Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0 - Page 306

Dominion301 · #**6101** Posted **Apr 7, 2022, 3:19 PM**

YOW February pax stats:

Sector / Feb-21 / Feb-22 / % Change
Dom: / 19,182 / 103,471 / +439.4%
TB: 0 / 5,271 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 10,432 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 19,182 / 119,174 / +521.3%

Sector / YTD 2020 / YTD 2021 / % Change
Dom: 53,256 / 201,232 / +277.9%
TB: 0 / 10,539 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 20,075 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 53,256 / 231,846 / +335.3%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2020
Dom: 1,291,926 / +25.2%
TB: 21,781 / -86.6%
Int'l: 35,672 / -78.8%
TTL: 1,349,379 / -73.6%

The meaningful indicator these days

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Jan-21 / Feb-21 / % Change
Dom: 97,761 / 103,471 / +5.8%
TB: 5,268 / 5,271 / +0.1%
Int'l: 9,643 / 10,432 / +8.2%
TTL: 112,672 / 119,174 / +5.8%
Avg/Day: 3,635 / 4,256 / +17.1%

fanofYOW · #**6102** Posted **Apr 7, 2022, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountainView

Through comments on Porter's Instagram page, they have indicated that their E195-E2 seating configuration will be similar to their Dash 8-400s, with two seats on each side of the cabin, all within the same class.

They indicated, again, that routes will be announced in the coming months. Apparently the E195-E2 is due to visit them again in a few weeks.

I can't wait for Porter to start in YOW!!! I'm hoping they add bare basic routes for a city of 1.5 million people like Las Vegas or San Fran.

VaskoYOW · #**6103** Posted **Apr 7, 2022, 8:16 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I can't wait for Porter to start in YOW!!! I'm hoping they add bare basic routes for a city of 1.5 million people like Las Vegas or San Fran.

Porter are currently flying from YOW to Toronto YTZ, Halifax, Fredericton and Moncton! With the addition of the E195-E2 hopefully we do get some transborder routes and maybe Mexico.

fanofYOW · #**6104** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by VaskoYOW

Porter are currently flying from YOW to Toronto YTZ, Halifax, Fredericton and Moncton! With the addition of the E195-E2 hopefully we do get some transborder routes and maybe Mexico.

Sorry, that's what I meant haha. I meant I can't wait for them to start with the new jets. Ottawa is long overdue for destinations like Vegas and California. Could Porter finally be the one to fill those gaps? I hope so.

wingman · #**6105** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 3:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Sorry, that's what I meant haha. I meant I can't wait for them to start with the new jets. Ottawa is long overdue for destinations like Vegas and California. Could Porter finally be the one to fill those gaps? I hope so.

Depends on their connection options imo. For single destination, they would be major winners I think... but for onward travellers, AC would more than likely still be king in the short term. That being said, there is a major opportunity there. My understanding is Porter has an agreement with JetBlue from BOS and EWR.

Tesladom · #**6106** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 4:39 PM**

Not enough demand for YOW-SFO without factoring US and international connections agreements from SFO, but that would be tricky since all you connections need to line up.
Westjet used to do YOW-LAS, there is a market there for 3x weekly especially if conventions really start up again

Dominion301 · #**6107** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tesladom

Not enough demand for YOW-SFO without factoring US and international connections agreements from SFO, but that would be tricky since all you connections need to line up.
Westjet used to do YOW-LAS, there is a market there for 3x weekly especially if conventions really start up again

They'd definitely need two things to make YOW-SFO/LAX/LAS work:
1) A bank of feed flights
2) Interlines with international carriers and a codeshare with the likes of AS that is #2 at SFO.

Today's departure count: 48

Coho · #**6108** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 11:03 PM**

Long time lurker, first time poster..

I would love to see some more evening transborder flights out of YOW to allow for post-work connections. Would definitely utilize them to get out of town on a Friday night after work and come back Sunday evening for quick weekend trips to Boston, NYC, Washington, etc.

I was disappointed to see that UA had removed their 3rd daily YOW-EWR that left around 6 or 7 pm (started in June I think?). I'm also booked on AC's YOW-DCA on a Friday in May that was scheduled to leave at 6pm but have to now use a vacation day since it was changed to an 8am departure.

As for Porter, if they could Interline with Alaska that would be amazing. I'm originally from the West Coast so have a ton of Alaska miles as they were always my go to when flying to the US but now they're somewhat orphaned since AA doesn't even fly from YOW. If I want to redeem them I'd have to fly out of/into YUL.

fanofYOW · #**6109** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 11:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dominion301

They'd definitely need two things to make YOW-SFO/LAX/LAS work:
1) A bank of feed flights
2) Interlines with international carriers and a codeshare with the likes of AS that is #2 at SFO.

Today's departure count: 48

YOW's O&D numbers for SFO seems to be close to 50k and Vegas over 50k from the data that was posted here back in 2017. Honestly in my opinion, I have full confidence this could work! Especially if they feed Ottawa with passengers from Moncton, Fredericton, and Halifax and time the flights properly so they can connect here. I do hope Porter does some type of codeshare with AA. Pure speculation on my part: but I think they might, because if you look at Porter's future route map, almost all US destinations are hubs for AA. but again, 100% speculation and hopeful thinking. Would be nice to slash off 2-3 hours of travel time from Ottawa to Hawaii let's say by going through SFO than YVR.

waterloowarrior · #**6110** Posted **Apr 8, 2022, 11:37 PM**

I am taking an evening YUL-SFO flight next month and would love a direct flight from YOW. Was there ever a direct flight during the 1990s high tech boom to SFO or SJC?

HighwayStar · #**6111** Posted **Apr 9, 2022, 12:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

I am taking an evening YUL-SFO flight next month and would love a direct flight from YOW. Was there ever a direct flight during the 1990s high tech boom to SFO or SJC?

Yes…. YOW-SJC (believe it or not) on AC with a 319 in 2001…. Lasted for just a couple of months. I was working at Nortel at the time and was THRILLED as Nortel was about 20 minutes from SJC. Never did fly it though.

Not sure if 9/11 was the nail in the coffin, or something else.

Only “proof” I can find is this tangential reference.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/432720-time-yow-sjc-again.html

rocketphish · #**6112** Posted **Apr 9, 2022, 2:39 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coho

Long time lurker, first time poster..

I would love to see some more evening transborder flights out of YOW to allow for post-work connections. Would definitely utilize them to get out of town on a Friday night after work and come back Sunday evening for quick weekend trips to Boston, NYC, Washington, etc.

I was disappointed to see that UA had removed their 3rd daily YOW-EWR that left around 6 or 7 pm (started in June I think?). I'm also booked on AC's YOW-DCA on a Friday in May that was scheduled to leave at 6pm but have to now use a vacation day since it was changed to an 8am departure.

As for Porter, if they could Interline with Alaska that would be amazing. I'm originally from the West Coast so have a ton of Alaska miles as they were always my go to when flying to the US but now they're somewhat orphaned since AA doesn't even fly from YOW. If I want to redeem them I'd have to fly out of/into YUL.

Lurk no longer. Welcome to the forum!

Dominion301 · #**6113** Posted **Apr 9, 2022, 7:25 PM**

Today's departure count: 41

Dominion301 · #**6114** Posted **Apr 10, 2022, 9:55 PM**

Today's departure count: 44

roger1818 · #**6115** Posted **Apr 11, 2022, 12:58 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighwayStar

Yes…. YOW-SJC (believe it or not) on AC with a 319 in 2001…. Lasted for just a couple of months. I was working at Nortel at the time and was THRILLED as Nortel was about 20 minutes from SJC. Never did fly it though.

Not sure if 9/11 was the nail in the coffin, or something else.

Only “proof” I can find is this tangential reference.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/432720-time-yow-sjc-again.html

I also remember it. I think it was the huge tech slowdown in the early 2000's that killed it (though I am sure 9/11 didn't help either).

Dominion301 · #**6116** Posted **Apr 11, 2022, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

I also remember it. I think it was the huge tech slowdown in the early 2000's that killed it (though I am sure 9/11 didn't help either).

What also killed it was everyone wanted SFO for connections to UA, but AC didn't want to hand over traffic to UA, especially transpac traffic. So AC essentially set it up destined to fail. Remember RDU, which was dubbed the Nortel Shuttle and was sustainable with 50 pax 'cause it could be flown with a CRJ, also died shortly after SJC...but it lasted a lot longer and for a couple of years even peaked at 2x daily.

Today's departure count: 49 - the most since early January + a hockey charter to DTW.

fanofYOW · #**6117** Posted **Apr 12, 2022, 3:32 PM**

Wow SJC.... Never thought that ever existed. Either way, I'm way too excited to hear what Porter's plans will be for their new jets! Apparently they commented on someone's post on Facebook stating that they will release plans for initial routes in late spring. Here's my major hopes that are pure speculation for me: a codeshare deal with AA (easier access Pacific destinations from SFO, slashing at least 2 hours from travel time), basic transborder routes for a city of 1.5 million people where we don't have to go through Toronto for (LA, SFO, LAX, etc.), and free wifi (haha).

By the way, is this article true?
https://www.traveldailynews.com/post/202...e-seats-available-from-frankfurt-airport

It says Lufthansa is starting in Ottawa this June but nothing is bookable.