Tunney's Pasture Redevelopment

[rakerman]

The survey ("Stage 2 Questionnaire") deadline is June 19, 2022.

https://engage.clc-sic.ca/tunney-s-pasture-vision-to-reality/survey_tools/survey

Also the (very governmenty) presentation from the May 25 & 26, 2022 consultations has been posted https://engage.clc-sic.ca/26731/widgets/108172/documents/81847

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Spoiler alert, but the neighbours in Kitchisippi Ward, when "consulted", are going to be adamant that there is not enough green and open space at Tunney's, and that there should be even more, because you can't possibly have enough windswept sunburnt open and green space to satisfy them.

They WVCA already completed a local survey and yeah pretty much as you stated...and can you guess what there lowest priority is....

http://www.neighboursfortunneys.ca/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11eoQjk0kn_GgEb2vpy05URFjG8zc5Cqq/view

[originalmuffins]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Spoiler alert, but the neighbours in Kitchisippi Ward, when "consulted", are going to be adamant that there is not enough green and open space at Tunney's, and that there should be even more, because you can't possibly have enough windswept sunburnt open and green space to satisfy them.

Holy moly I am so sick and tired of the NIMBY mentality that there needs to be a plethora of greenspace when there already is an ample amount in the area. It's like the insistence that we needed a "Parks District" at Lebreton when we already have Lebreton Flats Park.................

Absolute moronic mentalities.

[Admiral Nelson]

Since when do we translate Tunney's Pasture into Pré Tunney? It's not like we translate 'Rideau Centre' into 'Curtain Centre' just because Rideau is a French word. Plus, Tunney's Pasture isn't translated in the LRT system.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson

Since when do we translate Tunney's Pasture into Pré Tunney? It's not like we translate 'Rideau Centre' into 'Curtain Centre' just because Rideau is a French word. Plus, Tunney's Pasture isn't translated in the LRT system.

I'd seen Pré Tunney in the early 90s, but then it went away.

[GeoNerd]

I wish they’d drop the whole pasture thing. Cool, It was a pasture 150 years ago. Well it’s an inner city neighbourhood now. It’s not a quaint or clever name. Just calling the area Tunneys would be much better from a marketing standpoint as well.

[RuralCitizen]

Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson

Since when do we translate Tunney's Pasture into Pré Tunney? It's not like we translate 'Rideau Centre' into 'Curtain Centre' just because Rideau is a French word. Plus, Tunney's Pasture isn't translated in the LRT system.

Because it isn't Tunney that is translate, it is the pasture part. Same for Rideau Centre, it is the Centre that is translated to french "Centre Rideau". "Rideau" is the actual name of the river so it wouldn't be translated. Rideau River becomes Rivière Rideau.

The "Proper Name" stays, but the facility type gets translated.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

They WVCA already completed a local survey and yeah pretty much as you stated...and can you guess what there lowest priority is....

http://www.neighboursfortunneys.ca/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11eoQjk0kn_GgEb2vpy05URFjG8zc5Cqq/view

I'm actually somewhat surprised that public/green/open space wasn't even more prominent in that document, but not at all surprised at the NIMBYism/Classism that is revealed by the charts.

[originalmuffins]

Looking at the "Neighbours for Tunneys" results, it's so funny what they find their "priorities" are: Parks/greenspace, Connectivity to the River, Natural lands preservation.

Basically a load of BS, they just don't want to build anything substantial. Why? Because they barely prioritized actual functional things that could benefit (or create an identity to) their community:

- Food/grocery
- Landmark attraction/entertainment
- Indoor sports and recreation facilities

They didn't even show any care in the slightest for low income housing or indigenous connections. This association are all NIMBYs and are a joke. Looks like they just want barren green lands that become wastelands in the winter and just want no one to visit the area. Ridiculous.

As if it isn't a hotspot for workers, which is also funny because barely any of them work there either.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by RuralCitizen

Because it isn't Tunney that is translate, it is the pasture part. Same for Rideau Centre, it is the Centre that is translated to french "Centre Rideau". "Rideau" is the actual name of the river so it wouldn't be translated. Rideau River becomes Rivière Rideau.

The "Proper Name" stays, but the facility type gets translated.

Technically Tunney’s Pasture should be Pré de Tunney. Pré Tunney is Tunney Pasture.

They did the same thing to Dows Lake. It was always Dow’s Lake and then someone had the bright idea of removing the apostrophe so they could write Lac Dows Lake. It’s crazy that in a supposedly bilingual capital we can’t get stuff like this right.
Dow’s Lake = Lac de Dow
Dow Lake = Lac Dow
Dows (family) Lake = Lac des Dow

[RuralCitizen]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Technically Tunney’s Pasture should be Pré de Tunney. Pré Tunney is Tunney Pasture.

They did the same thing to Dows Lake. It was always Dow’s Lake and then someone had the bright idea of removing the apostrophe so they could write Lac Dows Lake. It’s crazy that in a supposedly bilingual capital we can’t get stuff like this right.
Dow’s Lake = Lac de Dow
Dow Lake = Lac Dow
Dows (family) Lake = Lac des Dow

That is interesting information, thanks. We certainly lack knowledge of history.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

They did the same thing to Dows Lake. It was always Dow’s Lake and then someone had the bright idea of removing the apostrophe so they could write Lac Dows Lake. It’s crazy that in a supposedly bilingual capital we can’t get stuff like this right.
Dow’s Lake = Lac de Dow
Dow Lake = Lac Dow
Dows (family) Lake = Lac des Dow

Geographical names boards in Canada have a general anti-apostrophe policy that is of long standing.

[RuralCitizen]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Geographical names boards in Canada have a general anti-apostrophe policy that is of long standing.

Well in that case, the person in charge of transcribing/translating names and signs should have local history has one of their qualifications. Lots of lost history have only street names or location names as the reminder of their previous existence. It would suck that a random office worker makes pieces of history disappear simply because they don't understand what they are renaming/translating.

For the apostrophe, this seems to be mostly an English issue as the possessive and contraction use of the apostrophe doesn't really exist in French. (Unless you are butchering the language in an unformal way).

Other than for " L' " (which is the equivalent of "The") it is not that common in French names.

The only other case would be " d' " when it precedes a name starting by a vowel. ex: Port d'Alexandrie (Alexandria Port)

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by RuralCitizen

Well in that case, the person in charge of transcribing/translating names and signs should have local history has one of their qualifications. Lots of lost history have only street names or location names as the reminder of their previous existence. It would suck that a random office worker makes pieces of history disappear simply because they don't understand what they are renaming/translating.

It's not that they don't understand.

It's that the geographical names authorities, for whatever reason, decided for style reasons to stamp out as many apostrophes as possible.

[Harley613]

They seem to be removing the taxiways at the Tunney's Pasture International Airport. Lots of soil remediation going on. Are we witnessing the birth of a new mixed use neighbourhood?

[SL123]

Originally Posted by Harley613

They seem to be removing the taxiways at the Tunney's Pasture International Airport. Lots of soil remediation going on. Are we witnessing the birth of a new mixed use neighbourhood?

My bet would be that its link to the energy plant and not a reconfiguration of the "taxiway" just like the SJAM parkway construction is link the the energy plant at Tunneys

[LRTeverywhere]

Originally Posted by Harley613

They seem to be removing the taxiways at the Tunney's Pasture International Airport. Lots of soil remediation going on. Are we witnessing the birth of a new mixed use neighbourhood?

Looks like they are just adding / replacing some pipes under the street. And this is the government, I fully expect they will replace the taxiway as is then rip it out again in a few years when they finally finish the plan.

[Harley613]

You guys are really messing up with my dream state here. Can't a man dream?!?

You're probably right though. They'll rebuild the taxi-way and auction off the land over the course of 100 years. Lebreton 2.0.

[OTSkyline]

The 3 levels of government cry all the time that we need to build more housing in general, we definitely need more affordable housing and that we need to build more dense, transit-oriented communities. Yet it does nothing outside of bullying builders into including a handful of affordable (or market-rent) units in new developments all while sitting on huge swathes of prime, central, transit oriented land.

[Har13]

What’s the structure being built?