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I own a BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle) 7 21.88%
I own a PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I own an HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I'm considering a BEV (Tesla, LEAF, Bolt, etc.) 6 18.75%
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I'm considering a HEV (Prius, etc.) 3 9.38%
I would only buy a non-electric gas or diesel car 3 9.38%
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Why would you not just use the fast charger?
Exactly. They plan to have CCS, CHAdeMO and Tesla connectors.
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Exactly. They plan to have CCS, CHAdeMO and Tesla connectors.
I didn't realize there will be a Tesla connector, do I need to buy an adapter for it or is it like a SC end? I assumed it would be CHAdeMO and CCS. I won't buy the former and the latter isn't yet available for my car (but my latest update apparently will allow my car to use it.)

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I didn't realize there will be a Tesla connector, do I need to buy an adapter for it or is it like a SC end? I assumed it would be CHAdeMO and CCS. I won't buy the former and the latter isn't yet available for my car (but my latest update apparently will allow my car to use it.)
From Ivy's media release (provided in post #768):
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Each of Ivy's Charge & Go level 3 fast-chargers at ONroute locations will support the charging of all current models of electric vehicles including charging ports for Tesla drivers.
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What isn't clear is if they will be providing a Tesla adapter or if they will have a third charging cable on the charger.

There are some speculation that Tesla will change their cars to use CCS type 1 in North America (they already use CCS type 2 in Europe). This would make sense, as I suspect a large reason why the charging curve drops off so quickly is to prevent the connector from overheating (the cable is liquid cooled, but the connector isn't). My guess is Superchargers have a temperature sensor in the connector, and if it gets too hot, the power is throttled. If I had to guess, the Cybertruck will be the first to use CCS type 1.
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I think Tesla will install dual charging ports at some point. Their charging network is so huge, that equipping any new model with CCS exclusively would hurt them. It was legislation that forced their hands in Europe. And the US doesn't seem to have the gumption to force the same on this side of the pond.
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OnRoute IvyCharge will be equipping chademo adapter(s), this will mean a 50kw fast charge will be available to Tesla Owner(s).

It will be useful to some Tesla owners in emergencies and probably will be likely used by Teslas at Mallorytown.
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OnRoute IvyCharge will be equipping chademo adapter(s), this will mean a 50kw fast charge will be available to Tesla Owner(s).

It will be useful to some Tesla owners in emergencies and probably will be likely used by Teslas at Mallorytown.
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OnRoute IvyCharge will be equipping chademo adapter(s), this will mean a 50kw fast charge will be available to Tesla Owner(s).
Do you have a reference for this? From what I have read, Tesla is replacing their CHAdeMO Adapter with a CCS adapter.
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Do you have a reference for this? From what I have read, Tesla is replacing their CHAdeMO Adapter with a CCS adapter.
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/onroutes-new-ivy-ev-chargers-will-feature-built-in-tesla-adapters/

And the chademo and CCS adapter is a bit odd.

Majority of Teslas manufactured before June 2020 will need a retrofit for the CCS adapter.

And apparently, the ChaDeMo adapter currently doesn't work on 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range or Plaid.

With the current supply chain issues, it will be a few years before CCS becomes the dominant port for Tesla.
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I hope their chargers are reliable and not down all the time like Electrify' s
Also based on many YouTube vids I've seen, those Electrify (and Others) very rarely deliver the charging speeds they claim, so many videos I've seen with people locked at 50kw max.
I never had any issues with Tesla, apart from occasional overcrowding in Kingston
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Curbside EV chargers are popping up now (but not completed).

Has been spotted at:
- Primrose and Rochester
- Bayswater and Wellington St W
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Curbside EV chargers are popping up now (but not completed).

Has been spotted at:
- Primrose and Rochester
- Bayswater and Wellington St W
Good to see some progress on this. I have said it before, but I feel these On-street EV charging stations should be the city's highest priority for EV charging.

I just noticed that the city is taking suggestions for locations where EV charging stations should be installed. The map shows:
  • Existing "city" charging stations (Green pins)
  • Proposed On-street EV charging stations (Pink pins)
  • People's suggestions for new EV charging stations(Blue pins)

https://engage.ottawa.ca/charging-stations/maps/electric-vehicle-charging-station-locations
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Not sure how many (if any) of Killam's properties in Ottawa will get charging stations, but still an interesting read.

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Enel X provides 438 Level 2 EV chargers to 50 Killam multi-unit residential buildings across Canada


Enel X has made the charging experience a little bit easier with the installation of 438 charging stations in multi-unit residential buildings (MURBs) across Canada. Photo: Enel X

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Apartment charging for EVs just got a little easier with a notable deal between Enel X, an Italian smart energy solution provider, and Halifax-headquartered property landlords, Killam

A new electric vehicle charger deal between a national multi-unit residential building (MURB) landlord and an international energy management company, with funding from Natural Resources Canada, is bringing 438 Level 2 chargers to 50 apartment buildings across Canada.

Killam Apartment REIT is a Halifax-based property manager, while Enel X is an international energy company with branches in North America that makes JuiceBox EV chargers. The deal with Killam, which received over $730,000 in government funding, brings the total funding to $1.4 million, solidifying Enel X’s presence in Canada.

“Over the last few months we have grown our presence in Canada,” says Giovanni Bertolino, head of e-mobility at Enel X in an interview with Electric Autonomy Canada. “This is one of the largest single opportunities that we’ve had in Canada, so far, and it’s particularly important because it is multi-unit dwellings.”

Enel X’s 9.6 kW speed charging (Level 2 chargers) are being installed in existing Killam apartment buildings in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia with 150, 48, 168, 46 and 28 chargers going to buildings in each province, respectively. The JuiceBoxes were delivered this past summer, says Bertolino, and many have been put into operation already with the rest of the lot to be fully online by mid-summer 2022.

“As part of our ESG commitments, we invest in technology that will lower our carbon footprint while also providing value across our portfolio. By optimizing energy costs and bringing value to our residents, this is exactly what these Enel X smart chargers allow us to do,” said Andrew Kent, developments director, Killam Apartment Reit in a press release.

A growing need for MURB charging

The 2016 Canadian census showed that at least 33 per cent of Canadian dwellings are multi-unit residential buildings. Since then that number is projected to have increased.

Apartment-dwelling Canadians from coast-to-coast are struggling to navigate the choppy waters of negotiating EV charging into MURBs, which makes an announcement like the Killam-Enel X deal even more meaningful.

“We are bringing our products and our solutions to support that acceleration of EV adoption,” says Bertolino. “With our solutions, Killam will be able to provide access to chargers to their tenants (and guests of their tenants) in those buildings. And in future the software is ready for more advanced, smart charging implementations that we already have in the United States and, hopefully, will become a reality soon in Canada.”

Enel X’s more sophisticated energy management plans are seen to best advantage in California where, up and down the state, Enel X is managing or “leveraging”, says Bertolino, EVs and their charging cycles to bring the most benefit to the grid and customers.

These benefits include managing grid load to offset charging to off-peak hours, measuring how much energy is being generated from sustainable sources and ensuring EVs are charging off the cleanest energy possible and, particularly in condo, apartment buildings and multi-unit residential buildings, multiple EVs can be aggregated to form virtual power plants.

Bundling EVs to be active grid players

It’s in this final option that Bertolino sees the most benefit for EV drivers that are using Enel X’s JuiceBox chargers.

“We offer a reward program called JuicePoints. Through this program drivers are giving us the ability to curtail their load at times of pickup, while still making sure that the car is charged at times when they want to leave,” explains Bertolino.

“Our algorithm defines what flexibility that single charger allows, then we aggregate all these charges across all of California and we know that we have a certain amount of dispatchable load that we can schedule on the demand response market. The revenues that we get from participating in the demand response market we use to fund the rewards for customers so that they get a monetary benefit for giving us access to that flexibility.”

Enel X is one of several players interested in exploring the possibilities of an aggregated virtual power plant in Canada, but so far, regulatory hurdles are preventing more than pre-approved pilot programs to run. But that’s not to say it will always be the case. Enel X is building Canadian potential into their business plans and step one of the journey is to do many more MURB charging partnerships.

“Canada is a very appealing and growing market for us. I think all the policies that are coming through from the federal government down to the different provinces is going to help a lot in EV adoption,” says Bertolino. “I think it’s very exciting for us. We’re looking more and more towards commercial and also bringing DC fast charging to Canada.”
https://electricautonomy.ca/2021/12/16/enel-x-killam-ev-chargers/
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I wonder how this works with Tesla, since they already have scheduled off peak charging and departure scheduling
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I wonder how this works with Tesla, since they already have scheduled off peak charging and departure scheduling
Presumably Tesla disables that feature when plugged into a pubic (or smart private) charging station, as it really only makes sense for the vehicle to do this when using a dumb charging station.
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Presumably Tesla disables that feature when plugged into a pubic (or smart private) charging station, as it really only makes sense for the vehicle to do this when using a dumb charging station.
It doesn't.

Basically, the plugs in the building will adjust current (5-40 amps) available for the Tesla to accept.

The charging station will have their own charging software algorithm and the Tesla (if enabled) will have their own too. It's up to the Tesla owner to disable the scheduled charging/scheduled departure features to meet their needs.
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No no no... Roger is right, the charging profile on a Tesla is based on the location (or perhaps the EVSA's ID not really sure but..). I have 2 EVSAs, one at home (scheduled charging ) and at the cottage (not scheduled). If I plug into a public charger there is no scheduled charging (unless I guess I program it for that location). All of this is controlled by the software in the car, not the charger

My point was simply that many of the features that they claim in this EVSA are actually standard in a Tesla. You don't need Smart chargers, you need smart cars. You could program all this stuff in cars
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No no no... Roger is right, the charging profile on a Tesla is based on the location (or perhaps the EVSA's ID not really sure but..). I have 2 EVSAs, one at home (scheduled charging ) and at the cottage (not scheduled). If I plug into a public charger there is no scheduled charging (unless I guess I program it for that location). All of this is controlled by the software in the car, not the charger

My point was simply that many of the features that they claim in this EVSA are actually standard in a Tesla. You don't need Smart chargers, you need smart cars. You could program all this stuff in cars
Letting the car do it is fine when you have a fixed schedule for your electricity rates. However, as utilities introduce demand response programs which give you special discounts (or other benefits) for letting them control your charging rate to match the instantaneous demand on the grid, it is better to let the charging station (fixed EVSA) make the adjustments as it can be programmed to know exactly what the arrangement that location has with the utility.

This is exactly what Enel X is currently doing in California and hopes to do here in Canada.
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I stumbled across this new product from a Quebec company called EVduty (the EV charging identity of Elmec). Their Smart Current Sensor will measure the current drawn by your breaker panel (using CT clamps) and will use that to control the maximum current one or more of their EVC30 charging stations to ensure you won't overload your panel. This would be a lot cheaper than upgrading your electrical service.



Their website also describes another configuration, for multi-dwellings.
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I don't know why that has to be comms dependent. I'd be worried about losing a signal and overloading the panel.
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I don't know why that has to be comms dependent. I'd be worried about losing a signal and overloading the panel.
While I agree that I would rather see it use a more robust communication protocol than Ethernet, I would expect that there would be some type of failsafe mode. One option would be that if the charging station can't communicate with the current sensing unit, the current limit would be set to a value deemed safe by the installer (possibly 0A). I can't imagine it would get safety approval without this potential issue being addressed.
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