YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

AA to PHX was cut ages ago.

Looks like transborder in the summer is ramping up to be a busy one as recovery continues.

As of now the US carriers are scheduling approx 35 daily:

United 13 daily to SFO/ORD/DEN/LAX/IAH/EWR
Delta 8 daily to SEA/SLC/MSP
Alaska 8 daily to SEA/PDX
American 4 daily to DFW/ORD/LAX
JetBlue 2 daily to BOS/JFK *new*
Sun Country 2 weekly to MSP *new*

Delta tends to update/add a bit later

AC and WS and Flair also ramping up for summer
Nice to see AC Dreamliners back on EWR

California Dreaming? - almost 30 daily alone!

SFO 11-12 daily
LAX 10 daily
SAN 2-3 daily
SNA 2 daily
SMF 1 daily
BUR 4 weekly
PSP 2 weekly

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by casper

Probably. Seoul or Tokyo.

I'm not sure you can transfer through Tokyo as I believe you have to clear immigration.

Originally Posted by xd_1771

We will lose our direct connection to Tokyo Haneda in a few weeks

ANA emailed sometime recently saying their flight will switch to Narita on March 1st.

The new flights will run Mon-Wed-Sat (rather than Mon-Wed-Fri) and going west will leave at 11:20AM and arrive at Narita at 2:50PM the next day, a full 4 hours earlier than the flight to Haneda (which makes up a bit), along with a reduction in scheduled flight time by 1 hour starting March 13. Going east however will now need to be at Narita for a 6PM departure (rather than ~10PM Haneda), arriving home at around 11AM.

Oh man... are you serious? Any word on if that's permanent? Why!!!!!?

I can't stand flying through Narita. The transfer to Haneda for anything domestic is annoying.

[micmiko]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I'm not sure you can transfer through Tokyo as I believe you have to clear immigration.

If the Japanese government still allows transit, then same-day transfers are still allowed without needing to clear immigration so long as they are within the same airport. This means that going forward, it would have to be through NRT. Flights must leave on the same day as arrival at NRT.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by micmiko

If the Japanese government still allows transit, then same-day transfers are still allowed without needing to clear immigration so long as they are within the same airport. This means that going forward, it would have to be through NRT. Flights must leave on the same day as arrival at NRT.

This is correct, Japan still allows transfers last I checked from the same airport provided you do not clear immigration into the country.

They ARE taking the first of many many steps to re-opening their borders though so the picture may be different by the summer.

Just going to leave this here as well as this was the official communication from ANA regarding the switch from Haneda to Narita for YVR flights. Overall, my personal opinion is that the flight times are slightly worse-timed.

<Vancouver= Haneda (Tokyo) route>
Flight Number: NH115 / NH116
Days of Operation: Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays (3 flights/week)

Operation Period: until February 28, 2022
NH115: Vancouver departure 3:15 pm / Haneda arrival 6:45 pm (next day)
NH116: Haneda departure 9:55 pm / Vancouver arrival 1:45 pm (same day)

<Vancouver= Narita (Tokyo) route>
Flight Number: NH135 / NH136
Days of Operation: Mondays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays (3 flights/week)

Operation Period: March 1 - March 12, 2022
NH135: Vancouver departure 11:20 am / Narita arrival 2:50 pm (next day)
NH136: Narita departure 6:00 pm / Vancouver arrival 9:50 am (same day)

Operation Period: March 13 - June 30, 2022
NH135: Vancouver departure 12:20 pm / Narita arrival 2:50 pm (next day)
NH136: Narita departure 6:00 pm / Vancouver arrival 10:50 am (same day)

[Johnny Aussie]

Summer 2022 Europe network update

86 flights per week on 10 different carriers:

AC LHR 2 x Daily 789
AC FRA Daily 77W
AC DUB 4 x weekly 788
AC ZRH 5 x weekly 789

LH FRA Daily 744
LH MUC Daily 359

BA LHR Daily 388

KL AMS Daily 772

AF CDG Daily 789

WS LGW Daily 789

DE FRA 4 x weekly 763

WK ZRH 3 x weekly 343

FI KEF 4 x weekly 75W

TK IST 3 x weekly 789

Changes since last post are both AC LHR daily flights now scheduled on 789s instead of a 789/788 split.
KLM now showing the 772 for the entire summer schedule

Also to note:
Condor has dropped its plans to fly to YYC. Therefore, YVR and YXY are the remaining Western Canada destinations for them this summer (YXY maintains one weekly flight)
British also not resuming YYC, so YVR remains their only Western Canada destination. And of course they are bringing back their A380 on the YVR-LHR route!
Also with Icelandair not resuming YEG, YVR will be the only Western Canada destination for them.

[Denscity]

Mmm A380.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by micmiko

If the Japanese government still allows transit, then same-day transfers are still allowed without needing to clear immigration so long as they are within the same airport. This means that going forward, it would have to be through NRT. Flights must leave on the same day as arrival at NRT.

My Japanese friend is headed to Japan to visit family in a couple of weeks and is saying he has to endure a forced government quarantine in NRT for 3 days before continuing on to KIX. So is a same day transfer even possible if one has to quarantine?

[micmiko]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

My Japanese friend is headed to Japan to visit family in a couple of weeks and is saying he has to endure a forced government quarantine in NRT for 3 days before continuing on to KIX. So is a same day transfer even possible if one has to quarantine?

I was referring to int'l-int'l transfers, so the traveller would not step on Japanese soil (thus not needing to clear immigration), and if at NRT, only if it's a same-day flight meaning arrival of incoming int'l flight and departure of outgoing int'l flight are on the same day. If your friend is doing an int'l-domestic transfer, I'd assume they'd need to clear immigration and comply with whatever quarantine requirements are needed as they are physically entering Japan.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Mmm A380.

You bet!
Not many airports worldwide these days served by 388s and 744s… and throw in the few 343s still flying pax flights and YVR will see those again this summer too!

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You bet!
Not many airports worldwide these days served by 388s and 744s… and throw in the few 343s still flying pax flights and YVR will see those again this summer too!

Amazing! YVR definitely punches above it's weight.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

My Japanese friend is headed to Japan to visit family in a couple of weeks and is saying he has to endure a forced government quarantine in NRT for 3 days before continuing on to KIX. So is a same day transfer even possible if one has to quarantine?

Being "forced" to endure a 3-day quarantine in Japan is pretty cushy. Government foots the bill as well.

But yeah, government pays for a hotel for 3-days... and then you are meant to self-quarantine at home.

Related: If you get COVID in Japan... the government sends you a care package.

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[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Being "forced" to endure a 3-day quarantine in Japan is pretty cushy. Government foots the bill as well.

But yeah, government pays for a hotel for 3-days... and then you are meant to self-quarantine at home.

His words!

Guess he didn’t realize, considering the experiences many told of arriving in Canada when quarantine was required here!

[Johnny Aussie]

Air Canada launching Austin year-round 4x weekly

Effective 1 June on 737 MAX 8s

AC 1062 YVR 0840 - 1455 AUS 1357 7M8
AC 1063 AUS 1545 - 1818 YVR 1357 7M8

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2022-02-...work-this-Summer-as-Recovery-Accelerates

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by nname

Flight time is only 3 hours. Don't forget to add 1 hour going from Alaska to Pacific time.

But you never know what people will do to save a few hundred bucks on their vacation...

Another possible scenario is people staying a couple of nights after ship docks in Alaska.

Summer days in ANC, Alaska are long so you’re making good use of your time in the Far North. Even in the end of April, the Sun doesn’t set until 10pm.

1am is a tough time but allows you to make the most of your time I guess

[hehehe]

AC says it's launching YVR-YHZ but isn't that already flown?

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Air Canada launching Austin year-round 4x weekly

Effective 1 June on 737 MAX 8s

AC 1062 YVR 0840 - 1455 AUS 1357 7M8
AC 1063 AUS 1545 - 1818 YVR 1357 7M8

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2022-02-...work-this-Summer-as-Recovery-Accelerates

Interesting, well the Air Canada Vancouver YVR - Austin route will be the only 1 from Western Canada to AUS this Summer 2022 as WestJet’s Calgary YYC - Austin is gone for Summer.

[nname]

Originally Posted by hehehe

AC says it's launching YVR-YHZ but isn't that already flown?

No. Last year was scheduled, but never flown.




Interesting choice for AUS though. I thought they would try something like IAD first. YVR-AUS isn't really particular high in the O&D traffic list, but the last release for the data was all the way back in 2014:

✅ Los Angeles, California		631,635
✅ San Francisco/Oakland, California	342,968
✅ Hawaii, Hawaii			323,347
✅ Las Vegas, Nevada			227,570
✅ New York, New York			183,635
✅ Phoenix, Arizona			134,349
✅ Chicago, Illinois			113,789
✅ Palm Springs, California		 79,381
❌ Washington/Baltimore, DC		 65,780
☑️ Boston, Massachusetts		 62,730
✅ Denver, Colorado			 58,850
✅ Houston, Texas			 58,560
✅ San Diego, California		 55,439
☑️ Orlando, Florida			 55,263
✅ Portland, Oregon			 53,100
✅ Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas		 50,269
❌ Fort Lauderdale, Florida		 42,596
✅ Seattle/Tacoma, Washington		 42,040
   Miami, Florida			 39,521
❌ Atlanta, Georgia			 35,760
   Philadelphia, Pennsylvania		 30,800
✅ Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota	 29,050
✅ Salt Lake City, Utah			 25,300
☑️ Anchorage, Alaska			 23,180
❌ Detroit, Michigan			 22,910
   Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida	 21,899
✅ Austin, Texas			 21,880
✅ Sacramento, California		 21,630
   New Orleans, Louisiana		 18,700
   Charlotte, North Carolina		 15,170
   Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina	 13,800
   Nashville, Tennessee			 13,000
   St. Louis, Missouri			 12,730
   San Antonio, Texas			 11,120
   Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania		 11,000
   Kansas City, Missouri		 10,670
   Indianapolis, Indiana		 10,470

✅ Year-round, ☑️ Seasonal/Limited service, ❌ Suspended since 2020

I think IAD and MCO was on the plan AC released years ago. Not sure if they're still planning on starting those routes.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by nname

No. Last year was scheduled, but never flown.




Interesting choice for AUS though. I thought they would try something like IAD first. YVR-AUS isn't really particular high in the O&D traffic list, but the last release for the data was all the way back in 2014:

✅ Los Angeles, California		631,635
✅ San Francisco/Oakland, California	342,968
✅ Hawaii, Hawaii			323,347
✅ Las Vegas, Nevada			227,570
✅ New York, New York			183,635
✅ Phoenix, Arizona			134,349
✅ Chicago, Illinois			113,789
✅ Palm Springs, California		 79,381
❌ Washington/Baltimore, DC		 65,780
☑️ Boston, Massachusetts		 62,730
✅ Denver, Colorado			 58,850
✅ Houston, Texas			 58,560
✅ San Diego, California		 55,439
☑️ Orlando, Florida			 55,263
✅ Portland, Oregon			 53,100
✅ Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas		 50,269
❌ Fort Lauderdale, Florida		 42,596
✅ Seattle/Tacoma, Washington		 42,040
   Miami, Florida			 39,521
❌ Atlanta, Georgia			 35,760
   Philadelphia, Pennsylvania		 30,800
✅ Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota	 29,050
✅ Salt Lake City, Utah			 25,300
☑️ Anchorage, Alaska			 23,180
❌ Detroit, Michigan			 22,910
   Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida	 21,899
✅ Austin, Texas			 21,880
✅ Sacramento, California		 21,630
   New Orleans, Louisiana		 18,700
   Charlotte, North Carolina		 15,170
   Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina	 13,800
   Nashville, Tennessee			 13,000
   St. Louis, Missouri			 12,730
   San Antonio, Texas			 11,120
   Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania		 11,000
   Kansas City, Missouri		 10,670
   Indianapolis, Indiana		 10,470

✅ Year-round, ☑️ Seasonal/Limited service, ❌ Suspended since 2020

I think IAD and MCO was on the plan AC released years ago. Not sure if they're still planning on starting those routes.

Thank you for that information! I think MCO is very logical from YVR and odd (but still nice) that AUS was chosen before IAD.

[thenoflyzone]

YVR-AUS O&D was over 32,000 in 2018.

[Denscity]

So MIA is missing in action. Due to distance?