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Old Posted Dec 1, 2021, 6:39 PM
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Okay you guys have to stop using the "golf course isn't public park" argument. This isn't what we are discussing. The situation is, once the golf course stops being a golf course, should it become a public park as it was contractually promised, or should it be exploited by greedy developers. Simple as that.

We have to be honest with ourselves. When it will be developed, it won't be a world class, environmentally friendly development. It will just be more of the same cost cutting development that will maximize profit for the builder.

Are we okay with it? should we require certain level of quality and higher standards? Can we compromise with a mixture of both park and housing?

I don't live close to Kanata, so I'm not a NIMBY, but I do care about urban planning and the living quality of the city.
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Okay you guys have to stop using the "golf course isn't public park" argument. This isn't what we are discussing. The situation is, once the golf course stops being a golf course, should it become a public park as it was contractually promised, or should it be exploited by greedy developers. Simple as that.

We have to be honest with ourselves. When it will be developed, it won't be a world class, environmentally friendly development. It will just be more of the same cost cutting development that will maximize profit for the builder.

Are we okay with it? should we require certain level of quality and higher standards? Can we compromise with a mixture of both park and housing?

I don't live close to Kanata, so I'm not a NIMBY, but I do care about urban planning and the living quality of the city.
If the law is upheld on what "in perpetuity" means then what your talking about is settled and the argument becomes nothing more then whether or not a private golf course should be allowed to be developed into housing or not.

Considering the housing crisis (if the law upholds as stated) then the answer is yes big t should be developed.

Because let's be clear here even if the city was able to buy it, the property should NOT be left as a golf course or solely as Parkland. Develop as required to create a walking 15 minute. Parks, stores, mid-rise, and etc.
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If the law is upheld on what "in perpetuity" means then what your talking about is settled and the argument becomes nothing more then whether or not a private golf course should be allowed to be developed into housing or not.

Considering the housing crisis (if the law upholds as stated) then the answer is yes big t should be developed.

Because let's be clear here even if the city was able to buy it, the property should NOT be left as a golf course or solely as Parkland. Develop as required to create a walking 15 minute. Parks, stores, mid-rise, and etc.
How many of the current developments around the city are actually fully self sustaining walkable 15min neighbourhoods? (including findley creek, barrhaven, orleans, stittsville as part of the city).

Your argument is equating parkland to a golf course, as a worthless use of land. I'm sorry, but I disagree to this vision of parkland vs housing. One doesn't go without the other, especially with global temperature increase. We need to cool down the city by having parkland EVERYWHERE intertwined in the fabric of the city. We need to stop dividing the city in big blocks of function. (Housing is here, work is there, and no new green space since we already have lots elsewhere.) This mentality just isn't sustainable and increases the mediocrity of our living environment. a row of dying trees along a boulevard isn't quality "green" space

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Okay you guys have to stop using the "golf course isn't public park" argument. This isn't what we are discussing. The situation is, once the golf course stops being a golf course, should it become a public park as it was contractually promised, or should it be exploited by greedy developers. Simple as that.

We have to be honest with ourselves. When it will be developed, it won't be a world class, environmentally friendly development. It will just be more of the same cost cutting development that will maximize profit for the builder.

Are we okay with it? should we require certain level of quality and higher standards? Can we compromise with a mixture of both park and housing?

I don't live close to Kanata, so I'm not a NIMBY, but I do care about urban planning and the living quality of the city.
There is no “operate as a park” option. Under the contract Kanata was supposed to operate it as a golf course.

From the ruling

(4) In the event that Campeau desires to discontinue the operation of the golf course and it can find no other persons to acquire or operate it, then it shall convey the golf course (including lands and buildings) to Kanata at no cost and if Kanata accepts the conveyance, Kanata shall operate or cause to be operated the land as a golf course subject to the provisions of paragraph 9.
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There is no “operate as a park” option. Under the contract Kanata was supposed to operate it as a golf course.

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(4) In the event that Campeau desires to discontinue the operation of the golf course and it can find no other persons to acquire or operate it, then it shall convey the golf course (including lands and buildings) to Kanata at no cost and if Kanata accepts the conveyance, Kanata shall operate or cause to be operated the land as a golf course subject to the provisions of paragraph 9.
Interesting. The Ottawa Citizen article said, "The deal allowed the city to take over the land for recreational activities if the owner no longer wanted to run a golf course." Regardless, the land is zoned O1A (Parks and Open Space Zone - Golf Course), so developing the land would require the city to change its zoning.
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It's good to see that they are have in 74 back-to-back townhomes and 88 row homes for some density, but given how close the development is to the planned, Stage 3 Campeau Confederation Line station, I would have liked to see even more density (at least low rise if not larger). You can see the edge of the station on the plan below, kitty-corner to the development.


From pg. 9 of the Confederation Line Level 1 Proximity Study
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Nuvo in the Plateau is going up like gangbusters. This whole thing wasn't here a year ago. It blows my mind that they are adding this kind of density with only Boulevard du Plateau, a two lane bumpy potholed road with five traffic circles, to serve it. Traffic is already getting insane and there are potholes big enough to swallow buses on the road. I can't imagine when this reaches full occupancy along with a bunch of other developments along this road.

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An nearest retail is about a kilometer away. Dense doesn't mean walkable. "Beautiful" courtyards of asphalt all over.
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Is that the community pool in the lower-left corner? That's not going to hold everybody.
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Is that the community pool in the lower-left corner? That's not going to hold everybody.
If it is, what were they thinking? Building these around a "central park" (smaller, obviously, than the actual central park built by the City) that includes amenities and some outdoor space would have made more sense.
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I don't think it was posted here earlier - Taggart bought Tartan last Fall
https://tartanhomes.com/wp-content/u...ept-8-2021.pdf
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I think it was almost impossible for a small builder like Tartan to continue alone, this is the domain of the "Big Boys" unfortunately because the cost of entry (land acquisition and development costs) are so high, you need a vertically integrated company with deep pockets like Taggart. Small builders are at the mercy of the large ones to sell off parcels to them.
Wonder what the future is for other small builders like Valecraft
We will have 3 main builders in Ottawa:
-Taggard-Tamarack
-Richcraft
-Minto
-Mattamy?-
Then a couple of smaller players like Caivan, Ashcroft, EQ etc. Not sure if Claridge is out of the suburban sprawl game
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An nearest retail is about a kilometer away. Dense doesn't mean walkable. "Beautiful" courtyards of asphalt all over.
So.... much.... setbacks.

Ugh.
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It's a never ending sea of sameness.



My 12 year old said 'that place looks like a McDonalds.'

He isn't too far off.
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An nearest retail is about a kilometer away. Dense doesn't mean walkable. "Beautiful" courtyards of asphalt all over.
I see they are opening up a Pot shop and another pet food store at Destination V. The essentials.
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I see they are opening up a Pot shop and another pet food store at Destination V. The essentials.
SDQC has been open for a few weeks now. The pet store is Mondou, which surprises me because Chico is just over in the old part of the mall and it's very popular.
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Former city whistleblower speaks out about Barrhaven subdivision
Committee approves Caivan rezoning after hearing from Rideau Valley Conservation Authority

Kate Porter · CBC News
Posted: Apr 15, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 15




Developer Caivan Communities received approval from Ottawa's planning committee Thursday for a new subdivision in south-end Barrhaven, but only after councillors scrutinized the possible ramifications of building on what used to be a flood plain — and hearing strong concerns from a former whistleblower.

Caivan intends to build 942 new houses on 66.6 hectares east of Borrisokane Road and north of the Jock River. The company plans to build those 701 detached homes and 241 townhomes off-site at its new manufacturing facility nearby.

For its Barrhaven Conservancy development, Caivan applied to the Rideau Valley Conservation Authority (RVCA) in 2019 for a permit to "cut" land in some areas to create volume for water, and "fill" other areas and take them out of the flood plain so houses could be built.

At 407,000 cubic metres, it was the largest volume of fill the conservation authority had ever been asked to consider and "not a common" request, said the RVCA's director of science and planning, Glen McDonald.

In a rare appearance at committee, he sought to answer councillors' many questions about the history of the Jock River flood plain, and address concerns that have been raised at city hall over recent years.

McDonald assured the planning committee that the conservation authority and engineers had done their due diligence.

"Our executive committee would never have approved the application if they didn't have a high degree of confidence that the tests under the Conservation Authorities Act had been met," said McDonald.

In what Coun. Carol Anne Meehan called a "brave" move, city engineer Ted Cooper also gave a detailed presentation to committee as a private citizen to lay out his ongoing concerns about the whole process.

Cooper had previously raised concerns about the flood models for developments in Kanata near the Carp River and was proven right in 2008, only to be terminated by the city in 2013. He successfully fought and regained his job.

When it comes to Barrhaven's Jock River, Cooper is now concerned the Caivan development doesn't lay out the typical ponds to manage storm water and hold runoff, especially in spring.

Cooper suggested councillors not approve the rezoning until the RVCA finishes a sub-watershed study it has drafted.

"What the fill permit has done is rewarded the developer in [Barrhaven ward] with an unprecedented flood plain development opportunity, while placing residents and their properties in [Gloucester-South Nepean ward] at unknown risk," said Cooper, referring to homeowners downstream in the Heart's Desire neighbourhood.

Last summer that neighbourhood had expressed concern about the flood plain changes for the development, and said they hadn't been told about it.

Caivan's CEO declared no development would take place in a flood plain, because the land is no longer considered such.

Frank Cairo said 42 experts had looked at the file, and said he was disappointed it felt that the fill permit of a few years ago was being "re-litigated" Thursday.

"To allege that we haven't considered erosion, to allege that we haven't considered storm water management, to allege that we don't have a sub-watershed study, those are all complete, factually incorrect statements," said Cairo after Cooper's presentation.

Coun. Scott Moffatt co-chairs planning committee but is also on RVCA's board. After the meeting, he explained the municipality has no role in mapping flood plains or adjusting their contours.

"And while it does keep on coming with this application, council can only decide files based on the flood plain mapping that has been determined by the RVCA, and that's what we've done here."

The rezoning for the subdivision needs full council approval on April 27.

Meanwhile, Caivan has also filed an application to the city's planning department for 1,000 more homes for a future phase of the Conservancy development, on 67 hectares to the west side of Borrisokane Road closer to Highway 416.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ttee-1.6419807
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Interesting that all of the homes will be built off-site and moved to their site after construction. I’ve seen individual homes done this way, but have anyone seen an entire development built using this technique?
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