Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 302

MonctonRad · #**6021** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 2:21 PM**

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Thats a very bad design you cannot use the endzone for temp grey cup seating and you cannot even distinguish that an arena is even there until you get close to the doors looks like an odd 1950s nuclear bunker

Agreed that this is a very poorly thought out plan. Is it too late for second thoughts???

Also agree about the "bunker" comments. But, given this is Ottawa, perhaps this is the plan. Is this arena big enough for all the MPs, senators (the parliamentary ones), and the senior civil servants and all their families in case of a nuclear apocalypse????

J.OT13 · #**6022** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 2:36 PM**

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Agreed that this is a very poorly thought out plan. Is it too late for second thoughts???

Also agree about the "bunker" comments. But, given this is Ottawa, perhaps this is the plan. Is this arena big enough for all the MPs, senators (the parliamentary ones), and the senior civil servants and all their families in case of a nuclear apocalypse????

The new arena won't be able to handle a couple people on the roof, so not sure how useful it would be as a nuclear bunker

I feel like OSEG rushed to complete a plan without giving it much thought in order to get approval from the developer friendly Council before the Fall election.

Here's the before and after overall view. To answer esquire question, the field to the right is the "great lawn", a key feature at Lansdowne to host events, so it's untouchable. If they could at least build the arena so that it can accommodate crowds on the roof, it wouldn't be so bad I guess.

https://s9architecture.com/lansdowne-park/

esquire · #**6023** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 2:39 PM**

Everything about it is fine except for the arena. That design and placement is just maddening. Well, a canopy over the north stands would be nice too.

jonny24 · #**6024** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 2:45 PM**

Depending just how close to the end zone the arena is, you could maybe have some "club" type seats/areas looking out over the football field, and make use of the arena washrooms/concessions? Kinda like the south end at Commonwealth, or like Headingley in Leeds where one stand has seats facing one way for the cricket field and the other way for the rugby field.

MalcolmTucker · #**6025** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:15 PM**

I see the 'no public access', 'no capacity of temporary seating' as negotiating positions.

The company is unwilling to pay for such things. If the public wants such things, the public can offer more density, or offer to pay for them in $.

ScreamingViking · #**6026** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:36 PM**

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Yeah, someone pointed out that major flaw on the Ottawa forum. There goes any chance for another Grey Cup or NHL Classic now that we're removing any possibility for even temporary seating.

And not having the green roof open for public use also eats up quite a bit of park space.

I commented on that in the other thread. I'm surprised OSEG didn't account for that -- green roof is ok, but without being able to support temporary seating, why not move it farther back from the endzone so there's space for that? Looks like there is plenty of room.

How many seats does the south stand currently have? I was also curious about the new capacity, though I don't imagine it will be a lot different (maybe a bit lower?)

ScreamingViking · #**6027** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

I see the 'no public access', 'no capacity of temporary seating' as negotiating positions.

The company is unwilling to pay for such things. If the public wants such things, the public can offer more density, or offer to pay for them in $.

The company owns the RedBlacks so you'd think they'd be very willing. But perhaps they have presented this option in the hope someone else will fork over money to pay for the changes.

Denscity · #**6028** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:45 PM**

Just saw a shot of Cirque du Soleil performing on the BC Place Roof!
No audience of course.
They're set up across the street in their traditional tents.

MalcolmTucker · #**6029** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:48 PM**

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The company owns the RedBlacks so you'd think they'd be very willing. But perhaps they have presented this option in the hope someone else will fork over money to pay for the changes.

Simultaneously vastly overestimating the $ needed to both make safe a green roof (I'd guess you need to account for something akin to a crush load, like if a music festival audience was on top); and to allow for temporary seating (concrete footings); and income from 1-4 events a decade.

thurmas · #**6030** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 4:51 PM**

With Grey Cups of recent years limiting seating to 26 to 35 thousand and charging more per ticket maybe Ottawa can squeeze in 30,000 if they get creative with the opposite endzone with some temp seating

J.OT13 · #**6031** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:32 PM**

Another news article with more info.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lansdowne-park-ottawa-arena-stands-plan-1.6432445

So the new north side stands would have a capacity of 11,100 seats, down from the current 14,000. So that reduces the overall capacity from 24,000 to 21,900. That said, the arena will have suits inside facing the field, increasing that total a bit.

J.OT13 · #**6032** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:34 PM**

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Forgot to mention the stadium seating:

"New north-side stands with 11,200 seats, but capable of holding 12,000 spectators, would be the other half of the sports amenities upgrade. The demolition and construction schedule would mean there would be two football seasons without north-side stands; OSEG would use temporary stands to handle 35 per cent of the current north-side capacity."

Would this change the total capacity?

Also, putting the arena under a berm isn't a bad idea, but the fact it isn't planned to bear additional load puts a damper on temporary stands for the Grey Cup. Why not increase the separation from the endzone to allow some space for that?

I do like this idea. I could see it being amended to address the temp-stand issue... the CFL should be all over that one, and I'm surprised OSEG hasn't factored it into their proposal.

Where will these temporary stands be during construction? Can't be east as the arena will be built first. Can't be north since they will be building the new stands. Must be west, so that means we will still have the capacity to build 5k temporary seats. Still not enough for the Grey Cup or NHL Classic.

jonny24 · #**6033** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:34 PM**

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That said, the arena will have suits inside facing the field, increasing that total a bit.

esquire · #**6034** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:35 PM**

The new north stand looks a bit like a modernized version of the south stands at Molson Stadium.

Ottawa's stadium is basically going to be new after this but it's going to be quite small.

thurmas · #**6035** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Another news article with more info.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lansdowne-park-ottawa-arena-stands-plan-1.6432445

So the new north side stands would have a capacity of 11,100 seats, down from the current 14,000. So that reduces the overall capacity from 24,000 to 21,900. That said, the arena will have suits inside facing the field, increasing that total a bit.

Looks kinda like the endzone at mcmahon stadium.the extra suites will definitely bring in more revenue thank normal seats

J.OT13 · #**6036** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 5:50 PM**

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That said, the arena will have suits inside facing the field, increasing that total a bit.

https://twitter.com/mostlyfbshow/status/1081764774596071424

ScreamingViking · #**6037** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 6:16 PM**

Suits?

ScreamingViking · #**6038** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Where will these temporary stands be during construction? Can't be east as the arena will be built first. Can't be north since they will be building the new stands. Must be west, so that means we will still have the capacity to build 5k temporary seats. Still not enough for the Grey Cup or NHL Classic.

Condo roof?

Losing that club area off the west endzone would not be ideal, but if the arena is to be built before the stadium that's really the only option. Too bad they're limited by the scoreboard placement too (which was a silly choice from the get-go IMO)

I wonder if any of the condo dwellers would raise a stink. It would be one thing to have temp stands blocking a view for a few weeks, but across two seasons?

craner · #**6039** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 6:39 PM**

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Official proposal to redevelop the Civic Centre and TD Place Stadium, along with adding housing to Lansdowne Park.

OSEG would be ready to start construction on the new arena in November.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-knit-arena-into-berm-add-1200-new-homes

Is OSEG financing this ?
If so, please send them to Calgary & Halifax.

J.OT13 · #**6040** Posted **Apr 27, 2022, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by craner

Is OSEG financing this ?
If so, please send them to Calgary & Halifax.

Unclear. We should know more soon. They call it "tax neutral" and "self-financing", but that may mean the City of Ottawa should theoretically earn enough new tax revenue from the new residential/retail over 30 years to finance the updated sports facilities.