SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[IrvineNative]

We all know that San Diego scrapped parking minimums for all multifamily residential and most dining establishments in transit priority areas.

But apparently they removed parking minimums for office?

See p. 25 and p. 37. Zero minimum parking requirements for office and retail in transit priority areas! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...ECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2bT6tTIuorgAA4NfThSbOX

This is great news! No wonder why RaDD is 1.6 M sq ft office space but has a suspiciously low parking stall count of 1,367, less than 1 space per 1K sq ft! (Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...ECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZCP4PaCbog5jmar_4DJdg)

The bad news: office TPA parking maximums are still high, at 6 or so spaces per 1K sq ft. Compare this with Downtown Seattle, where the parking MAX is 1 spot per 1K sq ft office!

More good news: SDSU Mission Valley will not only have no parking mins for any residential, classroom, labs, or offices, there'll be parking maxes of 1.25 per residential unit and 3.25 per 1K sq ft office/classroom/lab, and all parking (including for offices) will be unbundled, and most if not all the parking will be underground.

SDSU Mission Valley is the perfect TOD storm. Most cities around the US would kill to have a TOD like it. But SANDAG needs to increase Green Line frequencies to 7.5 minutes, because 15 minute frequencies are far too inconvenient for short trolley trips around Mission Valley and for anyone transferring from a bus to the Green Line.

[TimeToBuild]

Originally Posted by SDCAL

Is 7th/Market (Ritz Carlton hotel project) dead?

I can’t believe that prime site is STILL a surface parking lot.

At what point can new plans be worked on? This is turning into another Manchester disaster. That prime bay front land rotted for years and years while Manchester sat on it with his lofty plans, then when he finally started his big development he couldn’t even finish it.

On their website, it lists 2025 as the completion date for the project. Their public comments the last few years on the project have aligned with that. Cisterra is currently putting up the Radian and can imagine they are betting on that along with other recent/future developments making the area more desirable than it is now. Not to mention timing a return of significant conference/convention/business travel

[mello]

San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by mello

San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground

Doesn't the Gaslamp border run along 6th Ave? So the Ritz would only technically be a block away, less than 300 ft. It's also under a 5 min walk to Petco Park.

Maybe there are better locations? I'm not too familiar with DTSD, but it's certainly not a bad location by any means.

[SAN Man]

Originally Posted by mello

San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground

I see what you're saying and I don't disagree. My post was relating on the standpoint of a Ritz guest.

It's close to the Gaslamp, but not as close as the Pendry or Hard Rock, or even the Palomar on the upper end of the Gaslamp. The Gaslamp is kind of like The Strip. Being on the Strip is a gamechanger compared to being close to the Strip, even though our blocks are tiny, guests want to be able to walk out and be part of something.

I would guess that Ritz guests and clientele would prefer to stay on 6th along Balboa Park than on mid-Market St in downtown.

[SAN Man]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Doesn't the Gaslamp border run along 6th Ave? So the Ritz would only technically be a block away, less than 300 ft. It's also under a 5 min walk to Petco Park.

Maybe there are better locations? I'm not too familiar with DTSD, but it's certainly not a bad location by any means.

"The Gaslamp" runs along 5th ave, some of the "Gaslamp" bars and nightlife spills out on 4th and 6th. Along 6th, the old Omnia has now been reinvested as NOVA and should attract big name DJs, but the epicenter is still along 5th.

[Streamliner]

I was downtown last night (Thursday) and Little Italy was booming with street life. I've never seen it so busy. I drove through Gaslamp as well, and it wasn't nearly as bustling.

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by TimeToBuild

On their website, it lists 2025 as the completion date for the project. Their public comments the last few years on the project have aligned with that. Cisterra is currently putting up the Radian and can imagine they are betting on that along with other recent/future developments making the area more desirable than it is now. Not to mention timing a return of significant conference/convention/business travel

Which website are you referring to?

The Cisterra website says full entitlements expected to break ground in 2020 with a 2023 completion:

https://www.cisterra.com/7thandmarket

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by SAN Man

I have always thought that that's a strange place to have a luxurious brand like the Ritz Carlton.
Waterfront - nope.
Gaslamp - nope.
Fronting a large city park - nope.
Near the convention center - nope.
Near the core of office towers and courts - nope.
Busy, street with busses - yep.
Homeless, street people presence - yep.

I would scrap the Ritz and replace it with something that will work right away. A mixed use, apartments, maybe a smaller boutique hotel with ground floor retail.

I don’t disagree, I would have though SD’s first large 5 star downtown hotel would be on the bay, but I’m guessing they did market research that shows that location would be profitable. I’m just tired of that spot being an eyesore. It’s been literally like 20 years that spot has had plans that never happen. Before the Ritz proposal there was some other large project proposed that ended with some scandal with city officials (I don’t remember the exact details, but it was discussed on this forum like 10 or more years ago)

[TimeToBuild]

Originally Posted by SDCAL

Which website are you referring to?

The Cisterra website says full entitlements expected to break ground in 2020 with a 2023 completion:

https://www.cisterra.com/7thandmarket

Projected Completion: 2025

Location: Downtown San Diego

Project Type: Mixed-Use

Size: 785,000 SF

LEED Rating: Gold

Architect: Carrier Johnson + CULTURE

Contractor: Suffolk

copy and pasted from the website its in bold on the left hand side of the linked page you posted

[TimeToBuild]

https://images1.loopnet.com/d2/f-J66XAwx...puL1KM/7th%20and%20marketOM%20draft7.pdf

Speaking of 7th & Market did you all catch the plans for the project across the street?

Luxe 702

[roletand]

Originally Posted by roletand

The site at 445 West Ash has covered walkways in place on Ash and A Streets as of today. More significant construction fencing on the other sides.

The building at 445 West Ash is now rubble and all the trees are cleared from the lot. Hopefully they break ground soon!

[JSW]

Speaking of Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.

[roletand]

Originally Posted by JSW

Speakof Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.

I had a feeling Simone was going to be tall, but that composite really shows it compared to neighboring buildings. Thanks!

Construction is moving along non-stop on that one. The last article I read targeted late 2023 for completion/opening.

[SAN Man]

Originally Posted by JSW

Speaking of Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.

Nice rendering! That one is going up fast and is adding nice height to the area. Speaking of height, how many tower cranes are currently up in downtown?

10?

[IrvineNative]

Speaking of tower cranes I saw a tower crane on Google Streetview on Morena Blvd and I thought, how nice! Finally breaking that 30 foot height limit with some density, eh? But nope. Closer scrutiny revealed that they used a tower crane to build a dwarfish three story building. Why bother with a tower crane for three stories?

[JSW]

Originally Posted by SAN Man

Speaking of height, how many tower cranes are currently up in downtown?

10?

Off the top of my head, we have:

Simone
RaDD cluster (not sure how many are actully UC)
Diega's next door brother
Broadway Tower 2
Courthouse Commons
The one on G with the preserved facade that will have a Target

[IrvineNative]

Hazard Center Drive Extension is speculated to open in a few months. Apparently the extension is required to open before 473 housing units can be built on Hazard Center.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...BAgGEAI&usg=AOvVaw2smgsJWxPWMkfC4yMQfQxO

[aekrid]

Stopped by my office today. Savoring the view of balboa park before the next crane jump.

[mello]

Wow only took 40 years!! Just did a search and according to a KFMB article an 8 floor apartment building with 2 floors of underground parking (I'm assuming for the public as well) will go in its place. Also a nice new retail space on 5th ave. Well finally some good news for HC. The article also said the 76 Gas Station on 6th and Robinson is set for demolition it did not say what will be replacing it. I'm assuming more residential.

I remember hearing maybe 4 or 5 years ago now that the entire block of 6th Ave commercial spaces south of that gas station had been sold and was set to be taken down and a tall building with residential going in. Haven't heard any updates.