What midwestern city seems most “urban” to you (except Chicago)?

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by pj3000

^ you’re reading from a different page of music.

And from the perspective of people like goat and I, you ain't even reading any music at all, just jumbled dissonance.

This is the point where most intelligent people agree to disagree and move on, as there is nothing even remotely close to an objective take on the issue, just opinions, impressions, perspectives, personal experiences, and million other 100% subjective lenses to look at the situation through.