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Strongly disagree with this. Regardless of what impact renaming the parkway will have, SJA's legacy is already completely dominated by the image of a racist, genocidal figure.

You can't name anything for him or honour him anymore.

As a francophone I am actually not a big fan of SJA personally but these facts cannot be denied.
The funny thing is that SJA's record regarding indigenous peoples was not entirely negative.

The North West Mounted Police was founded not just to protect Canadian sovereignty in the west but also to protect indigenous peoples from American attacks.

SJA's government also gave millions of acres of land to the Metis when Manitoba was founded. It was not SJA's fault that they sold most of the land.
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Definitely, the Aviation Parkway should be returned to its original name, the Eastern Parkway.

Streets should not be renamed except when we want them renamed.
Yes of course. Since "Eastern" is a name of great historic significance for Ottawa and Canada.

Remember, Peter Lougheed once said "Let those eastern bastards freeze in the dark!"
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The funny thing is that SJA's record regarding indigenous peoples was not entirely negative.

The North West Mounted Police was founded not just to protect Canadian sovereignty in the west but also to protect indigenous peoples from American attacks.
Are people even allowed to say this type of thing in 2022, without say a lightning bolt coming down from the sky to strike them dead?
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Are people even allowed to say this type of thing in 2022, without say a lightning bolt coming down from the sky to strike them dead?
Oh my, how dare I?
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Oh my, how dare I?
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Definitely, the Aviation Parkway should be returned to its original name, the Eastern Parkway.
TIL it was originally called the Eastern Parkway. I had no idea, probably because I didn't have any reason to go east of the Rideau River (except to take the Queensway to the St. Laurent Shopping Centre or to go to the Science Museum) while it was called that.

I was going to say the SJAM should become the Western River Parkway with the GEC being the Eastern River Parkway but your piece of history now nixes that idea.
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TIL it was originally called the Eastern Parkway. I had no idea, probably because I didn't have any reason to go east of the Rideau River (except to take the Queensway to the St. Laurent Shopping Centre or to go to the Science Museum) while it was called that.

I was going to say the SJAM should become the Western River Parkway with the GEC being the Eastern River Parkway but your piece of history now nixes that idea.
Originally, the Aviation parkway only ran from Ogilvie Road to Montreal Road. This was before even the first version of the Aviation museum was built at the Rockcliffe airport. The parkway was renamed when the new museum opened and the parkway was extended north of Montreal Road.

The 'Eastern Parkway' was the first phase of an ambitious project to build a ring road across the south tier of the city and connecting to the west end of the SJAM parkway at Carling. Parts of that corridor still exist undeveloped while other parts have been sold for housing. The transitway running south from Carling is the west end of this corridor. My family was expropriated in 1949 for this project at Bank Street where the railway overpass is today. Ledbury Park is where my family lived up to 1949 and an extension of the Eastern Parkway was to run through that park.
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For starters, I don't know why we have to rename absolutely everything with an Algonquin name!?! I understand and appreciate and wholeheartedly support measures for reconciliation, but renaming everything to me is not the solution. There are other ways to honour indigenous history and culture. I liked Nepean Point, but oh well.
Yeah, I have to agree. I feel there's been an over compensation on certain aspects such as renamings for Algonquin elders or words, along with consultations that seem heavily based on the Indigenous perspective, while other, more important things like access to clean water is still dragging, with no final resolution in sight.

Renaming the SJAM to honour the Algonquins made sense as the timing for the first renaming was puzzling (during the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and after Harper apologized for the residential school system), and it was to be re-named due to SJAM's role in the residential school system. I'd argue the same for the PoW Bridge (we already have a PoW Drive, though named for a different PoW + link between French/English/Indigenous), but this one seemed unnecessary. That said, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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I completely agree with renaming the point. Too many things in this area including a whole section of the city are named after Evan Nepean, a colonial figure who had very little to do with Canadian History. There's also Nepean Bay out by LeBreton Flats. I'm glad a prominent geographic feature of the area has a more meaningful unique name.
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At least we didn't rename the country and the city like New Zealand did. Oh wait.
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I completely agree with renaming the point. Too many things in this area including a whole section of the city are named after Evan Nepean, a colonial figure who had very little to do with Canadian History. There's also Nepean Bay out by LeBreton Flats. I'm glad a prominent geographic feature of the area has a more meaningful unique name.
That's a good point. Nepean is overrepresented. Sort of strange how the City/Feds named so many things after a handful of figures in a city that was relatively small at the time.

We're still doing that now, with half the urban west end named Kitchi Sibi, using various spellings. Chief William Comanda got a bridge and a street, nowhere near one another, in the same year (same day?)
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Didn't realize Kichesippi Beer has their unique spelling too.

I don't actually mind it. Fun little Ottawa quirk. Hope every Kichi-place has their own way to spell. We just need a Kitchi-registry.
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Obviously, it should be named Rideau Point. Gotta be consistent with the street, canal, river, hall, centre, and club.
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At least we didn't rename the country and the city like New Zealand did. Oh wait.
Thankfully both the country and its capital already have Indigenous names.
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I've always found it interesting that the denizens of Ottawa in the middle of the 1800s (not known for being a pro-Indigenous era) chose to rename their city Ottawa, replacing the very properly British Bytown name.
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I've always found it interesting that the denizens of Ottawa in the middle of the 1800s (not known for being a pro-Indigenous era) chose to rename their city Ottawa, replacing the very properly British Bytown name.
Agreed. Same for much of the typology of Canada. It's amazing how much Indigenous words and names of places were adopted for centuries of European colonization.
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Similar change from York to Toronto.
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Thankfully both the country and its capital already have Indigenous names.
And province. The word “Ontario” comes from the Iroquois word “kanadario”, meaning “sparkling” water.
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There was also a romanticism attached at the time to words and names in, or derived from, Indigenous languages. It's also why a bunch of the proposed new states that the United States kept creating west of the Appalachians ended up with euphonious and appropriate names like "Wisconsin" and "Minnesota" rather than some of the alternatives.

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Gatineau wants to rename a park in Hull for Lousie Boudrias, who died in office a few years ago. This would remove from the toponomy the name of another previous City Councillor... who died in office.

We shouldn't bump the honours we bestowed on others for someone else. It's counter productive. Does that mean Boudrias could be bumped as well in 60 years?

How about removing Moussette from the toponomy. Guy was a corrupt Mayor who (I believe) named stuff after himself.

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CHRONIQUE / La Ville de Gatineau croyait faire un bon coup en renommant un parc du secteur Hull en l’honneur de la défunte conseillère Louise Boudrias. Mais la toponymie est une discipline parfois périlleuse, qui exige tact et diplomatie.

C’est que ce parc porte déjà un nom: il honorait la mémoire de Laurent Groulx, lui aussi ex-conseiller de Hull, mort à la fin de son mandat dans les années 1960 d’une thrombose coronarienne.

Sa fille, Francine Groulx, a réagi avec stupeur et incompréhension à ce changement de nom. «Je respecte le travail de Mme Boudrias et sa mémoire. Mais j’aimerais comprendre pourquoi on retire l’hommage attribué à mon père», a-t-elle réagi sur les médias sociaux cette semaine.

e me suis posé la même question que Mme Groulx. Pour la petite histoire, une rue et un CLSC de ma ville natale portent le nom de mon père. S’il fallait que la municipalité retire son nom sans en aviser la famille, j’imagine que nous en serions à la fois attristés et déçus. Est-ce qu’un hommage devient moins mérité à mesure que le temps passe? À mesure que les disparus s’effacent de la mémoire collective?


Laurent Groulx est décédé subitement à 46 ans, en novembre 1968. Sous le choc de sa mort, le conseil municipal de Hull avait même annulé une séance que M. Groulx devait présider en novembre 1968.

«Mon père est décédé en fonction alors que je n’avais que 4 ans, écrit encore Mme Groulx, la plus jeune d’une famille de 10 enfants. J’avais 10 ou 11 ans au moment de l’inauguration du parc. Je me souviens de l’émotion de ma mère lors de cet événement. J’ai agi avec grande fierté à titre de sauveteure à la piscine.»

La mairesse Maude Marquis-Bissonnette a répondu à Mme Groulx via les médias sociaux. «Merci de votre message très légitime», a-t-elle indiqué. Puis elle a souligné que le nom de Laurent Groulx demeurera présent dans la toponymie municipale puisqu’un centre communautaire continuera de porter son nom, tout près du parc Louise-Boudrias, dans le secteur Hull.

On m’a expliqué que les membres du comité de toponymie auraient été très hésitants à faire disparaître complètement le nom de l’ancien conseiller Laurent Groulx. Le fait que deux équipements municipaux portaient déjà son nom a joué dans la décision. D’autant plus que dans des secteurs très développés, comme Hull, il manque d’endroits pour honorer la mémoire des citoyens méritants.

«Les cas de double commémoration, a fait valoir la mairesse Marquis-Bissonnette, représentent souvent des occasions de diversifier les hommages à des personnes qui ont contribué à bâtir notre communauté dans des quartiers déjà bâtis».

Pourquoi ne pas avoir mis la famille dans le coup?

Fort bien, mais je pose la question: pourquoi ne pas avoir mis la famille Groulx dans le coup dès le départ? Pourquoi ne pas les avoir informés à l’avance qu’un parc cesserait de porter le nom de leur père?

«Je l’ai appris dans les médias, dit Francine Groulx. Mon plus vieux frère dit souvent que c’est la ville qui a tué mon père. Le jour où il est mort, il aurait dû prendre congé, il était malade. Pour une grande famille comme la nôtre, son départ a été un coup dur. Et là, la ville lui enlève cet honneur. J’étais estomaquée! Pas plus tard que lundi, je suis allé reconduire quelqu’un dans ce coin-là. Je manifestais ma fierté: le parc Laurent-Groulx, c’est en l’honneur de mon père...»

À des époques différentes, Louise Boudrias et Laurent Groulx ont représenté plus ou moins le même quartier au conseil municipal. Tout comme Mme Boudrias, M. Groulx était un homme fort apprécié de ses commettants et de ses collègues. Il ne s’agit donc pas de choisir le plus méritant des deux.

Dans un article du Droit publié peu après son décès, on décrit Laurent Groulx comme un homme avant-gardiste, intègre, au jugement sûr, qui n’avait pas peur du travail. Il était fonctionnaire fédéral au département du Trésor en même temps que conseiller municipal. «Il mettait tout son cœur à l’ouvrage, et même peut-être un peu trop…», déclarait à son sujet le maire de Hull, Marcel D’Amour.

C’est comme si on avait oublié que Laurent Groulx fut un être de chair et d’os, avec une épouse, des enfants (10!), des petits-enfants... Des gens qui continuent d’éprouver de la fierté pour un père, un grand-père, un homme qu’ils ont connu. Retirer le nom d’un parc n’est pas un geste désincarné ou anodin.
https://www.ledroit.com/chroniques/p...HEBDQF4XDLARY/
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