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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 11:34 PM
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Yeah, something was wrong in a major way, but we're trying to improve on that.

I am still amazed that residential schools were still operating up until the 1990s
Honest question here, when it is stated that residential schools still operated until the 90’s what does that actually mean?

Were they operating in the same function as they did in the early 1900’s?

Or was it simply the same buildings being used as schools?

Or something in the middle?

I just can’t help but feel there is some info or nuance omitted in the “operating until the 90’s” headline.
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Honest question here, when it is stated that residential schools still operated until the 90’s what does that actually mean?

Were they operating in the same function as they did in the early 1900’s?

Or was it simply the same buildings being used as schools?

Or something in the middle?

I just can’t help but feel there is some info or nuance omitted in the “operating until the 90’s” headline.
There's a good history on the UBC Indigenous Foundations website. Schools started to be closed earlier than the 1990s, obviously, but the last closed in 1996 in Saskatchewan. In the 1960s in BC policy switched to the mass removal of Aboriginal children from their families into the child welfare system, in most cases without the consent of their families or bands, known as the Sixties Scoop. In 1951, twenty-nine Aboriginal children were in provincial care in British Columbia; by 1964, that number was 1,466. Aboriginal children, who had comprised only 1 percent of all children in care, came to make up just over 34 percent. Both policies had devastating effects on many aspects of the first nations populations, including their mental health.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2022, 5:55 AM
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Honest question here, when it is stated that residential schools still operated until the 90’s what does that actually mean?

Were they operating in the same function as they did in the early 1900’s?

Or was it simply the same buildings being used as schools?

Or something in the middle?

I just can’t help but feel there is some info or nuance omitted in the “operating until the 90’s” headline.
encourage people to look into the history. If you take a deep or even a shallow dive you get a sense of the damage this caused to a *lot* of indigenous people

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One of the last administrators of the Gordon residential school in SK, who left the school in 1984, had been convicted of "assaulting hundreds of kids" over a forty year period. Charges were brought to him in the 90s which hastened the schools closure in 1996 as the last federally-run school
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encourage people to look into the history. If you take a deep or even a shallow dive you get a sense of the damage this caused to a *lot* of indigenous people
Thank you for sharing your links. I think that it is important to note that this link leads us to the Canadian government website when it was the Canadian government that ran these residential schools . I would also like to encourage users to pursue more than one resource of research, specifically from sources that are independent of the very institution (being the Canadian government) that committed these crimes against humanity in order to get a real perspective from the Indigenous people that suffered from it.

And that is all I will contribute to this off-topic conversation .
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Yet more senseless, stupid graffiti. This needs to be treated with stricter sentences and fines.

Vancouver’s Sun-Yat Sen Classical Chinese Garden hit with graffiti
By Simon Little Global News
Posted January 16, 2022

The operators of Vancouver’s Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese Garden awoke Sunday to find the attraction’s Keefer Street-facing wall marred with a large amount of graffiti.

“Our cultural heritage building and pillar of #YVRChinatown community is once again being under attack,” garden Executive Director Lorraine Lowe tweeted.

“I can’t imagine what damages would incur if it was opened up again.”..

...Sunday’s vandals appeared less concerned with politics than promoting themselves, with the messages appearing to be hastily-scrawled efforts to paint their own names.

By phone, one garden official told Global News the gardens have been dealing with an increase in disorder and harassment on and around the gardens’ property, including people urinating and defecating in the entrance way....


https://globalnews.ca/news/8515564/vanco...ssical-chinese-garden-hit-with-graffiti/
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2022, 7:33 PM
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This happened in NYC, but could easily happen here if we let too many brain-damaged unhinged drug addicts roaming around in the City without forcing them to receive treatment. Remember that the present-day drugs are even more potent than before.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/16/what-we-know-about-times-square-subway-shove-victim-michelle-go/
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Yet more senseless, stupid graffiti. This needs to be treated with stricter sentences and fines.

Vancouver’s Sun-Yat Sen Classical Chinese Garden hit with graffiti
By Simon Little Global News
Posted January 16, 2022

The operators of Vancouver’s Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese Garden awoke Sunday to find the attraction’s Keefer Street-facing wall marred with a large amount of graffiti.

“Our cultural heritage building and pillar of #YVRChinatown community is once again being under attack,” garden Executive Director Lorraine Lowe tweeted.

“I can’t imagine what damages would incur if it was opened up again.”..

...Sunday’s vandals appeared less concerned with politics than promoting themselves, with the messages appearing to be hastily-scrawled efforts to paint their own names.

By phone, one garden official told Global News the gardens have been dealing with an increase in disorder and harassment on and around the gardens’ property, including people urinating and defecating in the entrance way....


https://globalnews.ca/news/8515564/vanco...ssical-chinese-garden-hit-with-graffiti/
Cultureless and shamless individuals at work as usual. Vancouver has lots of a-holes roaming around destroying this city, and as usual City authorities are not doing anything aboout it. 3rd world mentality indeed.

Walked around Gastown last night, and was aghast to see that most retail display windows and doors have ugly grills now to prevent the all-too-common smash-and-grabs. This is the state of decay our City is in now. Gone are the days when we can see clear night displays of goods on sale at shops. Soon this trend will extend to Robson Street and other parts of the city.

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Old Posted Jan 17, 2022, 8:00 PM
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Yeah, something was wrong in a major way, but we're trying to improve on that.

I am still amazed that residential schools were still operating up until the 1990s
Are you implying that most addicts and addict-criminals are residential school victims, and hence indigeneous? I can bet you you're wrong because many of the a-holes and addicts you see around town certainly aren't. Can't bring in Residential schools here to cover everything. There are lots more going on that leads to social decay.
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Are you implying that most addicts and addict-criminals are residential school victims, and hence indigeneous? I can bet you you're wrong because many of the a-holes and addicts you see around town certainly aren't. Can't bring in Residential schools here to cover everything. There are lots more going on that leads to social decay.
I didn't understand Mezzanine to be implying that. Only that it's a contributory factor to explain some of the addicted.

What's your explanation for 39% of Vancouver's homeless being indigenous/Aboriginal, while they make up only 2% of the overall population?
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Yet more senseless, stupid graffiti. This needs to be treated with stricter sentences and fines.

Vancouver’s Sun-Yat Sen Classical Chinese Garden hit with graffiti
By Simon Little Global News
Posted January 16, 2022

The operators of Vancouver’s Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese Garden awoke Sunday to find the attraction’s Keefer Street-facing wall marred with a large amount of graffiti.

“Our cultural heritage building and pillar of #YVRChinatown community is once again being under attack,” garden Executive Director Lorraine Lowe tweeted.

“I can’t imagine what damages would incur if it was opened up again.”..

...Sunday’s vandals appeared less concerned with politics than promoting themselves, with the messages appearing to be hastily-scrawled efforts to paint their own names.

By phone, one garden official told Global News the gardens have been dealing with an increase in disorder and harassment on and around the gardens’ property, including people urinating and defecating in the entrance way....


https://globalnews.ca/news/8515564/vanco...ssical-chinese-garden-hit-with-graffiti/
It's interesting that this and the defacing of the Barge Chilling Park sign again got handled so contrastingly different.

In this case it was openly called out as vandalism, senseless and a problem.
In the case of the sign:

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“Re-introducing local Indigenous names is very much a priority for the Vancouver Board of Parks and Recreation, and we have been in the process of developing a naming policy that reflects these values,” the board said in a statement to Daily Hive.

“It’s clear the community cares about this topic deeply, and so do we.”

“So we’re going to engage our Indigenous partners in dialogue and not replace the altered ‘Barge Chilling Beach’ sign right away.”
Source - https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/barge-chilling-sign-defaced-replace



Like I get you can't shame them because technically it's not incorrect and doing so will absolutely impact your PR department but it's still vandalism. It's not even good looking vandalism like a vinyl wrap or another sign screwed over the sign. It's rattlecanned across it like what you would find anywhere else.
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Are you implying that most addicts and addict-criminals are residential school victims, and hence indigeneous? I can bet you you're wrong because many of the a-holes and addicts you see around town certainly aren't. Can't bring in Residential schools here to cover everything. There are lots more going on that leads to social decay.
To be clear, IMO there are many reasons for public disorder and any action to try to resolve things will not be easy, no matter what anyone says.

But I suppose to answer your last question:

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Of those addicted and end up on the streets today, how many are actually "sexually abused" or had "deep childhood trauma"? An answer to that would be nice. If the percentage is large, then something is really wrong with the family institution in Canada (and the whole of North America), because there are way less visible addicts in other countries and cities outside North America. How does this country turn into one of dysfunctional families then?
IMO A good answer would be "residential schools"
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How convenient when the perp doesn't have to smash a window, they just have to pry back the plywood in place after the last robbery:

Police in Vancouver have arrested and charged a man after an alleged attempted robbery from a luxury downtown retailer.

The 37-year-old was caught shortly after 7 a.m. on Sunday outside the Gucci shop by Thurlow and Alberni Streets.

“Police were patrolling close by and arrived on scene just as the suspect pried back a piece of plywood from a previous break-in,” said Sgt. Steve Addison in a Tuesday news release.

“The thief entered the store and went inside, but when he tried to leave with the stolen merchandise, he was arrested by officers who had surrounded the building.”....


https://globalnews.ca/news/8521142/man-arrested-gucci-vancouver/
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How convenient when the perp doesn't have to smash a window, they just have to pry back the plywood in place after the last robbery:

Police in Vancouver have arrested and charged a man after an alleged attempted robbery from a luxury downtown retailer.

The 37-year-old was caught shortly after 7 a.m. on Sunday outside the Gucci shop by Thurlow and Alberni Streets.

“Police were patrolling close by and arrived on scene just as the suspect pried back a piece of plywood from a previous break-in,” said Sgt. Steve Addison in a Tuesday news release.

“The thief entered the store and went inside, but when he tried to leave with the stolen merchandise, he was arrested by officers who had surrounded the building.”....


https://globalnews.ca/news/8521142/man-arrested-gucci-vancouver/
I hate to laugh, this is more tragic than funny but seriously... breaking in through plywood from a previous break in, is a special type of story.
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I didn't understand Mezzanine to be implying that. Only that it's a contributory factor to explain some of the addicted.

What's your explanation for 39% of Vancouver's homeless being indigenous/Aboriginal, while they make up only 2% of the overall population?
39% isn't 100%, besides, I think Mezzanine does imply that only residential schools contribute to addiction and homelessness.

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But I suppose to answer your last question:

IMO A good answer would be "residential schools"
As for you to bring in the stats showing the percentage of homeless Aboriginals, that seems moot. Remember we are talking about homeless addicts and those really screwed up in the head: people who are contributing to Vancouver's street problems. Like I said before, most of the downtown and DTES street criminals I have seen in the news are not even indigenous folks.

Here's one more example:
Video shows unsolved stranger attack on New Year's Eve in Vancouver
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video-shows-unsolved-stranger-attack-on-new-year-s-eve-in-vancouver-1.5746299

This guy must be crazed from substance abuse. We are seeing this way too often these days. I'm sure this scum of the society isn't a product of "residential schools", is he?

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Re-posting this for all to see:

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I'm sure there are way more un-reported attacks and disorderly acts going unreported around this city, but rest assured we will hear a lot more in the future. These bastards need a good whacking.
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As for you to bring in the stats showing the percentage of homeless Aboriginals, that seems moot. Remember we are talking about homeless addicts and those really screwed up in the head: people who are contributing to Vancouver's street problems. Like I said before, most of the downtown and DTES street criminals I have seen in the news are not even indigenous folks.

Here's one more example:
Video shows unsolved stranger attack on New Year's Eve in Vancouver
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video-shows-unsolved-stranger-attack-on-new-year-s-eve-in-vancouver-1.5746299

This guy must be crazed from substance abuse. We are seeing this way too often these days. I'm sure this scum of the society isn't a product of "residential schools", is he?
Of the 39% homeless who are indigenous, a significant proportion do suffer from mental health issues, and a significant proportion are addicted. So they will be some of the 'DTES street criminals' you identify. Many more of that group aren't homeless - they're housed, but spend much of their life on the streets. They too have a significant proportion with mental health issues and/or addicted. The legacy of Residential Schools and enforced foster care are significant factors in the levels of abuse experienced by people who attended those institutions, and their children (as many of their their parents had no experience of positive parenting to emulate).

Finding one example of someone carrying out a random attack who isn't indigenous doesn't make your point. Nobody said 100% of street crime is carried out by indigenous people. (Or by people from the DTES - although you seem to think that's the case). Indeed, unless there are images, like this, you wouldn't even be able to tell if they were indigenous, as these days press reports generally don't draw attention to that aspect of people involved in crime, unless it's because the police are actively seeking someone for who that detail is important.

I don't know if the attacker you identified is 'crazed from substance abuse'. He could be suffering from a psychosis, which may be drug-related or may be from schizophrenia or some other brain illness or injury. Obviously some people who act like this are on drugs - but not all of them. That's why VPD have a dedicated mental health car (Car 87) to deal with situations like this - although it isn't always deployed when it's needed.

He might also have been drunk. That was apparently the case with the man acting violently who was shot and killed by the VPD last year. His was one of four 'police involved deaths' last year. (The pictures of him suggested he might be indigenous - but he was apparently Filipino - see comment below).
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He might also have been drunk. That was apparently the case with the man acting violently who was shot and killed by the VPD last year. His was one of four 'police involved deaths' last year. (The pictures of him show he was indigenous).
I believe he was Filipino actually. There were some articles interviewing people who knew him after.
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I believe he was Filipino actually. There were some articles interviewing people who knew him after.
Thanks. I hadn't seen those; only the posters with his picture. I guess it confirms that the background of people acting violently isn't identified in press reports.
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Police are investigating a string of stabbings that left four people injured in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside on Wednesday, and trying to determine whether the attacks are connected.

Three of the victims were stabbed in the face or head.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/4-injured-in-strin...XFfqOFoxj21JtqBXa2mFqFfq3kyyHOr6lihhLI0c

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