YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Really would have liked them to incorporate another hotel there to be honest. One with a little less luxury and more functional than the Fairmont, charging more accessible prices would do quite well I think.

The location really didn't make sense for a utility building. Commercial a little better. Heck we could've built a mini-mall there with a centrepiece like the Changi Waterfall and have better utilized the space.

Better option for a second hotel would be a twin of the current hotel just east of the current tower with terminal and gate space below.

A more economical hotel next to the skytain station at the outlet mall would also be a bonus.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

Do you think AC will ever resume TPE? Their times (and fares) were much better than EVA.

Is TPE even scheduled to open up at all this year?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Lexus

2022, March 2. Took these when was at YVR picking up my parents from Ukraine ������������

Untitled by Lexus LX570, on Flickr….

Just reread this. Glad to hear your parents were able to get out safely from Ukraine during this terrible time. 🇺🇦

[ninjakafi_81]

Not really YVR related but Air Tahiti Nui will launching a new flight to Seattle this October.

Air Tahiti Nui adds Papeete to Seattle route

Air Tahiti Nui has revealed that it will introduce 2x weekly flights between Papeete (PPT) and Seattle (SEA) as of October 4, 2022. The flight will operate with the following schedule:

TN52 Papeete to Seattle departing 10:00PM arriving 10:25AM (+1 day)
TN51 Seattle to Papeete departing 12:40PM arriving 7:30PM

The flight will operate eastbound on Tuesdays and Saturdays, and westbound on Wednesdays and Sundays. The flight will cover a distance of 4,784 miles in each direction, and is blocked at 9hr25min eastbound and 9hr30min westbound.

Air Tahiti Nui operates a fleet of four Boeing 787-9s, each featuring 294 seats. This includes 30 business class seats, 32 premium economy seats, and 232 economy class seats.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-tahiti-nui-seattle-alaska-airlines/

[Klazu]

That's unfortunate. It would have been great to have them offer that from Vancouver instead, especially since they flew through here throughout the pandemic.

Do they codeshare with any alliance or airline, i.e. would a connecting flight out of YVR still be convenient for flying to PPT? I have never looked up the flight time before, but 9.5 hours has Tahiti damn far from here.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by Klazu

That's unfortunate. It would have been great to have them offer that from Vancouver instead, especially since they flew through here throughout the pandemic.

Do they codeshare with any alliance or airline, i.e. would a connecting flight out of YVR still be convenient for flying to PPT? I have never looked up the flight time before, but 9.5 hours has Tahiti damn far from here.

Yes, too bad YVR couldn't keep this one. It would have been a nifty addition to our destination roster. But at 4 million people and a centre of corporate wealth, it's logical that Seattle gets it.

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by Klazu

That's unfortunate. It would have been great to have them offer that from Vancouver instead, especially since they flew through here throughout the pandemic.

Do they codeshare with any alliance or airline, i.e. would a connecting flight out of YVR still be convenient for flying to PPT? I have never looked up the flight time before, but 9.5 hours has Tahiti damn far from here.

It's super unfortunate that we couldn't have them fly to YVR instead of SEA.

They'll be launching a new partnership with Alaska Airlines from April.

With that said, I'm quite amazed at how quickly SEA has been growing over the past couple of years. They've picked up Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines, Finnair, and now Air Tahiti Nui. Qantas is also eyeing down Seattle.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

It's super unfortunate that we couldn't have them fly to YVR instead of SEA.

They'll be launching a new partnership with Alaska Airlines from April.

With that said, I'm quite amazed at how quickly SEA has been growing over the past couple of years. They've picked up Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines, Finnair, and now Air Tahiti Nui. Qantas is also eyeing down Seattle.

Yes & Vancouver YVR competition in Western/Central Northern America on most International flight routes is mainly Calgary, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Las Vegas, Denver, Phoenix & Salt Lake City etc.

And plus alot of these International flights to Europe or Asia from those 13 cities I mentioned above can overfly YVR too.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

It's super unfortunate that we couldn't have them fly to YVR instead of SEA.

They'll be launching a new partnership with Alaska Airlines from April.

With that said, I'm quite amazed at how quickly SEA has been growing over the past couple of years. They've picked up Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines, Finnair, and now Air Tahiti Nui. Qantas is also eyeing down Seattle.

Is there any market from YVR though? Demand to Tahiti seems to mostly come from the US west coast anyways.
On another note, I'm very excited to see Jetblue coming to YVR in June! I wonder if BOS eventually goes year round.

[Johnny Aussie]

This week is seeing a lot of increases to Europe:

LH back to daily 744s to FRA
LH increases MUC to 5 weekly
KL to AMS increasing to 5 weekly
AF to CDG back to 3 weekly

BA continuing with daily 772 flights (A380 starts 1 June)
AC has also increased the daily YVR-LHR to a 77W
TK now flying the slightly larger 359 thrice weekly to IST

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

It's super unfortunate that we couldn't have them fly to YVR instead of SEA.

They'll be launching a new partnership with Alaska Airlines from April.

With that said, I'm quite amazed at how quickly SEA has been growing over the past couple of years. They've picked up Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines, Finnair, and now Air Tahiti Nui. Qantas is also eyeing down Seattle.

YVR, and Vancouver's supposed pre-eminence as THE destination hub of the Pacific Northwest seems to be evaporating inexorably. That's a shame, but I guess logical, Seattle being the major city that it is.

[Denscity]

Internationally per capita Vancouver is excellent and I think Seattle is still lacking as their population is higher yet has less flights.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Internationally per capita Vancouver is excellent and I think Seattle is still lacking as their population is higher yet has fewer flights.

Yes, I agree with what you say ... in relative terms. But in absolute terms, the main PNW international hub will be SEA, I am sure ... not that it matters ... or does it?

[Johnny Aussie]

Totally disagree.

YVR will still stand out as one the main PNW hubs. YVR, although not as economically powerful as SEA, will still have a large draw globally. Just look at what’s happening and it’s not bad at all.

It’s more like SEA is finally catching up to more of where it should be.

[casper]

Originally Posted by wabooba

Yes, I agree with what you say ... in relative terms. But in absolute terms, the main PNW international hub will be SEA, I am sure ... not that it matters ... or does it?

It does not matter. The factors driving YVR growth are independent of SEA.

SEA is physically constrained. The new expansion gives them more breathing wrong, however they are still working with limited available land to expand beyond where they are currently. AS and Delta have hubs and will want always consume a large number of slots for smaller aircraft doing regional service.

YVR has lots of space to grow. Serves a different market.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Totally disagree.

YVR will still stand out as one the main PNW hubs. YVR, although not as economically powerful as SEA, will still have a large draw globally. Just look at what’s happening and it’s not bad at all.

It’s more like SEA is finally catching up to more of where it should be.

Yes, you're right. I can see that Seattle is catching up to where it should be, but it has 2/3 ME3, and if it gets South America, that will be a big game-changer in Seattle's favor, I would think, but I hope you're right. A route development officer at YVR once said Lima was a possibility, but that faded away. Nevertheless, what you said about Seattle catching up rings very true. Thanks for that encouraging feedback.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by hehehe

Is there any market from YVR though? Demand to Tahiti seems to mostly come from the US west coast anyways.
On another note, I'm very excited to see Jetblue coming to YVR in June! I wonder if BOS eventually goes year round.

Largest markets from North America to French Polynesia are the US West Coast (with LAX being the big one), followed by NYC and YUL.

TN tried JFK a few years back. It failed miserably. So it's safe to say that starting a route outside the US west coast is a risky move by TN.

They are dipping their toes in SEA to see how it fares. A market of 4M+, with huge AS feed, and it's still only 2x weekly service. Tells you all you need to know about TN flights to French Polynesia and how difficult it is to fill them and make a profit.

Even flights from LAX often have empty seats, apparently.

[zahav]

PPT is a very niche market, it's far and an expensive destination. LAX works because of it's massive market and being a main connection point into NA. I don't think SEA has what it takes to keep it. Alaska is a big player at LAX as well (not to mention One World partner AA), so a lot of connections on AS can be made thru LAX very easily as well. I don't think this was a snub or anything.

EK isn't at YVR because of other factors, not demand. They would have loved to serve YVR for years but couldn't get the approvals the way they wanted it.

SEA is just playing catch-up for sure, they have always been the largest and most important city in the PNW, it isn't that Seattle has leapfrogged in importance. YVR has gained a lot of service as well, so I think it's proving there's demand for both to grow.

YVR could have a leg-up on South American destinations since many people avoid transiting thru the US still (ie. China to SA). And I don't think SEA is big on the radar of SA airlines in general, they serve so many of the big US cities in the West already, not a huge reason to add another. But YVR would add a popular destination and transit point outside of the US. But who know, maybe one day. I think Aviance to BOG would be good, they are a natural jumping off point to the rest of SA and reasonable distance to YVR

[zahav]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This week is seeing a lot of increases to Europe:

LH back to daily 744s to FRA
LH increases MUC to 5 weekly
KL to AMS increasing to 5 weekly
AF to CDG back to 3 weekly

BA continuing with daily 772 flights (A380 starts 1 June)
AC has also increased the daily YVR-LHR to a 77W
TK now flying the slightly larger 359 thrice weekly to IST

And then starting May 31st, TK will upgauge YVR to the 77W, the largest in their fleet, . Would be nice if the upped the frequency, but at least a larger aircraft shows confidence.

Poor HKG is really taking a pounding in their demand. AC has dropped YYZ-HKG all the way until September, while maintaining daily YVR-HKG. CX has cut both bath to 3 and 2 times a week, respectively. They are really feeling the pain from COVID still, while other places have opened back up. I hope this changes soon, for their sake, that city is energetic due to it being an international hub, closing it off is not going over well with locals.

Just taking a look at the number of non-Canadian airlines at the big 4 airports, this is the service this summer. NOTE: although Chinese airlines are flying to YVR and YYZ on a limited basis, I didn't include any of them on this list because the flights are so restricted amongst continued shut down. So there should be a couple more international on that list for YVR and YYZ, but kept them off. It also doesn't include airlines that 'officially' have service to a city but aren't actually operating this summer:

YYZ
INT - 29
US - 3

YVR
INT - 20
US - 6

YUL
INT - 18
US - 3

YYC
INT - 3
US - 4

You can see how the "big four" doesn't extend to an international scale. I don't think YVR should be embarassed by its service level, as much as the doom and gloom naysayers on this forum want to believe

[wabooba]

Thank you for this, it is informative But something I can't get:.

At the bottom are those statistics for the big four YYZ - Toronto, YVR - Vancouver, YUL = Montreal, and YYC Calgary.
What I do not understand is this: There are two sets of numbers for each airport. Looking at the upper numbers, I presume this is the number of foreign destinations:
YYZ - 29 InternationaL Destinations / YVR 20 International destinations / YUL - 18, and YYC 3 international. Makes sense.
But what I do not understand is the lower set of digits, the US figures. Are those US destinations? The numbers seem too small.

YYZ
INT - 29
US - 3

YVR
INT - 20
US - 6

YUL
INT - 18
US - 3

YYC
INT - 3
US - 4

It is no doubt a misinterpretation on my part, but might you explain?
Thank you

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I just got it, I think. That's the numbers of foreign airlines / US airlines at each (?)
Now it makes sense. I can't believe here at YVR there are 20 foreign airlines though. Wow !!