Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

so the PQ changed their logo? I never loved the old logo, but the new one really sucks.





This is a powerful Quebec logo, pardon the pun


Scary logo:

The new one apparently looks like they ripped it off some organization or institution in Kazakhstan or somewhere in central Asia.

Obviously they didn't - it's just funny.

[MolsonExport]

the new one is really quite sad. I don't know what it is that bothers me...other than the fact that it is really pathetic looking. the old one was sort of ugly, but it had some gravitas.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

tl;dr, the CAQ really has no one but itself to blame for the failure of the REM de l'Est, because they hitched an important transit project onto a dubious and increasingly unpopular investment scheme. If the government had simply ponied up $10 billion for a light metro system that would be operated by the STM, I doubt there would have been half as much opposition.

If the CAQ tried to do the REM Est without the Caisse, they would need to bring up all the cash for it, not just part of it. In the end it is the other transit projects that would have suffered. Second, if the STM ran the REM, you can be sure that the operating costs would be WAY higher. No way the unions would agree for an automated train while they could make a lot of money from (pretty much useless) train conductors. In a time of workers shortages, we need more automation, not less, even if the unions make less money because of it.

[Acajack]

The CAQ won a byelection in a forever PQ stronghold in Longueuil yesterday. With a parachuted modest star candidate who was a bit controversial.

The PQ finished a strong second with a true star candidate - local guy, media personality, ex MP in Ottawa.

The Liberals ended up in fringe party territory.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The CAQ won a byelection in a forever PQ stronghold in Longueuil yesterday. With a parachuted modest star candidate who was a bit controversial.

The PQ finished a strong second with a true star candidate - local guy, media personality, ex MP in Ottawa.

The Liberals ended up in fringe party territory.

Interesting that the PQ candidate Pierre Nantel who is quite well known only got 30% of the votes in a riding like that. Definitely a sign that the PQ will be lucky to win any seats in the upcoming general election.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Interesting that the PQ candidate Pierre Nantel who is quite well known only got 30% of the votes in a riding like that. Definitely a sign that the PQ will be lucky to win any seats in the upcoming general election.

Funnily enough, the PQ people are talking about this as a near-win today, and it doesn't sound like them being foolish.

They were just 4 points away from the winner.

I don't think this means that they're going to rebound any time soon, but I don't think they're quite dead yet.

It was pointed out today that the Liberals got under 7%, which is about half the non-francophone share of the population in the riding which is their traditional base.

The takeaway of that being that they might even be deader among francophone Quebecers than originally thought.

Though one thing they have over the PQ is that they do have at least some unassailable Liberal bastions that no other party has any hope of taking. Even though the number of these seems to be shrinking.

Whereas for the PQ, even their strongest "bastions" could all be taken by the CAQ.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Funnily enough, the PQ people are talking about this as a near-win today, and it doesn't sound like them being foolish.

They were just 4 points away from the winner.

I don't think this means that they're going to rebound any time soon, but I don't think they're quite dead yet.

It was pointed out today that the Liberals got under 7%, which is about half the non-francophone share of the population in the riding which is their traditional base.

The takeaway of that being that they might even be deader among francophone Quebecers than originally thought.

Though one thing they have over the PQ is that they do have at least some unassailable Liberal bastions that no other party has any hope of taking. Even though the number of these seems to be shrinking.

Whereas for the PQ, even their strongest "bastions" could all be taken by the CAQ.

I don't know what the PQ would say other than they were "close" even though getting 30% is not impressive compared to past results.

The Ontario Liberal Party only got single digit support in quite a few ridings last time including mine and I think the same thing will happen this year. Both the PLQ and OLP will likely only win a small number of ridings and it will be where their candidates are popular at the riding level. Anglade and Del Duca seem to be leaders who are just leading their parties at low points and really haven't been interesting as far as I can tell. There's a very good chance that Del Duca won't win the riding he'll be running in and I wonder if Anglade will be in a tight race with the QS candidate.

[Acajack]

According to a quick analysis done by this journalist, there are 17 rock-solid Liberal (PLQ) seats in Quebec.

https://twitter.com/LP_LaPresse/status/1514529658091433984

[Acajack]

No love lost between Québec solidaire and the PLQ:

https://twitter.com/PascalBerube/status/1514610195007111178/photo/1

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

No love lost between Québec solidaire and the PLQ:

https://twitter.com/PascalBerube/status/1514610195007111178/photo/1

The PLQ becoming unelectable in anything that isn't a "would happily elect a red mailbox" caliber stronghold is great news for QS, so... of course they're rooting for its demise.

Similarly, the CAQ would like it if the PQ to ceased to exist and the emerging PCQ went back to not existing.

[Loco101]

I was going through the tweets from one of the links above and found this which might piss off the NLers:

Les chutes Churchill....les chutes du rat musqué...appartiennent au Québec!

[Acajack]

It's looking more and more like Quebec will have not one but two anglo rights protest parties in next October's elections.

I wonder how much they'll succeed in chipping away at the Liberal vote, and if this will allow someone else to slip through in certain places - likely the CAQ in most of them. But perhaps Québec solidaire in a couple of places too.

[MolsonExport]

Much of Labrador was indeed, at one point, part of Lower Canada (Quebec), however, much of Northern Quebec was indeed, at one point, not a part of Lower Canada, but rather, Rupert's Land (belonging to the British Crown, and was not a part of either Upper or Lower Canada until 1868. That northern section remained part of the NWT until many years later. Borders move.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Much of Labrador was indeed, at one point, part of Lower Canada (Quebec), however, much of Northern Quebec was indeed, at one point, not a part of Lower Canada, but rather, Rupert's Land (belonging to the British Crown, and was not a part of either Upper or Lower Canada until 1868. That northern section remained part of the NWT until many years later. Borders move.

Legal history definitely matters, but I also attach importance to human geography as well.

Labradorians are much closer in culture to Newfoundlanders than to Quebecers. And that's been the case for a very long time.

In any event, sly jabs in informal maps aside, I don't think Quebec really wants all of Labrador anymore, and its current "claim" is based on a disagreement over the border as established in 1927.

This area is unpopulated AFAIK though it is an important watershed for hydro power.

If you play around with the map accessible from this page, you'll see where the current border is and where Quebec thinks it should be.

https://mern.gouv.qc.ca/ministere/cartes-information-geographique/aide-frontieres/

[Friedrich Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's looking more and more like Quebec will have not one but two anglo rights protest parties in next October's elections.

How can there be a protest party in a country where protesting is illegal? I sure hope their "views" are pre-approved as "acceptable" by you-know-who.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by Friedrich Nietzsche

How can there be a protest party in a country where protesting is illegal? I sure hope their "views" are pre-approved as "acceptable" by you-know-who.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Friedrich Nietzsche

How can there be a protest party in a country where protesting is illegal? I sure hope their "views" are pre-approved as "acceptable" by you-know-who.

Protesting is not illegal, stopping people from living their lives by paralyzing a city is.

[Friedrich Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

Protesting is not illegal, stopping people from living their lives by paralyzing a city is.

Has there ever been a protest anywhere, ever, where not a single law was broken?

Pick your favourite cause and think back to any demonstration they've held. I will guarantee you there were laws broken (unlawful assembly, j-walking, loitering, etc., etc.). The question is not whether protesting/demonstrating inherently involves law breaking. It always does, if you follow the letter of the law without bias. The question is at which point does authority decide to enforce violations? This, of course, depends on what the authority thinks about the cause. I some cases martial law may be invoked. In other cases they may take a knee in solidarity with the protesters.

[suburbanite]

Why are we talking about literal protesting when the comment in question was in reference to a protest vote?

[whatnext]

Should I prepare for a trip to la belle province by watching episodes of "Bonjour Hi"?

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