concentrating on where they are stronger,” Prof. Roy said. He added that WestJet’s lack of success in Montreal and Atlantic Canada is likely behind the moves.

The airline will also reshape its fleet, adding more narrow-body planes, including new Boeing 737 Max jets, and halt the addition of wide-body 787 Dreamliners.

Mr. von Hoensbroech said WestJet will fly its existing 787s in the West. The airline will receive 15 new 737s this year, bringing its Max fleet to more than 30. The 47-plane De Havilland Q400 regional fleet that flies in Ontario and Quebec will be reduced by 10 or 15 planes, and will move to Western Canada. The company is also in negotiations for a “substantial” number of narrow-body aircraft, Mr. von Hoensbroech said, declining to elaborate.

WestJet said the network changes announced on Thursday will be implemented by the summer of 2023.

WestJet began in Calgary in 1994 as a scrappy alternative to Air Canada, the dominant national airline. It has expanded to other parts of the country, and added overseas routes as it looked to compete directly with Air Canada in higher-priced markets. After a few stumbles blamed on a rising cost structure and tough competition, then-publicly traded WestJet agreed to a takeover by Gerry Schwartz’s Onex Corp. in 2019 for $3.5-billion.

Mr. von Hoensbroech, a German who previously ran Austrian Airlines, said WestJet is on solid footing compared to many of its peers. It did not accept a government bailout, nor take on new debt to survive.

However, bottlenecks due to security and customs staffing at Toronto Pearson Airport and other major hubs and high fuel prices are hampering the aviation recovery, even though WestJet and other airlines are operating at less than usual capacity.

When asked if airfares have risen as a result of the spike in the price of jet fuel, Mr. von Hoensbroech declined to be specific. “Some prices went up, some prices went down,” he said. “We have seen both trends. Every business has to make sure that it recovers its costs in the long run. It’s something that airlines are struggling with.”

WestJet does not add a fuel surcharge to ticket prices, he said, “at this point in time.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...hts-western-canada-new-boeing-airplanes/
     
     
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